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Re: Reputation

Ted ·
Hi Glitchtooth- Don't worry too much about our reputation score during the alpha stage. Everyone will have a fairly low score at this point, because many of the factors that go into the score are not yet activated (like, everything related to content, since no content is public yet). We're also going to be making some tweaks to the reputation formulas/system later this month, as well, which I mentioned here: https://community.narrative.or...ts-coming-next-month Hope this helps!
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Re: Reputation

Emily Barnett ·
hi @glitchtooth , welcome to Narrative! And way to jump in!! Yes that is how we all start, initially at 0. The more you engage in Alpha, the quicker you will see your reputation rise. As of now we don't exactly know what gets rep calculated and what doesn't. But a pretty safe assumption, is to make suggestions for niches, frequently vote every day, and try to make thoughtful comments. Although the community page doesn't calculate your rep score, I think it helps towards your overall real...
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Re: How long do reputation dings last for?

David Dreezer ·
There are no permanent reputation dings, as you put it. Or even super semi permanent. There is nothing that caps your reputation either, especially having been certified. You're not stuck. Keep doing what you're doing. And it's not like a 93 is a bad rep score, Christina.
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Re: How long do reputation dings last for?

Christina Gleason ·
Thank you for clarifying! I know 93 isn't BAD, but I also know I want to get to the 30% high rep bonus, not just the 20% high rep bonus!
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Measuring Reputation in Narrative

Ted ·
We just published this blog post with information about how reputation will be determined: https://blog.narrative.network/measuring-reputation-in-narrative-e43c2b0e9fd2 Enjoy!
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Reputation Adjustments Coming Next Month

Ted ·
Hey everyone- There is currently a bug in our reputation system that is improperly rewarding/demeriting some actions. Basically, we accidentally reversed a couple of things so that in some cases negative actions are increasing someone's reputation and, conversely, positive actions are hurting someone's reputation. That's not good. This is not impacting everyone, because it is only a certain part of the reputation formula that is working improperly, but it's obviously a pretty major bug. Of...
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Reputation

glitchtooth ·
Hi folks, I'm new here. I nominated and later purchased the python niche. I have done some voting on niches and surfed around. My reputation is a 3. Is that to be expected since verification and other functions are under construction, or am I missing out on how to better participate in the nascent stages? Thanks.
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How are weights on niche approvals calculated?

Vico Biscotti ·
I see that my vote on niches weights 0.68, while I'm rep 85. Other users have the same weight as the rep (eg 0.98 with rep 98). Other users have a weight way lower than rep (eg 0.13 with rep 63). I don't see coherence in those weights. Which is the logic behind?
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How long do reputation dings last for?

Christina Gleason ·
Since we don't know what the reputation formula actually is, I can only guess at why my reputation has been completely stuck at 93, and my leading theory is that a few things have counted against me in a way that they act as semi-permanent loss of rep points. I was hoping we could get an answer regarding how long such things count against us. My list of transgressions, as it were, include not paying for an auction on time - something that would not have happened with the new price-lock when...
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More transparency on the reasons that led to conduct negative.

Vico Biscotti ·
When a member becomes conduct negative, currently his or her reputation just displays "This member is being penalized for certain actions they have taken." More detail can be retrieved in the activity but with two limitations: The item usually does not display a specific reason (AUP violation, for example, is vague and does not give the idea of the severity of the violation - nor the duration of the penalty - at the time). Over time, the activity log is easily cleared, especially if the...
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Re: Measuring Reputation in Narrative

Malkazoid ·
Great to see this. The basics seem sound! One thought: it may turn out to be advantageous to give more importance to KYC, not necessarily as a factor, but as a binary condition for things like voting and perhaps more. To know that only real people vote on Narrative seems like a very valuable insurance of fairness, quality and a great marketing slogan all in one. The game theory of it should be sound too: not only is there the 20 point incentive to do KYC, but if KYC is required for voting,...
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Re: Measuring Reputation in Narrative

Michael ·
This is pretty fair, and I agree that the reputation quantum will probably evolve with the platform. I'm a supporter of the Electronic Freedom Foundation, as well as various other groups that may expose some of what happens inside of dictatorships, political parties, and violent or corrupt movements. For anyone that has followed middle-eastern media or Asia in the last 10 years, being exposed publicly for so much as criticizing a religion or a regime can be a matter of life and death, but in...
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Re: Measuring Reputation in Narrative

Banter ·
This is my general concern with KYC. Now that everything a Narrator does is logged...I would certainly think twice before signing up for KYC...one errant 'like' could get you targeted. It's not just in some of these more oppressive countries either....the social media mobbing that is happening right now in places like the US and UK is insane.....you 'like' Chic-fil-a publicly, let alone during national gay pride month?? (see Twitter and Jack Dorsey controversy) ....prepare for the...
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Re: Measuring Reputation in Narrative

Malkazoid ·
KYC is not designed to reveal your identity to users - it allows the platform to verify you are a real person, but that information does not need to be displayed publicly and it usually isn't. I would be very surprised if Narrative intends to reveal people's real names once they have KYC-ed. They certainly have not done it so far in the Alpha.
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Re: Measuring Reputation in Narrative

Banter ·
I stand corrected....You are right...the only way to reveal your identity would be a 'hack' of the Narrative platform...or the user having a revealing handle / profile pic / outing themselves in comments / content. I guess I should have chosen a non-descript profile pic to start with...haha
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Re: Measuring Reputation in Narrative

twitch.tv/billybonus ·
How KYC information is stored? Could there be leak someday and all KYC information is all over internet? This has happened to many ICO KYCs even if they claimed to have good security storing the information.
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Re: Measuring Reputation in Narrative

Ted ·
@twitch.tv/billybonus Good question-- We will include that info in the revised TOS that is finalized when the Beta is released (and we still have not finalized how the KYC process will work). Needless to say though our plan will be to minimize any retention of data once the KYC verification has been completed.
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Re: Measuring Reputation in Narrative

Ted ·
@Banter - As stated above, KYC will not reveal your identity to others. However, your underlying concern (having people take out pitchforks because of your "likes") will also be handled. Members will have the option of hiding their specific likes/dislikes. This will be an optional profile setting- to "hide my likes". When enabled, other members can see that you liked/disliked something, but not the actual details. This is important to prevent like/dislike shaming. All members should feel...
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Re: Measuring Reputation in Narrative

Malkazoid ·
Fantastic: not sure I've seen this functionality anywhere else and I think it gives Narrative a bit of an edge. It is the kind of touch that users who discover the platform will seize upon to have a "I like this place" moment: why didn't other platforms let me do this?
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Re: Measuring Reputation in Narrative

Banter ·
That sounds great...this sparked a few follow up questions: Will this setting that hides likes just be used at the time of the 'like' to store the hidden nature along with the like itself? Or...will the setting just be a global switch...meaning it is all or nothing...i can't have specific likes hidden in the past, if I want them visible now? @Rosemary , had mentioned previously the idea of a pseudonym. Will users be able to use this to obscure their identity when commenting (obviously their...
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Re: Measuring Reputation in Narrative

Malkazoid ·
Good question. I had assumed they meant you could hide specific likes as required... I hope that's the case, otherwise not very useful. For this use case, I imagine it might be confusing to use pseudonyms... It might be simply be better to tag such comments as 'Anonymous'? Agreed - whatever it ends up being, if it is a global switch, it would not be so useful. I was thinking the same thing. The one thing I'm wary of though is of making it too easy to post anonymously. If the option is...
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Re: Measuring Reputation in Narrative

Banter ·
I can certainly understand not making it default....I'm not sure about the hiding...maybe hide it behind a little 'options' button / link in the comment construction area. The nice thing about this approach is that people can't use the 'Anonymity' to act badly, since their underlying reputation will still take the hit. This provides the best of both worlds....anonymity when a user wants...without any of the downsides of toxic anonymity that Narrative has aimed at preventing.
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Re: Reputation Adjustments Coming Next Month

Emily Barnett ·
Thanks for the update @Ted!
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Re: Reputation Adjustments Coming Next Month

glitchtooth ·
thanks much. i suspected as much, but confirmation is nice.
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Re: Reputation Adjustments Coming Next Month

Ivan Rygaev ·
I have a question about reputation. Why does a new user start with low (zero) reputation? Shouldn't they start with medium/neutral reputation instead? And then it can go up or down based on the activity. I know in the alpha version no low reputation restrictions are enforced. But once they are enforced how a new user could even gain any reputation if they cannot do anything because of low rep restrictions?
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Re: Reputation Adjustments Coming Next Month

Christina Gleason ·
That's something I know I hadn't thought of, Ivan. That's a good question. Although I do know that verifying that you're a real person gives a not-insignificant amount of reputation in and of itself, which is one reason why we've all got low rep right now since we can't do that part yet. It would make a lot more sense to start people out at the threshold for "low rep" where they'd only dip underneath if they accrued negative rep points. But we just don't know enough about how the rep system...
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Re: How are weights on niche approvals calculated?

David Dreezer ·
Hi Vico, Weighting for voting is displayed in this chart. https://spec.narrative.org/doc...g-and-voting-formula The example shown below it will also help make it more clear.
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Re: How are weights on niche approvals calculated?

Vico Biscotti ·
I missed that. My bad. Thanks, @David Dreezer !
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Re: More transparency on the reasons that led to conduct negative.

Christina Gleason ·
Yes. I'd view someone who was conduct negative for posting in a foreign language in a completely different light than someone who was conduct negative for threats and incitement of violation, or someone who was a serial plagiarist. Newspapers post a police blotter. Since these aren't just mere annoyances, but violations of the AUP, the rest of the community deserves to know why any given member is conduct negative.
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Re: More transparency on the reasons that led to conduct negative.

Malkazoid ·
I completely agree, @Vico Biscotti , @Christina Gleason . @Brian Lenz - I know your dance card is full until 2030, but if this could be implemented in time for elections, it would be an important step towards fair elections. I think people have the right to know what kind of negative behaviour a Narrator has had, before they elect her to be a moderator on a niche. Makes sense, right?
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Re: More transparency on the reasons that led to conduct negative.

Malkazoid ·
There is another factor that is becoming apparent. If a reason is not made visible during AUP violation remediation, it can lead to people misunderstanding what happened, and potentially feeling persecuted. I can see this happening already as a result of one of the recent AUP violations. https://www.narrative.org/post...42#57333869940477642 People in that thread seem to have formed the notion, or more likely, they were given the notion by the person who has been made conduct negative, that...
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Re: More transparency on the reasons that led to conduct negative.

Paladin ·
Yes, transparency please!
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Re: More transparency on the reasons that led to conduct negative.

David Dreezer ·
Crosslinking these suggestions as they are relative to each other: https://community.narrative.org/support/topic/add-an-explicit-reason-to-a-person-s-record-when-they-are-place-on-conduct-negative-status Also, bear in mind that in the spec is the Review Queue, which once built, would make all of these complaints, activities, votes, and subsequent removals completely public
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Reputation is Live!

MOLLY O ·
Today, we introduced Reputation scores in the Narrative Alpha. Reputation is the key to ensuring a quality experience on Narrative. By correlating reputation with actions, the influence anyone has in the network is always dependent on the established reputation that each has earned. Through this system, ratings and votes are always weighted by the reputation of each participant. We can’t give away all the "secret sauce" but if you want to learn more about how and why reputation is computed...
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Reputation Score Bug Identified (and Fixed Soon)

Ted ·
Hi everyone- You may have thought it strange that no one seems to have a reputation score greater than 69 currently. Well, we wondered why too, and identified a bug in our code that was suppressing scores. This bug affects everyone, but because it only has to do with one part of the reputation formula, some are impacted more than others. So, that is the bad news. The good news is that we have already fixed the issue (in our development environment) and plan to roll it out to everyone when we...
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decrease the percentage of reputation allocated to certification

Gosia Rokicka ·
This is going to be an unpopular subject, I suspect (with the only Narrator who would probably upvote it not present on the community forum as it seems...) - but anyway, this is what I think. It seems that it is not true that reputation can never be bought, can only be earned. As far as I can see it, you can buy A THIRD of it for 15 USD. A third makes a lot of difference and how is it fair that users get it merely for proving they're unique human beings, without any consideration for the...
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Re: decrease the percentage of reputation allocated to certification

Colleen Ryer ·
I'm wondering if certification by vote could be maintained fairly, especially once the platform is in full swing. There would have to be a lot of checks and balances. A couple of ideas I think might be easier - apologies if they've already been suggested - A probation period - can't certify until a certain rep level is hit (if fee remains). or Once certified, rep has to be maintained to a standard for a set time, or certification is revoked (if free). Member can reapply, but not until rep...
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Re: decrease the percentage of reputation allocated to certification

BloggerKrunal ·
Adding on this, we can also go in this way. User should have to reach upto 50 score (medium reputation) by creating or curating the contents and only then he/she will be allowed to certify for free. Or else they have to pay the usual fees like we have currently. So this might can push them to work hard on their contents to earn their certification for free. A win win for all by such increased activities. But yes we need to place some policies here (like posting limits ) so users don't spam...
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Re: Reputation is Live!

chrisabdey ·
Oh my... I got a score of 12....
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Re: Reputation is Live!

David Dreezer ·
Just remember, Chris, that there are only limited ways to earn rep right now, so we are all going to be low until more ways are added.
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Re: Reputation is Live!

Malkazoid ·
The only way is up my friend!
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A Guide to Maintaining Reputation on Narrative : aka death of Simple Rep

Emily Barnett ·
I have been active in Narrative's Alpha since March 29, 2018. When I say active, I mean extremely active. There have been some lapses, I have had times of huge work expectations during the summer, and the passing of my father, but still I checked in at least once a week and did my voting. I gave frequent and constructive comments. I articulated well constructed niche suggestions, I have purchased 5 niches for which I have paid for within 1 or 2 days of winning. And I make appeals to the...
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Re: A Guide to Maintaining Reputation on Narrative : aka death of Simple Rep

Robert Nicholson ·
@Emily Barnett I agree that the current system creates disincentives for participation. It's very hard to create a system that is transparent, balanced, and fair, but in my experience, the more complex the system, the less likely it is to operate as intended. Personally, I think "reputation" should be exactly that... quality feedback on your content and comments. Also, IMO, a system that includes buying reputation has no credibility or integrity. Unless Certification is free, it should play...
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Re: A Guide to Maintaining Reputation on Narrative : aka death of Simple Rep

Banter ·
Here is my take on the situation. I completely agree with the new approach of having a conduct score. You are either in the penalty box, or you are an upstanding member of the Narrative Community. We need a way to incentivize beneficial behavior like 'voting, suggesting Niches, commenting, etc', over being neutral and not participating at all. I do like @Malkazoid 's idea of giving the actions a longer decay, since they are ultimately positive toward the community, but perhaps there is a...
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Re: A Guide to Maintaining Reputation on Narrative : aka death of Simple Rep

Malkazoid ·
Hey @Banter Good to reference the Electorate here - which will serve several purposes, and I agree the sooner it comes, the better. But the Electorate doesn't completely address the incentivising of voting, commenting and niche suggesting because it requires staking of NRVE. All those who have an NRVE balance below the first tier of the Electorate won't be affected by it. That's going to be a lot of people, probably the majority of people, and at the outset, almost everyone. I don't think...
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Re: A Guide to Maintaining Reputation on Narrative : aka death of Simple Rep

Malkazoid ·
Hello Robert - Your views are an important reflection of how all of this is being received. Personally, I would invite people to look at certification as you would having a passport. You have to pay to have a passport issued to you - worse yet, you have to pay to get it renewed and it isn't cheap. Many multiples of the cost of certification. Passports play a similar role. They allow you the freedom to do things that you could not do without them. They allow governments to know who they admit...
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Re: A Guide to Maintaining Reputation on Narrative : aka death of Simple Rep

Robert Nicholson ·
I strongly disagree with the certification fee. I think it's another example of Narrative being tone-deaf to the perception that this is a scam site. But in this case, that was not my point. I was responding to @Emily Barnett 's thread about the changes in the reputation system. If Narrative is going to charge for certification, then it should NOT be a component of reputation. Otherwise, Narrative is clearly and explicitly saying that reputation is bought . And that to me completely...
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Re: A Guide to Maintaining Reputation on Narrative : aka death of Simple Rep

Emily Barnett ·
I tend to agree...sort of. I mean I understand that it is a service fee and not something that Narrative is collecting. But the fact remains, some people will not be able to come up with the money to pay this fee out of pocket so it comes off being the same as "buying reputation". And does ultimately corrupt the reputation. Regarding this division of my point that the new system does not account for a persons long term activity to offset "negative quality". (btw I will not believe that i...
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Re: A Guide to Maintaining Reputation on Narrative : aka death of Simple Rep

Brian Lenz ·
Thanks for the feedback @Robert Nicholson ! I totally understand your perception, so I wanted to explain why "buying your reputation" is really a misnomer; let me unpack and explain why it's not the case. While Certification is 30% of the score, we have weighted the influence of your Reputation score with this in mind. I think this scale is a critical piece that I think may be overlooked here. Have a look at the Reputation-adjustment for voting and rating:...
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YOUR REPUTATION GOING UP : ) OR NOT : (

Harj ·
A important part of your experience on Narrative is your Reputation. Your have a Reputation Score that is based on all of the actions taken by you a bit like in The good place (On netflix!! love it). : ) remember Eleanor Shellstrop! Anyway all content is rated based on your opinions, your reputation always influences Content Ratings. And how your content is rated impacts your reputation. (Still with me ?) This way your reputation reflects the actions you make, as well as how others perceive...
 
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