Tagged With "tribunal"

Topic

NICHESQUATTING

mrgoodsett ·
How about nichesquatting? like cybersquatting. I think I just COINED my first phrase!!! If NICHESQUATTING ends up on WIKIPEDIA I will gladly take credit for it...lol. Is it a possibility with the less popular niches?
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Censorship

Eduardo Hernández ·
I was reading a different post, and got a bit doubtful about this particular line that described the Personal Journals: " Personal Journals may be suspended by the Tribunal for any reason. (And note that users may report Personal Journal content to the Tribunal.) " So, let me get this straight: if somebody stumbles upon my PERSONAL content and, for any reason, decides to report it, I will be kicked out or suspended from Narrative? In the words of my beloved Charles Bukowski, "What the...
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Rebuttal to appealed Niche

mrgoodsett ·
Is there any way to submit a rebuttal to a Niche idea which has been appealed by another Narrative member? The Niche is under review by the Tribunal currently.
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Does a Tribunal overruling on a Niche impact reputation?

Dana ·
In cases where the community votes incorrectly, it seems in my best interests to simply go with the flow and vote for 'the winning team' rather than vote correctly and take a reputation hit. I get the feeling that this 'gaming' the voting system is happening-- maybe not always maliciously, but to save time and boost rep. So my question using a real example: the Niche Homeopathic Treatment looks set to be accepted by the community at 12 (for)- 2 (against). Even if the remaining 8 votes go...
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Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Hello, @MOLLY O recently posted an excellent blog post regarding how to suggest viable niches. A quote from this article: I recently submitted an appeal to the Tribunal regarding this niche: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/shopping The description of the niche is clearly mismatched: "all article related to shopping online" The problem exhibited by the description mismatch for the Shopping niche is exactly the type of problem warned against in Molly's article, and yet...
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Change in Policy: Refunds for Rejected Niche Owners

Ted ·
We've a had a couple of instances of a purchased niches being rejected by the Tribunal. The niche owners purchased the niches after they were approved by the community, so it is not fair to penalize them after it is later determined that the niche should not have been approved. Thus, we are changing our policy regarding refunds of niche ownership fees. If a niche is rejected by the Tribunal (for any reason), the niche owner will be entitled to a pro rate refund covering the canceled period.
Issue

Bug in tribunal display for completed ICOs review

Malkazoid ·
Hello, The new alpha rocks! So this is the first little glitch I've seen: if you go to the tribunal page, then click to display the 'Completed' appeals, you'll see the ICOs appeal listed. The ICOs niche was rejected by the tribunal as a clear duplicate of the existing ICO niche. Yet the phrase: "Voting has ended. 0% of the Tribunal voted to reject the Niche." ... appears beneath this listing on the completed appeals page. It looks like it is just a logical error in the phrasing, and probably...
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How to appeal an approved niche that probably shouldn't have been approved?

Malkazoid ·
Hello! I think I've been able to do this in the past, but I cannot see any way to do that right now. If it is possible, can someone point me in the right direction? And if it isn't possible, why not? Thanks!
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Street Style Portrait Photography

Emily Barnett ·
@Ted I am addressing your tribunal comment here, because I cannot on the platform. This niche is a "made up" photography term, it isn't a thing. That is why i am saying it is inaccurate. The very nature of what street photography is, contradicts this description. Your comment seems to be talking about redundancy. Which is not my grounds for appeal. Wiki "Portrait photography or portraiture in photography is a photograph of a person or group of people that captures the...
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Conflicts of interest

Malkazoid ·
Hello Fellow Narrators, I'd like to hear everyone's views on how we should deal with cases in which there are conflicts of interest between Tribunal members and decisions they have to make about appeals concerning niches they are connected to (either through ownership or moderation positions). It seems obvious that they should never find themselves making decisions on these appeals, but the question is: how do we then deal with these situations? In some cases, this might even rule out more...
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Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Garden Gnome Publications ·
So I just received my first Niche suggestion rejection . It was a great learning experience. There's just one problem: I can't suggest any more Niches for 7 days. Really? I'm not angry. I'm not upset. I'm a little disappointed. But I'm mostly befuzzled. This is Alpha stage, the stage where you want to prove yourself to potential users. Like a first date. You put on your lipstick and eye shadow, squirt a little sweet-smelling sneeze spray on the left and right sides of your neck, just under...
Suggestion

Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Ted ·
Originally suggested here: https://community.narrative.or...moderation-final-say The idea is that if a niche moderator rejects your content that you can appeal to the Tribunal to reverse the decision. One potential downside is that, if used frequently, the workload of the Tribunal could really increase. We might want to have some limitation as to the number of times any member could appeal a niche content rejection. We'd also want to make sure that the Tribunal decision was final... so that...
Conversation

GGB niche

Gaia Glee ·
Hello darlings, especially @Garden Gnome Publications, I was notified about a niche I was following that had been appealed to the Tribunal. Having voted for it, I went to see what all the fuss was about, as it remained approved by the Tribunal. As such, I decided to take preventative measures and bid on the niche myself. If I win, I shall rename it Girls Gone Crypto and adjust the description as necessary to keep things ethical. That should solve most concerns about the Reddit version and...
Issue

You can only appeal one niche per 24 hour period to the Tribunal - problematic

Christina Gleason ·
I'm currently going through every. single. page. of niches up for auction to suggest niches for people to buy that I have content already written for, and I'm noticing a lot of redundant niches got approved in the early days. I appealed one instance, but I could appeal at least 4 more right now. I'm not going to be going to back through all of these pages again tomorrow or any time soon, so I'm not going to remember all of these that should be appealed. (Off the top of my head, Activism,...
Question

Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
...or is there any way for us to make suggestions for changes to the Tribunal? Because BLOG and Internet social media are TERRIBLE.
Conversation

Current niche approvals that are problematic

Malkazoid ·
We had a thread to alert the community to these before there was a move to this newer version of the support site, but I think all those threads are locked now, so here's a new one! Alert the community to the niches that may be receiving the wrong votes in the approval process. Avoiding the need to appeal an approval to the Tribunal lessens their workload and allows them to focus on their core task of developing the platform. This is all the more important now, because after Beta launch, a...
Suggestion

Discussions in the Tribunal

freedom ·
In the Tribunal a place to post commentary and arguments. Example Conversations recently: Niche stage has comments https://www.narrative.org/hq/approval/45932351865062242 Unable to comment in Tribunal https://www.narrative.org/hq/appeal/46495305201207410 Need to link or tag to posts for Tribunal to read https://www.narrative.org/post/is-conversations-a-topic
Issue

Tribunal process

Malkazoid ·
Hello all, A current appeal has revealed some interesting issues with the Tribunal process that I think might be able to be fixed with a small tweak. The problems - Currently once all tribunal members have voted, the appeal ends immediately regardless of the 7 day clock. - This is causing Tribunal members to vote in favour of a niche they say they may vote against later if the description has not been changed, perhaps not during the current appeal, but during a subsequent one. They vote in...
Suggestion

Problematic post deletion - potential solution

Christina Gleason ·
Perhaps posts could be "archived" instead of "deleted" - a sort of Post Purgatory for things people want to delete but are still visible to @Narrative Network Team. This would prevent members from posting problematic content (both posts AND comments) and deleting it to avoid negative consequences. I am not a programmer, so I can only explain it in the terms of what things would look like to moderators and admin. When a member hits "delete post" or "delete comment," it does not instantly...
Conversation

Troll awareness week

Malkazoid ·
Hello all, I wanted to bring up a couple of things here, rather than on the platform, so as not to feed the rep of one of our trolls. 1) Trolls like conflict. Their game is to upset, and cause chaos and division. They delight in it. 2) Narrative is uniquely vulnerable to this because so much of it is designed to be community driven. Especially at this early stage when moderation is not in place. 3) Both of the trolls, Gage (@default), and D.K (@Ethereum) are intelligent and have been running...
Question

Niche purpose: Does name niche or description carry more weight?

Christina Gleason ·
I'm going to preface this by stating the precedent the Tribunal has already set forth with the BLOG niche - saying that the name clearly made it the top level niche about blogging even though the description was a hot mess - and the Haiku niche - which had an edit denied to change the name to be more inclusive of other poetry forms, because the Tribunal believed the niche was clearly intended to ONLY be about Haiku. So we have a PRECEDENT where the niche name matters a whole lot more than...
Issue

The edit of the Creativity niche changed the meaning of the niche

Vico Biscotti ·
The description of the Creativity niche has been changed, and the edit has been approved by the Tribunal . However, the edit changes the meaning of the niche from the act and the process of creativity to a place to share the product of your creativity or your creative ideas (a very general scope). The edit is a major one, and it completely changes the wording and the scope of the niche. I raised the discussion on Narrative , but I'm posting as an issue here too because we members have no...
Suggestion

In case of an edit request of a niche, allow comments from members before the approval from the Tribunal.

Vico Biscotti ·
Like it happened with Creativity , the edit of a niche description can be a major one. The community approved the niche when the description was very different, moderators nominate themselves (and will operate) also based on the description, and some members (like me) will take the new description into consideration when following or submitting. While the Tribunal takes care of the approval and always has the final word, it could be fair - and certainly appreciated - to allow the community...
Suggestion

Unclear labels for Tribunal votes

Vico Biscotti ·
Votes from Tribunal members, in the appeal, are labeled "Voted for" or "Voted against", but it's unclear if it's a "voted for rejecting the niche" (as it's intuitive, because they're voting the appeal) or "voted for keeping the niche" (as it actually is). I think "Voting for the appeal" and "Voted against the appeal" (switching columns, in this case) would be clearer captions.
Issue

BLOG niche description unchanged

Malkazoid ·
The Tribunal members overwhelmingly voted to keep the BLOG niche in order to give the owner a chance to change the description. https://www.narrative.org/hq/appeal/46776834475244075 Six weeks have gone by, and the description has not budged... So what happens now? Is a community member supposed to appeal the niche again ? That started a very unfortunate chain of events last time, and many Narrators are now much more reluctant to be involved in community governance activities as a result (it...
Issue

Writing Niche

Garden Gnome Publications ·
The Tribunal recently ruled that the BLOG Niche should be rejected , a win for all Narrators. However, there is still an issue with the Writing Niche , owned by the same Niche owner. I'm inclined to make a similar appeal, but the last time that happened, with the BLOG Niche, Tribunal members rejected the appeal to give the Niche owner time to make changes to the description. BUT, he didn't, which is what led to the second appeal. The problem now is, this Niche owner is Conduct Negative.
Issue

Infinite appeals

Vico Biscotti ·
As it's currently happening with the appeal on the Writing niche , an appeal on a niche can not have an end. From specs: "At least 70% of all Tribunal members must vote on the appeal by the time the voting period concludes; otherwise, the voting period shall be automatically extended until at least 70% of the Tribunal has voted. Furthermore, votes may not end in a tie, so even if 70% have voted, the voting process will continue until the tie has been broken." This is an issue, because it...
Suggestion

Use moderators to help control plagiarism and other violations

Malkazoid ·
Moderators will be the first people to see content, and the only people to process it before it gets published to a niche. As such, they are inevitably our first line of defence against posts that violate the Acceptable Use Policy or the Terms of Use policy. Since moderators will vote, just like everyone else, we should strongly consider that we already have a partially built-in mechanism to prevent fraudulent or illegal posts from being published. If a moderator downvotes a post as being a...
Suggestion

Stop abusive downvoting: announce future measures now

Malkazoid ·
Problem Right now, the only tool we have against abusive downvoting, is the higher weight given to high rep voters. We are observing this is not sufficient against abusive downvoting circles, who seem to carry enough weight to cause real, malicious damage. If you require explicit examples, I can provide them privately. The influence of rep on voting weights is not linear at all, but seems to be quite exponential. While this could be pushed further and further, we also could run into the...
Suggestion

Speed up appeals when 80% upvote is already guaranteed.

Vico Biscotti ·
Some appeals take days just because one member didn't vote already, but all of the others already showed a clear position. The last member could make the others change their idea, of course, but we should also consider the benefit of the speed of the appeals, especially when the position of the Tribunal is particularly clear. So, my proposal is this: if after 48 hours, given the current and pending votes - at any moment - 80% of upvote is already guaranteed, the appeal would end.
Conversation

Writing Niche - Again

Shaine ·
I just won the Writing Niche yesterday. It came with the description: It turns out there is already The Writing Life Niche: And, there appears to have been past drama about this very niche. https://community.narrative.or.../topic/writing-niche It is not my intent to turn this into a rehash. @Wild Speculation and I are willing to work with each other to differentiate sufficiently for minimal overlap. We just are not certain how to go about it. He has already changed his niche this...
Announcement

Expanding the scope of appeals to include members

Ted ·
Currently, the appeal system in Narrative is limited to content, comments, and niches. We're working on some improvements, however, to support reporting a member for chronic plagiarism, profile AUP violations, and potentially more in the future. Member-focused appeals will be reviewed and decided by the Tribunal. About Plagiarism Appeals We want to make sure that claims of plagiarism are not frivolous and that they are based on provable, chronic behavior. Anyone who submits an appeal against...
Suggestion

Mandatory Staking for Tribunal Elections

Garden Gnome Publications ·
In my Community Advisory Group report, I communicated the need for staking. I believe it's the surest way to stabilize the NRVE economy. Staking can be required for a number of things, and should. I had initially conflated staking for Tribunal elections with staking for The Electorate, which is in the spec. I think there should be required staking for Tribunal members. It's a small measure, but anyone who wants to be on the Tribunal should show their commitment to the NRVE economy by proving...
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Re: NICHESQUATTING

Ted ·
Well, one good thing is that if you squat and do not put any moderators in place, you will not earn any revenue. So, you have incentive to make sure you have some management in place for the niche. In addition, there an an annual fee to be paid to maintain the niche ownership. Still, I think we do need to consider these sorts of potential issues longer term... and that is why the Tribunal and the Council will have a huge role in coming up with tweaks to the system as they warrant.
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Re: NICHESQUATTING

Harj ·
And potetialy (Maybe) there might be the opportunity to sell your Niche in the future. Esspecially if you have changed your mind and its better that just sitting on it. But that said even if you sit on it and do nothing you are holding it and your capital is tied up your capital that you would bid and have paid to get it. Very costly but we have to respect Private property or it will put into Jeopardy the whole system and value of niches even Narrative, if we just take it of them with force...
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Re: NICHESQUATTING

Harj ·
MrGoodsett remember Squatting or squatters and stealing someone else property for there own benefits. Aka theft. Founders are using there own capital to buy the property/niche. Not theft! Aka not niche squatting.
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Re: NICHESQUATTING

mrgoodsett ·
Typing to fast...I do mean SQUATTING!!! Thanks Harj.
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Re: Does a Tribunal overruling on a Niche impact reputation?

Malkazoid ·
Hi @Dana , Excellent question. What is in your best interest is to vote against the redundant niche, AND to appeal the community voted decision if the niche is approved by the community. Make a little note somewhere to make the appeal. In this manner, you vote according to your true belief rather than pursuing the sometimes misguided wisdom of the crowd, AND you do the network a service by making sure the problem of the approved redundant niche makes it before the Tribunal, while putting all...
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Re: Does a Tribunal overruling on a Niche impact reputation?

Ted ·
The quick reply is that we are still tweaking the reputation formulas and spec, so there is no definite answer on this question. Further, it's doubtful that we will publish every nuance of how reputation is determined, because doing so would lead to more gaming. The longer answer is that the example you gave is a great example of how complex some issues are. Ultimately, our goal is to have a reputation system that reflects final truth (i.e., Tribunal opinions should influence reputation) AND...
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Re: Does a Tribunal overruling on a Niche impact reputation?

Michael ·
Hmm, good question. I'm noticing the same thing. Someone created a Niche called "Daily Fantasy Sports" but in the subheading stated that "this also includes e-sports," which I know to be completely wrong, and the appeal failed. (My brother is a HUGE Esports & Fantasy league guy, and I can assure you, they're not the same thing) It's as if people are creating niche titles, but then trying to 'dragnet' other subjects in the Niche subheading, even if unintentionally, because they're unaware...
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Re: Does a Tribunal overruling on a Niche impact reputation?

Michael ·
@Ted Are the Tribunal details on how they came to the decision made open and transparent to the community, or is it "top-down"? As mentioned in the Narrative Manifesto: "We adopt a decentralized approach; to replace top-down management of users and content with a system where the entire community is involved in setting standards, curating content, and reducing the influence of bad actors." To avoid acting as "Big Social" I think Tribunals will have to be naturally open processes to allow the...
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Re: Does a Tribunal overruling on a Niche impact reputation?

Banter ·
The main issue we are finding with Niche creation is the duplication hazard...all of the other standard rejection reasons are pretty obvious. I know the Narrative team has tried to do a simple name match to show potential dupes...but this clearly isn't enough. The example above is the reason why: Homeopathic Treatment isn't showing 'Homeopathy' under similar Niches. I think most people are using this as a guideline while voting, or will simply rely on the legwork of another narrator who has...
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Brian Lenz ·
Hi @Malkazoid , I can see where you're coming from here. I think this is a matter of standards vs. best practices. The Tribunal (and community!) really should only be rejecting niches based on the criteria set by the system: unique, no profanity, no misspellings, English, and complies with the TOS. I don't see imperfection (or lack of perfect consistency) as a standard that must be upheld. There is gray area and margin for error. Some niche descriptions are sub-optimal and may not follow...
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Thanks Brian - that does help me understand your process. You did leave out one of the rejection criteria that is available to voters: "The niche name/description is unclear/incorrect." This is grounds for rejection, and it describes the current issue very well. I'd like to make a recommendation. I agree whole-heartedly that rejecting the niche is not optimal. But I feel equally strongly that leaving it in its current state is undesirable. More so than rejecting the niche. After all, if...
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Bryan ·
Not abiding by standards should be grounds for rejection for this reason... people with poorly written and/or unclear Niche descriptions MAY argue later that another Niche is violating their airspace. Hey, no fair. That's what I MEANT to say... It's a problem. Especially when the voting public is full of un-educated, or non-credentialed, voters (no offense intended).
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Exactly - and there is something inherently wrong with a niche going through a Tribunal appeal, diverting their attention from other things... and yet STILL coming out the other side flawed in such a blatant way. I really think the Tribunal needs to make these tweaks while they are at it. It is bad for Narrative for sloppy niches to remain, and it is a very bad look for the project to observe the sloppiness and do nothing about it.
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Gord ·
Sounds like a good platform to campaign on for the next Tribunal election
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Re: Change in Policy: Refunds for Rejected Niche Owners

Emily Barnett ·
This is a great update. Thank you @Ted
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Re: Conflicts of interest

Banter ·
I think it makes sense for the tribunal member(s) with the conflict to simply recuse themselves. I don't think there needs to be a replacement on hand, just vote with fewer members. I think for now we should just use the honor system. If someone involved in the case thinks there is a conflict, they should probably submit that conflict when they submit their appeal to the tribunal. I'm really not too concerned about this, but it is a good thing to think about.
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Re: Conflicts of interest

Christina Gleason ·
I think that the members who end up elected to the tribunal will probably have enough integrity (having been elected because the membership trusts them) to recuse themselves from such a vote. This doesn't mean they can't contribute to the discussion leading up to each person's vote, but by explaining their reason for recusal(?) to the other tribunal members, they give perhaps a bit of additional insight into the matter at hand.
 
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