Tagged With "tribunal"

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Re: Street Style Portrait Photography

Christina Gleason ·
I don't think it's even necessary to remove reputation accrued from the suggestion, as there are some well thought-out niches that have remained unpurchased since I joined in the autumn, but they just aren't that popular for people who know they're limited to owning 5 niches. But purging un-purchased niches after 6 months would make it easier to rid the system of the truly awful ones that got approved anyways, and it provides an opportunity for other unpurchased niches to "hit the front...
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Conflicts of interest

Malkazoid ·
Hello Fellow Narrators, I'd like to hear everyone's views on how we should deal with cases in which there are conflicts of interest between Tribunal members and decisions they have to make about appeals concerning niches they are connected to (either through ownership or moderation positions). It seems obvious that they should never find themselves making decisions on these appeals, but the question is: how do we then deal with these situations? In some cases, this might even rule out more...
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Re: Conflicts of interest

Banter ·
I think it makes sense for the tribunal member(s) with the conflict to simply recuse themselves. I don't think there needs to be a replacement on hand, just vote with fewer members. I think for now we should just use the honor system. If someone involved in the case thinks there is a conflict, they should probably submit that conflict when they submit their appeal to the tribunal. I'm really not too concerned about this, but it is a good thing to think about.
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Re: Conflicts of interest

Christina Gleason ·
I think that the members who end up elected to the tribunal will probably have enough integrity (having been elected because the membership trusts them) to recuse themselves from such a vote. This doesn't mean they can't contribute to the discussion leading up to each person's vote, but by explaining their reason for recusal(?) to the other tribunal members, they give perhaps a bit of additional insight into the matter at hand.
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Re: Conflicts of interest

Robert Nicholson ·
Isn't it possible to automatically detect and display potential conflicts of interest, such as being a Niche owner, moderator, or even contributor? Personally, I think it's reasonable to rely on an honor system - but I also think it would be nice to have transparency.
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Re: Conflicts of interest

Slaz ·
Some rare cases of this may be hard to avoid, such things happen in RL democracy too. Eventually I believe Tribunal members should at least be prohibited from dealing with Appeals on niches they either own or moderate. One or two reserve Tribunal members may be assigned to even out the votes.
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Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Garden Gnome Publications ·
So I just received my first Niche suggestion rejection . It was a great learning experience. There's just one problem: I can't suggest any more Niches for 7 days. Really? I'm not angry. I'm not upset. I'm a little disappointed. But I'm mostly befuzzled. This is Alpha stage, the stage where you want to prove yourself to potential users. Like a first date. You put on your lipstick and eye shadow, squirt a little sweet-smelling sneeze spray on the left and right sides of your neck, just under...
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Malkazoid ·
Hey - @Garden Gnome Publications I feel your pain. We've been trying to get the team to change this for precisely the reasons you so eloquently laid out. Apparently they plan to roll out a change to this in the next iteration, which should be very soon. I was convinced this would be a very easy change to make, but I've been told there's more to it than I can grasp without being intimate with their implementations. All I can do is take their word for it. Seems to me like changing the lockout...
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Emily Barnett ·
You can appeal the communities decision to the tribunal. If they over turn it, then you are not in suggestion jail. I think you are an asset to our community and hope you stick around. It sucks getting your niche rejected. I hated it, and I can't even say it was because I was new. I am pretty sure I abstained from voting on this one. I was torn. I did lean towards voting in favor, because I actually am frustrated that only the person whom appeals a decision to the tribunal has a comment. Not...
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

MichelleG ·
I've never even been sentenced to Twitmo for 7 days. Not sure what you'd even have to do to get a sentence that long and not have your account taken down.
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Emily Barnett ·
I have also advocated on the community page that the & day niche suggestion jail...or time out...is not good. at the very least it is way too long.
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Christina Gleason ·
I know that 24 hours in Twitmo seems like an eternity, which is one of the reasons why I've been joining my voice with others to call for an end to the 7-day suggestion suspension. I don't think there needs to be ANY suspension, since you take a reputation hit for a rejected niche now. Although now I wonder... has anyone made an OFFICIAL suggestion via support ticket about removing the 7-day time-out from suggesting new niches? If you have or do now, please link to it here so we can all vote...
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I'm not upset about the rejection. The responses have been educational, and I get that there will be some disagreement, especially over the political goings on. The heart of the issue is how many new users will feel alienated when this happens to them? You said it best with "at the very least it is way too long."
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I wasn't going to appeal the community rejection of this Niche, but I have nothing to lose. Thanks @Emily Barnett for the suggestion. Nevertheless, I appealed the rejection of The Tribunal Niche suggestion. Even if it's overturned, the process could take up to six days, which means my suspension from suggesting new niches will still be a long one. But this should at least give the Narrative Company something to think about.
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Emily Barnett ·
Glad you are sticking around @Garden Gnome Publications
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

MOLLY O ·
@Garden Gnome Publications . Sorry you were befuddled Our intention is not to make new members feel bad or be penalized while learning and contributing to the Narrative Alpha. Thanks for your patience as we tweak things. I want you to know that the management team reads the community site regularly. Sometimes we don't respond right away because we are looking into the issue (and its good to hear what other members think as well). And, sometimes the issue is linked to something else and so...
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I've got no reason to leave. I bought a Niche. lol
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Re: Street Style Portrait Photography

Emily Barnett ·
Any resolve on this yet? these niches are still stuck canceling each other out.
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Re: Street Style Portrait Photography

MOLLY O ·
Hopefully soon.
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Re: Street Style Portrait Photography

Emily Barnett ·
Ok Thanks @MOLLY O
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Emily Barnett ·
I think it is actually up for suggestion right now by @Christina Gleason . Ha! I bet she read this and is testing out the theory. It is a good niche. it should pass with flying colours.
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Heidi Hecht ·
I don't really remember exactly what I suggested that got rejected. I was just tossing "purple" out there as an example of a niche that could get rejected.
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Emily Barnett ·
Did you get suspended for suggesting a colour?? There are colours approved on the platform. And actually they could be very popular if purchased. There will be plenty of photo challenges that include colours. Hence a Tag Photography, Challenges, Purple. Steemit already has this with a colour for each day of the week and thousands of photos in that colour get posted.
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Heidi Hecht ·
That happened to me, too, but I didn't think anything of it because I ran out of niche ideas anyway. I'd say if someone was CONSTANTLY suggesting niche ideas that got rejected, then it'd be reasonable to put that person in time-out with an explanation that they might want to put more thought into their suggestions. But once or twice -- yeah, maybe a niche devoted to the color purple wasn't that great of an idea to begin with, but it's nothing to suspend a person's ability to suggest niches...
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Christina Gleason ·
No, it's just an amazing coincidence! I know that other color-based niches have been suggested maybe by you, @Emily Barnett ? And I didn't want any of the primary or secondary colors to get left out. But I had to try to carefully word it so that it didn't get confused with The Color Purple, the popular book turned into a movie.
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Re: Thanks for the Punishment Narrative (Now I'm Gone)

Emily Barnett ·
cool coincidence. And I am glad you picked up on the secondaries. @Christina Gleason
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Re: Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Emily Barnett ·
I worry about this. I think the tribunal is going to have a very large work load as it grows, for only 3%. It is the lease efficient use of time for return. Personally I think there are enough stop gaps in place. The community can vote out a bad moderator, the content maker could message the owner if abuses are taking place by the moderator, and I also think most moderator's, especially on a profitable niche are going to be motivated to keep their job, ergo do their job in accordance of the...
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Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Ted ·
Originally suggested here: https://community.narrative.or...moderation-final-say The idea is that if a niche moderator rejects your content that you can appeal to the Tribunal to reverse the decision. One potential downside is that, if used frequently, the workload of the Tribunal could really increase. We might want to have some limitation as to the number of times any member could appeal a niche content rejection. We'd also want to make sure that the Tribunal decision was final... so that...
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Re: Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Gord ·
That depends on the return
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Re: Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Banter ·
I agree that it would generate too much work for the tribunal. As a side note, I hope there is something put in place to prevent someone from submitting the same content again, with the intention of getting a different moderator to approve it. Has the @Narrative team thought about that scenario?
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Re: Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Slaz ·
I believe that in this case the user can just appeal against the moderator who made the decision, and not the decision itself. As niches should all be clear and unique, I don't expect that many content rejects that are worth disputing over.
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GGB niche

Gaia Glee ·
Hello darlings, especially @Garden Gnome Publications, I was notified about a niche I was following that had been appealed to the Tribunal. Having voted for it, I went to see what all the fuss was about, as it remained approved by the Tribunal. As such, I decided to take preventative measures and bid on the niche myself. If I win, I shall rename it Girls Gone Crypto and adjust the description as necessary to keep things ethical. That should solve most concerns about the Reddit version and...
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You can only appeal one niche per 24 hour period to the Tribunal - problematic

Christina Gleason ·
I'm currently going through every. single. page. of niches up for auction to suggest niches for people to buy that I have content already written for, and I'm noticing a lot of redundant niches got approved in the early days. I appealed one instance, but I could appeal at least 4 more right now. I'm not going to be going to back through all of these pages again tomorrow or any time soon, so I'm not going to remember all of these that should be appealed. (Off the top of my head, Activism,...
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Re: You can only appeal one niche per 24 hour period to the Tribunal - problematic

MOLLY O ·
Hi Christina, You are correct, there is a one per 24 hour limit in place for appeals right now. Sure one reason is to stop one person from spamming the tribunal with appeals. But another reason is to help the well intentioned person through the process. By submitting one appeal, they can watch how the Tribunal votes and understand the reasoning. There will certainly be cases in the future when we open up to the public that we will have people appealing for the wrong reasons. On another note,...
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Re: You can only appeal one niche per 24 hour period to the Tribunal - problematic

Christina Gleason ·
You saw through part of my reason for posting about this issue.
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Re: You can only appeal one niche per 24 hour period to the Tribunal - problematic

Slaz ·
I’ve just appealed the Poem niche. Let’s clean up as a group effort.
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Re: You can only appeal one niche per 24 hour period to the Tribunal - problematic

Slaz ·
@Christina Gleason As for the other niches you mentioned: the Activists niche, I see that it was already appealed and found to be non-redundant in relation to the one for Activism. However, does the term Advocacy have any different meaning to distinguish it from Activism? I’m unfamiliar with the term.
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Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
...or is there any way for us to make suggestions for changes to the Tribunal? Because BLOG and Internet social media are TERRIBLE.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Ted ·
There is currently no way to give feedback like that (directly) to the niche owner. And niche owners are the only ones that can currently edit the niche names/descriptions, as well. I think the idea of letting the community suggest niche name/description edits may have merit, but then again there are a lot of people who think that only niche owners should completely control such things. In my view, niches are a public resource and because of that you can make an argument that community input...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
Maybe one way to handle the "tons of edit requests" problem would be to only allow one active edit request at a time per niche. If the Tribunal approves it, no one else could request another edit for... 30 days? 60 days? I'm just tossing out numbers.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
I think you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't expect people to pay narrative money to own a niche, and then turn around and say it is the a public resource and up to the community to make changes to it. if we are owners of niches, then we are owners. This doesn't seem too difficult to me at all. Join the community. Engage with it by posting, voting, and commenting on it. Then direct message the owner once we have some sort of messaging in place (hopefully beta?) Not everything...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Robert Nicholson ·
@Ted - I agree with @Emily Barnett 100%. A "like" of her post isn't strong enough. The owner should be the arbiter of any changes to the niche name or description (with approval of the Tribunal).
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
While I see your points, I still respectfully disagree. Redundant niches are not allowed. An uninvolved niche owner ignoring their duty to make their niche discoverable in search and show some semblance of professionalism hurts anyone who wants to contribute content on that particular topic. Blogging and Social Media aren't exactly long-tail niches, so having them stuck the way they are will hurt contributors. I wouldn't be averse to a system like I described above, where community members...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
Ownership is ownership. You cannot have it both ways. If I pay for something it is mine. I may allow it to be accessed by the community as a resource, because it serves us both, to do that, but it still has been bought and paid for, there for the decision on the name and description is mine to make. If it is redundant to someone else's previously purchased niche, then we have a mechanism in place to appeal that. But if the community prefers better grammar or description, that should be...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
I also think it is important to remember that owners ARE part of the community as well. They are not this MIA delinquent landlord type whom are out to mess up individual's content plans. Narrative has people of different education levels, different language levels, different levels of deep thought, and different activity levels, all participating in Narrative. Of course we all would love everything to be at University level writing, where everybody has a deep handle on the English language.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Malkazoid ·
Won't belabour this because we've said it all before... but in my opinion we should be looking at this first and foremost from the perspective of quality, so I tend to agree with Christina more. People don't have to have university level English because we have a community of people who are willing to help. Ownership is not incompatible with bylaws that upload quality. In the desirable neighbourhoods, cities, and countries of this world, it is common that owners of real estate still have to...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
Good to see you back again, @Malkazoid . Your absence had been noticed!
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
I don't think anyone has suggested a laissez-faire fair approach @Malkazoid , quite to opposite. But @Ted went down the path of entrepreneurialism in the white papers, by making to niches purchasable. He went further, when after you and then I both campaigned for TRUE OWNERSHIP. Which we achieved. I am in full agreement that bylaws are a part of maintaining quality controls. And Narrative has those bylaws in place. We voted on niches to approve or not approve, prior to niches being...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Malkazoid ·
I don't get it. You'd be furious if someone corrected a spelling or grammar mistake for you?
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
I would vote this comment down if i could. Imagine if you your neighbor painted their house pink. you hated it. told them so, and still they ignored you. So when they went away to visit their sick mother, you decided to make it better quality and painted it blue, because after all you are part of the community. You don't have a right to do that. You didn't buy the house. You can report it to the bylaw officers. They can issue a ticket if it actually breaks a bylaw. that is it. Niches should...
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