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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

David Dreezer ·
Well, if they truly do pay the 60k? Then yes. And if they don't, as we expect? In a few days it'll be back up for auction again.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Malkazoid ·
There is a problem with this David, which you may not be taking into account when saying yes , we should congratulate a member who has started serial trolling the site in multiple ways, for winning a niche with a dummy account, as part of a campaign of spamming well over a dozen niches with bids. Other bidders understandably stop bidding when faced with this sort of scenario because otherwise they will pay more for a niche that the person bidding up across from them probably doesn't intend...
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

David Dreezer ·
If the person does indeed pay 60k for the Niche I'd posit that they are serious.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Vico Biscotti ·
Disagree. He probably won't pay, but he MAY pay, and still acting just for revenge, and then sabotage the niche. And if he doesn't pay he's still there altering bids, delaying purchases (even delaying is part of his scheme), and giving a confusing picture to new users. We wait for the team to solve but, IMO, the thing is serious. cc: @Malkazoid
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

David Dreezer ·
It is. On this we agree.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Colleen Ryer ·
As @Vico Biscotti says, and I'll add, Just because the person (s) has the money to pay the bid, doesn't guarantee anything about the persons' intent.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

David Dreezer ·
Should we make any assumptions about intent until or unless the Niche is paid or not paid?
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

MOLLY O ·
Let me temper things here - we are aware of the activity going on and are examining the best path forward where we can utilize (and adjust as needed) the system/rules to automatically take care of behaviors. We want the system to do the work as it is important moving forward. We expected some things to be tested. While it doesn't seem like we are acting as fast as you would like, it is important to look across a bunch of behaviors and patterns so we can best adjust.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Colleen Ryer ·
Hi @David Dreezer To clarify, this person's actions has already raised serious flags, would still warrant a close eye, even if bid is paid, that's all.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I don't think this individual intends to pay. @Vico Biscotti , yours is not the only niche he bid on and won. He's targeted multiple niches, including one that was being bid on by a member of Narrative staff, @Rosemary . https://www.narrative.org/hq/auction/9197106484215445 This type of behavior is clearly intended to be disruptive and nothing else. He targeted several niches being bid on by another user, with a rep of 59, named Shane Andis. This Narrator is fairly new to the platform but...
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Vico Biscotti ·
Thanks for the reply, @MOLLY O . It helps to hear from you, and we all know you need time. I'm just worried that without human intervention, malevolent behavior can have a long life, and do damages in the meanwhile. We need a safe and fair environment to publish and connect. Hope you reach that point. Good work.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Malkazoid ·
@MOLLY O I'm not concerned with the speed of response: it was the weekend and this is the first work day dealing with the situation. I am concerned when it is suggested we should congratulate the troll if he pays for the niche. He shouldn't be able to get the niche at all, no matter how much he pays, because he cheated to get it. He applied a chilling effect on other bidders, by creating troll accounts and spamming many niches with bizarre bids. The predictable effect was for serious bidders...
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Vico Biscotti ·
@Garden Gnome Publications , yes, he's doing that on several niches, I know. And yes, he's succeeding in demotivating people, like me, that's why his action already had an effect. I'm not going to invest, with this scenario, and this is what he wants. I may be overly prudent, but I'm not alone. I don't think it's a competitor. The guy was quiet until the appeal on his niche. Everything started there, immediately, as direct revenge to me and a few other users, first, then as a challenge to...
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Bashar Abdullah ·
Must disagree also. Some people are serious about inflicting damage, not about nurturing the community. And as others said, he has basically been bidding on as many niches as he can, and also appealing all niches possible. Disrupting operations and pushing away real members. He's at an advantage now of picking whatever he wants to actually buy, and leave all others to rest. And I've seen genuine users outbid him and probably end up paying very high price. I'll post my suggestion in separate ...
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Malkazoid ·
Thank you @Bashar Abdullah - we have a duty to care for the people who have been impacted by this troll's vendetta. People have potentially been caused considerable extra expense, and others have decided not to buy niches they wanted. In the case of at least one person - I think he would have made an excellent niche owner: his dedication is already manifest... and I only mention him because he's the one I've talked with. There may be others. He is sitting it out now - he'll miss the niche he...
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Bashar Abdullah ·
@Malkazoid you're absolutely right, and I think well said! It can't be Beta at our financial expense.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
I was JUST thinking about this last night. I'm with @Malkazoid . One of the Tribunal members, maybe @Michael Farris (I hope that's the right Michael to tag; pic is different than on Beta) because he was the only one to vote no, should be the one to open the appeal. Because you ALL SAID you agreed with those of us who appealed, but y'all screwed us over and gave the troll the benefit of the doubt before he played merry hell with the platform for the next week or two afterward.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Malkazoid ·
I think the right Michael to tag is "@Michael Farris"!
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
Edited! Thanks.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Can this member make the necessary changes? He's still conduct negative.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Malkazoid ·
Good question... I'd like to think that if he had tried and found the system prevented it, he'd have raised a ticket here about it... but he may not have tried, and so may never have come up against that potential obstacle...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
Screw it. Raise hell with me if they reject my appeal this time.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
Never mind, Slaz beat me to it.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Vico Biscotti ·
He became Conduct Negative after several days from the decision of the Tribunal. In the meanwhile, instead of responding or fixing the niche (not a post, or comment, or topic anywhere), the owner trolled (more from @Christina Gleason in the new appeal) and cheated around in revenge (on Narrative and outside Narrative!). His choice. cc: @Malkazoid .
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Vico Biscotti ·
I agree, @Malkazoid . I was waiting to see if the decision from the Tribunal would have the following action (or new features to avoid these cases). @Slaz did it first, and it's okay. But the owner of the niche is a clearly malevolent member and the community shouldn't be obliged to engage fights to fix things. The owner is Conduct Negative, now, and he will certainly use this as an alibi, in the future. What when he will be around again, he or one of his newly breaded trolls? We need tools...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Garden Gnome Publications ·
@Vico Biscotti , I'm not arguing against that. This thread was started as a means to influence an expected change in the description. As others who have been conduct negative have noted, they couldn't do anything while in that status. So I'm questioning whether the platform will even allow him to make that appeal while conduct negative. If not, then this a moot point. We'll either have to wait until he is no longer conduct negative or Narrative staff will have to make the changes for him.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Vico Biscotti ·
@Garden Gnome Publications , I also think (and fear) that Conduct Negative is a tricky point and may be an obstacle for the Tribunal. I just say that the owner had his chance before. Between the appeal and the Conduct Negative a lot of days passed, and the owner not only didn't try to fix things or comment, but took instead the occasion to act in revenge, which eventually (and very late, I would add) lead to the Conduct Negative. That's why I say that his current status shouldn't be an...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I'm afraid you all are focusing on the wrong issue. Despite being conduct negative, this individual still has an active niche. There are people still contributing to the niche, and posting whatever they want. Do you think that will change? These Narrators have already been trained to drop whatever they want in that niche, instead of finding another suitable, more narrowly defined niche for their content. Let's say the description changes. Is that going to change the behavior of all of its...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Malkazoid ·
@Garden Gnome Publications - I always like to support grass roots approaches so I don't want to dismiss the Community approach out of hand, but I do think it would be: a) a lot of effort b) a negative campaign, which would feel a little bit like family feuding in public, far more so than a single post about a bad niche would be... since this would be popping up in comment on posts to the BLOG niche as well. I think a more efficient solution would be for the Tribunal to simply reject the...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Vico Biscotti ·
@Garden Gnome Publications , at this point I'm not just asking the renaming. I'm asking the rejection of the niche. The Tribunal gave an opportunity to the owner, the owner chose different conduct, rejection should now be the only option. I'd like this was a community thing. Unfortunately, we have no tools, and there's a lot of confusion around niches, their description, and moderation. I am confused. And I was even more confused when I stepped into Narrative. I maybe posted myself in the...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Okay, I get it. You just want them to retire the niche altogether? And what if they don't?
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
If the Tribunal looks at the appeal and votes to reject - WHICH THEY SHOULD - the niche will be REJECTED, not ACTIVE.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
About Conduct Negative niche owners not able to make edit appeals... Honestly? I think the system is working as intended if the owner was given 30 days (more, actually) to edit his description, and his bad behavior was SO bad that he's STILL Conduct Negative six weeks out. If you're such a bad actor in the community, you really shouldn't be allowed to own a niche and benefit from it anyways. Content posted there won't be erased, it will just no longer be tagged to that niche. The Tribunal...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Brian Lenz ·
FYI, Niche owners can submit niche edits even while they are Conduct Negative.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Vico Biscotti ·
If they don't, I can do nothing, of course, except maybe trying to raise again the issue. But I'm already concerned about the messy thing of niches, and I know I'm not alone. Despite the so-called management by the community, the fate of the platform is in the hands of the Team. Up to us is to decide if this is home to our content.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Colleen Ryer ·
I'm wondering if since the niche was approved in anticipation that the owner would edit the name/description, that there should be an "approval pending conditions - and if the conditions aren't met, then approval is denied. Also wondering if this rule is put in place, could be applied retroactively. It would mean those who've already posted would have to move to another niche, but it looks to me that all could be accommodated elsewhere if they haven't already posted to other niches. This...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
THIS would be the best solution. And AUTOMATED conditional approval with a clear deadline before the niche becomes rejected.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Colleen Ryer ·
Oh, yes, automated would be even better! Thanks @Christina Gleason
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Malkazoid ·
@Colleen Ryer , @Christina Gleason , I think the conditional approval idea is the same as what I've proposed, with a slightly different angle of approach. The basic idea of allowing the niche owner a period of time to rectify the problem is at the core of both ideas. My approach should be easier to develop though - no need for a new status ("conditionally approved"), and no need to for the Tribunal to follow up if the niche does not get fixed. By voting based on what is actually in front of...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Colleen Ryer ·
Yes @Malkazoid , that would be easiest - and fastest - and hopefully can be done retroactively. Thanks for catching me up!
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

blueeyes8960 ·
I think @malkazoid has the best and easiest solution. Base the vote on what is in front of you. If the niche is denied, set the appeal clock. If the niche owner makes the changes, then the Tribunal can vote. I would also like to see community input on the proposed changes for the appeal as previously suggested by @ VICO BISCOTTI . The Tribunal can make the final vote to accept the appeal, but it would be beneficial to let the community have input on the proposed change. And if NO changes are...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
Have y'all checked out the status of the new appeal? https://www.narrative.org/hq/appeal/48466080010426019 Looks like Bob is holding off to give the owner a few more days to make good, but it's going the way it should have the first time.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

MOLLY O ·
The Tribunal voted to reject the niche so setting this issue to Resolved.
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Re: Writing Niche

Christina Gleason ·
I completely agree with you about the Writing niche being unacceptable in its current state. But I am also quite certain that the owner wouldn't make any recommended edits regardless of conduct status. The problem in THIS case is that, even if we appeal Writing and the Tribunal (rightfully) rejects it, the best name for its proper replacement is not available. It would be great if Narrative could automatically append "REJECTED" to the name of any rejected niche so the name becomes available...
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Re: Writing Niche

Malkazoid ·
I might be remembering this incorrectly, but I think @Brian Lenz popped into a recent conversation to mention that niche owners can submit edits to their niches while they are conduct negative. I agree the description is not appropriate: writing is about much more than merely "telling your story". It encompasses technical writing, biographical writing (the telling of other people's life stories), writing letters (which does not have to have anything to do with stories at all)... and a lot...
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Re: Writing Niche

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I agree with you @Malkazoid . I think we have to operate on a system of fairness and assume the best until proven otherwise. It's possible that this experience has taught him a lesson and he'll consider a change in the description. But, how do we do that without being able to send a direct or private message?
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Re: Writing Niche

Colleen Ryer ·
@Garden Gnome Publications I agree it's time for messaging and this situation is just one reason.
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Re: Writing Niche

BloggerKrunal ·
Right now we don't have any channel on Narrative to send direct messages to any user but we can be in touch with them via Narrative Telegram group. Most active users can be found over there. I'm in touch with @rufans so I will notify him about his post. Because these kind of things somehow affecting Authors and other Niche Owners when 2 or 3 Niches have been tagged. In this case, it's mine "Productivity".
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Re: Writing Niche

Vico Biscotti ·
@Garden Gnome Publications , I soon noticed the Writing niche when coming to Narrative and mentioned the problem many times, with no one caring, except the few regulars, most of them already in this discussion. I postponed the appeal to the solution of the BLOG niche, so I'm now open to it. Not only the description is awful but the same confusion applies to any -ing niche. Is it about the product of the -ing or about the process? You know that one member was surprised to learn that the...
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Re: Writing Niche

Garden Gnome Publications ·
@BloggerKrunal , I'm not on Narrative Telegram so I have no idea if @Ethereum is or not. If he is, that might be the best approach initially. Otherwise, I have no idea. @Vico Biscotti , I understand your feelings. I might be reluctant too if I were in your shoes. But I don't think justice is served by circumventing processes because we assume they won't be effective, even if the assumption is a good assumption. Going through the steps can be slow and tedious, but it's necessary. I'd really...
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