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Bidding system vulnerable to sniping

Malkazoid ·
Hello Narrative Team Ebay long ago implemented the ability for people to enter a maximum bid. This has the immense value of allowing people to not lose an auction due to someone bidding $1 higher in the last seconds of the auction. In such an event, if the currently winning bidder had entered a maximum bid higher than the bidding price, the only way to snipe the auction away from her would be to enter a last minute bid higher than her secret maximum. Is there a way for you to implement this...
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Meet the Narrative Team: Systems Engineers

Melanie Mathos ·
Each week, we will be featuring different team members to help you get to know the people who are hard at work on developing Narrative. Our inaugural post focused on our customer advocates . This week’s post features two members of our systems team, @Jeff and @Paulo. Jeffrey Jordan Nickname: Jeff Narrative Start Date: May 25th, 2018. 17 years Linux System Administrator experience. Working On: Keeping everything running and improving the...
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Trending Photography appeal

Malkazoid ·
Hello @Brian Lenz Thanks for your vote on this appeal. I just wanted to discuss it with you a little bit because your comment on your vote did not sound like you were taking into account the systemic ramifications for accepting niches as unique because they have 'trending' added to an otherwise pre-existing niche. Your comment was: I of course see the distinction you are making. There is such a thing as a trend in any domain, and it is distinct from timeless or classical...
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General Thoughts and critique on Narrative

Peter Wagner ·
After a few days I got a some feelings I want to share about narrative. Maybe some of you can tell me something comforting or explain some stuff to me, since I am very new to all of that. First of all: I don't like the bidding system. It is not transparent. Who bids for what? How do prices emerge? Who gets the money? And for what does someone get the money? Next thing: I don't like is the NRVE oder creditcard payment system. In order to get NRVE (the way narrative.org suggests) you pay fees...
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Narrator publishing other people's images

Malkazoid ·
Hello, I imagine others have noticed this user - his/her handle is Thankgod. Phase 1 Initially, this user posted only single image posts entirely composed of sketches or paintings taken from stock photo sites. Their very low resolution betrayed the fact that these were the preview images, making it highly improbable that the user had paid for the right to use them. https://www.narrative.org/m/ThankGod/journal/recent I Google image searched perhaps 10 of these posts, and verified that this...
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Brian Lenz ·
Hi Malcolm, Thats already how the auctions work What’s giving you the opposite impression? Chaucer utilizes a max bid model just like eBay’s...
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Malkazoid ·
Fantastic - and thanks for the rapid response! I missed it because the system asks you to enter a bid, not a maximum bid. So if I enter another higher bid, my current bid will remain the same, but my maximum will increase? Thanks!
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Brian Lenz ·
Ah, it could be that we could make that more clear. Yep, you enter your max bid. As long as you are the top bidder, you are free to adjust your max bid, as well, so long as it stays greater than or equal to the current real bid. So you can increase your max bid if you’re willing to go higher if necessary, or you can lower your max bid if it’s higher than you’d be willing to commit to. Hope that helps!
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Malkazoid ·
It does - thanks! I was kicking myself for not having suggested the feature beforehand: I'm glad you're way ahead of me!
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Gerbino ·
very good to know! Yes definitely worth updating before Chaucer opens up to the wider audience.
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Henderson ·
As we are bidding on niches, what is the value for each NRVE token? Is it the price we paid for them (which may vary depending on when each person purchased)? I apologize if that has already been addressed. I have been trying to read every post in all of the topics but it is possible that I may have missed this answer. Thank you in advance. @Rosemary @Ted
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Rosemary ·
Starting bid is the equivalent of $75 but in NRVE. Since we're not on exchanges yet, we're keeping it pegged at the 1 NEO = 300 NRVE rate. When you're bidding, it will show you that rate on the page, so you don't have to do advanced math yourself on the fly.
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Brian Lenz ·
For anyone curious to read more, the NRVE calculations are explained in the Terms of Service: https://assets.narrative.netwo...rative-alpha-tos.php Specifically: The NEO/USD rate is currently updated once per day at midnight UTC. Hope that helps!
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carlos ·
Quiero saver cul es el precio de narrative
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Hickster747 ·
Just to be clear on the bidding. If a niche is currently at 500 and I input a bid for 600, I will go in as max bidder at 501 and automatically come back at 551 if there is then a counterbid of 550 etc., up to a max of 600? So the only way my bid would go to the full 600 would be if somone has a max of 599 for example? Hope that makes sense..
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Brian Lenz ·
@Hickster747 , yes exactly! Keep in mind that you will only become the max bidder at 501 if the current max bidder has a max bid of 500. You don't have a way to know their max bid until after you've tried to outbid them. This privacy is what prevents the sniping issue original raised (which is not an issue).
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Hickster747 ·
Great, thanks Brian.
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Hickster747 ·
Alot of the countdown timers seem to show the time remaining as a time that's more than 48 hours after the start/first bid time?
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Brian Lenz ·
@Hickster747 , the 48-hour countdown only starts once the first bid is placed.
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Hickster747 ·
Thanks Brian. I take it the first bid time shown is in EST?
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Brian Lenz ·
If you're signed in to the system, times displayed will be display in your local time zone. Guests should seem times in UTC, but it looks like there is a small issue causing them to be displayed in PDT currently, so we're working on getting that flipped over to UTC.
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Hickster747 ·
No worries, thanks.
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Jezhar ·
Sniping is exactly what's happening. Very frustrating to watch an auction and participate to have no time to react at the last second. My strategy was wrong! Time to stay on the sidelines. I guess it's my own fault, I should have bid very high, even though there wasn't any activity for hours before the end.
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Malkazoid ·
Hello Jezhar Having a maximum bid system won’t guarantee you win - it just allows you to secretly put your best offer in. If someone beats that best offer, have no regrets since you didn’t want to spend more than you set as your maximum bid anyway? Good luck!
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Rosemary ·
Anyone else remember the old Will & Grace episode when Jack became obsessed with eBay and was furiously bidding for Britney Spears sandals? Sorry, I digress...
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Soňa ·
Hi @Rosemary , I have a question. I read somewhere that if you withdraw a bid, you cannot bid on the same niche again. Does that apply only to a current round of bidding or also to the future bidding on that niche? I would be really sad if I withdraw a bid now and would not be able to bid again some time far (or maybe not so far) in the future. Who knows, I may be much more enthusiastic about that niche in the future than I am now. Thanks for your time!
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Re: Trending Photography appeal

Brian Lenz ·
Hi @Malkazoid , First and foremost, Merry Christmas! I totally understand where you're coming from. If the niche was "Trending Photographs" then I would agree it's problematic. As named, Photography Trends doesn't have the same connotation in my mind. I do realize that the description mentions "Trending photos" which I think is sub-optimally described, but not inherently flawed to warrant rejection. I see very little risk of someone posting pictures of their cat to the Photography Trends...
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Erik Blair ·
I think the problem is one of succinctness, scarcity, and potency. If we allow endless variations of 'main topic' niches, then anyone could create 5 niches that were similar using the main topic niche and various qualifiers as prefixes, suffixes, and subtopics (ie. Oakland Trends, Oakland Now, Oakland Tomorrow, Today's Oakland, Our Oakland). Domain names are a reckless example of this. I understand having 'enough' or the 'more the merrier' niches create a higher revenue model and broadens...
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Malkazoid ·
Hi @Brian Lenz ! Indeed, Merry Xmas - almost the end of Boxing Day now - to you and yours! It has been a very relaxed one here! Your post does help me understand how you reached your conclusion, thank you. My concerns remain, and I think your post acknowledges where the rub is, without, I think, realizing the importance of it: So there are two problems that compound each other. Photography is already widely synonymous for photos in people's minds Even without the description, many, and...
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Christina Gleason ·
This is very disturbing. I had previously downvoted a few of this user's images for being tagged in inappropriate niches, but now I will go back and make sure I change my downvote reasons to TOS violation.
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Christina Gleason ·
I posted some links to the stock photo sites hosting a beach chair image: https://www.narrative.org/post...73#49592203133411773
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Christina Gleason ·
I'm finding more through reverse image searches, and the most important thing is that they are NOT all posted by the same stock image artist. They are being taken from multiple artists, so there is not reason to believe that any of this user's work is original.
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Malkazoid ·
Thank you @Christina Gleason !
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Malkazoid ·
Yes - I should have made that more clear in my post - I had reached the same conclusion.
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MOLLY O ·
I understand your concern and we will look into the postings. Just to be clear - you don't earn rewards for your reputation. That said, we have mentioned in a couple of these threads that there is an existing reputation bug so we are aware and will fix when we can. Low quality content will not be rewarded - the best thing you can do is downvote it for low quality. High volume of low quality should yield little return. BTW, In the future, we will have box for you to provide the URL for AUP...
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Christina Gleason ·
@MOLLY O I understand how much must be going into this stuff behind the scenes, but you can see how NOT erasing the bad actor with payout coming up seems more than a little bit troublesome to those of us creating and posting our original content. Any rewards being paid out to bad actors are rewards taken directly from the pockets of everyone who's doing things legitimately.
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MOLLY O ·
@Christina Gleason . You must have missed the first sentence of my reply to which I said we would look into this as Malkazoid reported.
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Colleen Ryer ·
Thanks for the heads up.
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Christina Gleason ·
It's been a long day. Thanks.
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Malkazoid ·
@MOLLY O - thanks. Just one observation - I expect Thankgod will receive rewards for the content because it is not uniformly being recognised as bad content. As I explained, it seems the community had not been able to sufficiently recognise or keep up with the fraud, so quite a few of the posts had a pristine, or above average quality rating. That might change now ... thankfully. I'm glad to read the inference that you were already on top of this, observing and planning how to deal with this!
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Malkazoid ·
The link to the copyright infringement post that Ocrdu had commented on - as predicted, is now deleted. https://www.narrative.org/post/dog-sketch Did Thankgod remove it, or did the @Narrative Network Team ? Hopefully there will be a solution implemented soon so the deletion of the post still leaves a thread that can be accessed so people's comments still exist. There is a fundamental problem with users being able to delete other people's writing. This also begs the question - what happens to...
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Christina Gleason ·
Yes, it's disheartening to see how many upvotes they have, enough for some stolen images to be Featured. I mean, yeah, some of the images are really good...but that's because they were another artist's work. I'm especially angry about this because Thankgod argued with me when I made the mistake of commenting that neither pencil sketches nor watercolor paintings belong in both the Painting and Sketches niches, and that's when I noticed the retaliatory downvoting of some of my posts. (I've...
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Malkazoid ·
@Christina Gleason - I agree he is part of a voting circle. His posts are regularly getting 17 to 20 upvotes, for pixelated images of sketches that are completely generic. This is not the activity of people randomly upvoting in order to game their activity points upwards because that tide would raise all boats. Instead the low quality content Thankgod posts is receiving consistently way above average upvotes. I'm regularly getting downvotes on my content too - it sucks and it is another...
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , I not only fully agree, but I also noticed the pattern two weeks ago (and ThankGod, and not just him) before having evidence. " I may be wrong and I've no evidence, so I'm not going to speak openly, but I see strange connections between a few accounts. And logic tells that the good boy won't use a single account" ( https://community.narrative.or...10#16940894239600010 ). But I've been scolded for saying that. In fact, I didn't have evidence, at the time, so I'm glad about your...
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Malkazoid ·
@Vico Biscotti I remember when you wrote the quote above. In fact I remember the response, perhaps from @David Dreezer , suggesting folks should avoid forming a Narrative Posse... or something to that effect. I remember this well, because it underlined a fascinating contradiction: on the one hand I completely understand the limits and dangers of vigilante justice. On the other, Narrative expects the Community to police itself. It is integral to Narrative's setup, and we're told in a dozen...
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Vico Biscotti ·
And comments, of course. Too many write those serial comments just for visibility (which in part we all know is necessary, of course) but where do you put those comments? On a psychology article of 7 min read? No. Just below a picture or few baiting words. That's the quality that will be rewarded by the number of comments. And I was also said that comments are a measure of quality, even in case of mismatch with votes. No comment on that (pun intended). Useless to say, @Malkazoid , I agree...
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Colleen Ryer ·
The people with the most time on the site will likely spot the most iffy stuff, but even here, viewing habits can get in the way. Even really obvious cheating can missed unless it's pointed out. This will improve, but will be offset by increases in post volume. IMO if there were bots, it would be hopeless. Without bots, and a little less "autopilot" when viewing, it's probably doable - but of course there are other factors that need looking at, too, but beyond the scope of this thread.
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , food for the mind from @Colleen Ryer , in case it was needed: https://community.narrative.or...76#17504021789093776 .
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ThankGod ·
He that must go to equity must go with clean hands... I acknowledge the efforts of the Narrative Team to create and maintain the best content network in the universe, and must apologize openly as a newbie and promise not post any other work existing on the internet as @malkazoid narrated it out of proportion. @malkazoid You claim to be among the founding members of narrative, but I can figure that out in your action and character deformation message written by you, while I only followed your...
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ThankGod ·
He that must go to equity must go with clean hands... I acknowledge the efforts of the Narrative Team to create and maintain the best content network in the universe, and must apologize openly as a newbie and promise not post any other work existing on the internet as @malkazoid narrated it out of proportion. @malkazoid You claim to be among the founding members of narrative, but I can figure that out in your action and character deformation message written by you, while I only followed your...
 
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