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YOUR REPUTATION GOING UP : ) OR NOT : (

Harj ·
A important part of your experience on Narrative is your Reputation. Your have a Reputation Score that is based on all of the actions taken by you a bit like in The good place (On netflix!! love it). : ) remember Eleanor Shellstrop! Anyway all content is rated based on your opinions, your reputation always influences Content Ratings. And how your content is rated impacts your reputation. (Still with me ?) This way your reputation reflects the actions you make, as well as how others perceive...
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Whitmal ·
hi I'll risk mine to voice my concern over Bitebtc. I am nonplussed with the decision to list there.
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Emily Barnett ·
I am curious to know, and have asked the question previously if and how our community reputation will be ported over to our Chaucer profiles, since the two are not connected.
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Michael Farris ·
Very likely not. There will be an entirely new reputation engine in Narrative so porting over ranking from here isn't realistic and probably not fair to newbies coming into Narrative. For example, once this first airdrop is done for Community participation we will simply reset everyone to zero to start over in phase 2. That gives people who have joined recently a chance to join in on an equal footing. BTW -- one very large difference between this Hoop.la ranking/ points system and Narrative...
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Malkazoid ·
Me too... And while we're asking this again, I'd like to know whether the system will reflect the effort folks put into voting and commenting on niches as well? It would be good to motivate everyone to take part in that.
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Malkazoid ·
Is it not a good exchange? Sorry, not super well-versed in all the exchanges. Can you say more?
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Malkazoid ·
I can see how ranking won't make sense in the release reputation system, but surely some of the work folks are doing here will translate into some aspect of that new system? Speaking of fairness - I don't think newbies would be too concerned over people already having established reputations if they have been around for many months longer than them. That's the nature of things - newcomers have to prove themselves, old timers already have. The unfair thing would be to wipe the slate...
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Malkazoid ·
I agree with Emily. A small difference - I was aware that the ranking system would not carry over into the actual Narrative platform. But several community members (myself included) had expressed a while back that it would make little sense if the platform launched without extracting some form of basis for reputation from the very important activity that takes place up until launch. I had assumed that our user accounts on the main platform would indeed be credited with some form of...
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Emily Barnett ·
Actually based on your answer @Michael Farris i don't see the logic why porting over this forums points isn't likely...quite the opposite. You say that your score is based on time and behavior, but then you say that to be fair to newbies everyone will be reset to zero. This seems hypocritical. So what you are saying, is that the people whom have just put in a massive amount of time to help build this community on this forum, that it just doesn't count for anything? How is that logical or...
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Emily Barnett ·
Well I am guilty of making this assumption. However like you @Malkazoid I am wary of the pitfalls in assumption, which is why I asked this question weeks ago on another thread and got no response. Hence, I asked the question again today. I doubt I am alone in my misunderstanding. But even if you did know, that does not dismiss the hypocrisy. If this forum was filled with fluff content, I could see why they are unwilling to assign reputation based on it. But that is not the case. The majority...
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Michael Farris ·
I'll stay with the statement that reputation is such a different beast in Narrative that there is nowhere to plug in something like 5743 points and #18 in ranking. Anything bodged together to try will fail and occasion complaints. Better to start afresh. Think of it like starting college in the fall. All your grades and awards from high school? Something to be proud of, of course. But the first day of classes is the same for all. You build your reputation in the new system from there. Trust...
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Emily Barnett ·
@Michael Farris I appreciate your observation, that I and others have an immense headstart. I have been putting my energy into building my reputation on this platform, and I have been taking it away from other platforms, both centralized and decentralized, in an effort to significantly strengthen that headstart. Hence my sharp response. Unfortunately I don't agree with your analogy. You see I am not starting "college" in Q4. I actually started "college" in Q1, and you just told me that my...
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Emily Barnett ·
My post asking the core team about porting reputation to Chaucer. It had six likes so clearly other people may not be clear that the reputation on the community board has nothing to do with a person's reputation on Chaucer. There was no reply from the core team, or any community member, about my question. I have read a lot of what has been written about Narrative including the section on the 200,000 NRVE token give away. A lot. I did not read that the points earned on the community forum DO...
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Michael Farris ·
Sorry - we're now arguing an analogy so I'll stop now. Please also be careful with hypocrisy related language.
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Soňa ·
Hello everyone, well this was certainly a little unexpected.... I will not elaborate on fairness points because they were quite well stated by @Emily Barnett and @Malkazoid . I agree with both of you. I also didn't expect the ranking to be 100% transported to beta but I expected there would be some sort of continuity, relationship. As it was mentioned some people spent a lot of time and energy on this and it would be only natural to reward them somehow since this is kind of system that...
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Emily Barnett ·
No @Michael Farris we are not arguing an analogy. We are discussing the teams decision that our activity ie. the content that we have been contributing to cannot possibly be ported to our chaucer reputation. This is now the second time that you have dismissed me, and given me warnings to stop expressing my view point on this community forum, because they seemingly differ from your own. I have given nothing but thoughtful observations that are from my perspective. I have been extremely...
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Emily Barnett ·
@Soňa and @Malkazoid thank you for voicing your concerns as well. I think that if the @Narrative Network Team can create a disruptor social media platform that rewards people financially for it's activity and to create a reputation system, it can surely come up with a way to credit some of the work that we have already been contributing over to our chaucer reputation, even if it is by human evaluation. It isn't hard to figure out who has been providing quality content in an effort to build...
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Banter ·
I think this makes a lot of sense. Thanks for taking the time to illuminate some of the details about reputation going forward. The people contributing a ton right now will reap the benefit through the 200k NRVE rewards....I think that is more than fair.
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Brian Lenz ·
Hi all, I just wanted to drop in and add a bit of background from a technical perspective. In order to provide context, I need to first reiterate that the platform we are using here ( Hoop.la ) is an online community platform. It's really nothing like what Narrative is going to be. What we are using here is a traditional discussion forum to discuss ideas and share inspiration, which is quite different from the long-form content platform Narrative will be. Hoop.la has a primitive points and...
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks @Emily Barnett . You are voicing this in a way I believe represents the very natural concern every person who has been engaged in helping Narrative probably feels at this point. @Brian Lenz - thanks for the in depth explanation. It is helpful to know these things. Unfortunately there is a flaw in your approach. Fortunately (for me), it is a very easy one to communicate, so I won't have to expend too much effort doing so. I earn more money in the real world than any NRVE reward that...
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Emily Barnett ·
@Brian Lenz I appreciate you taking the time to explain this perspective. I appreciate what you are saying but here is another perspective to consider from the user's end, which imo is pretty important. 1. Yes, myself and others may have made an assumption that this forum goes to our reputation. But I have not come across where you communicate that it does not. Likewise I looked for clarification from the team on a thread that most of the core team had already posted on, so there really...
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David Dreezer ·
I think that you meant to post to the bitebtc topic.... Not sure what email address you are using. Those of us using GMAIL got immediate responses. Those using HOTMAIL never got a replay at all. Not sure which you use if either of them. Can you post over to the appropriate topic and I will continue to help you.
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Harj ·
I have had to write to them (Bitebtc) to help me as I never recieve any verification email ever!!! and I have sent a few requests and checked my email inside and out! nothing
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Emily Barnett ·
Once again @Malkazoid we see things from a very similar vantage point. Thank you for taking the time to write this. As I said earlier in this thread, this is content. all of the community board is content. I believe your suggestion is very smart! If it is possible technically, all of the posts should be preserved as its own Niche and Narrative Genesis is an interesting name for it. I think you reiterate my points and expand on several of them very well. I am deeply insulted that no...
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Banter ·
@Malkazoid , as a fellow founder, I never thought that we were currently accruing reputation points during this phase. My understanding was always that reputation will be important once we officially launch. To be honest, I thought you and @Emily Barnett were just going after the NRVE rewards during this trial period based on all of the activity I've been seeing / and were just super pumped about the project. Please try not to take this the wrong way, but I feel like what is really coming...
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Malkazoid ·
Don't worry - I'm not taking it the wrong way. I know in my case, and I strongly suspect in Emily's case, that you are simply incorrect. Being wrong is not insulting to me I think I've articulated already that the important thing is to properly motivate people, to not miss good opportunities for the network, and to act in accordance with Narrative principles. Actions speak louder than words, in the end - and the actions of doomed ventures, in hindsight, always herald their demise, regardless...
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Malkazoid ·
@Narrative Network Team , @Brian Lenz A simple proposal for a Narrative Genesis niche. 1) Each first post from this discussion forum site could be set up as a post in the niche. All subsequent posts in that thread could be ported as comments to that initial post. 2) Posts and comments could be likeable by members after launch, whether the likes from this forum are included in the ported Narrative Genesis niche or not. The ultimate, if technically feasible, would be to have historic likes...
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Malkazoid ·
To the @Narrative Network Team , on a constructive and technical note, I think there is probably a way of analysing the data from this discussion forum, and translating it into one or more facets of Narrative platform reputation. The easiest, and I think smartest way, is what I proposed above: porting all of this content into a special archive niche, perhaps called Narrative Genesis. Then run the reputation algorithm on that niche in a 'historic' mode, to compute a reputation effect from a...
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks Whitmal - I think I can safely say we all want to see Narrative succeed, and we've simply understood that that success requires our hard work, not just when the platform launches, but just as importantly, now. I'm glad you feel the same way! Thanks - this is valuable information and hopefully will start a good conversation on the matter. May I suggest you paste that into a new thread so it can be fully explored there? I know very little about crypto exchanges, and there are no doubt...
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Emily Barnett ·
Well done @Malkazoid i would also like to add that there is plenty of money raised in both the initial ICO and the niche purchase that the team could hire someone on contract to actually port this content over to his suggested ownerless niche, prior to the launch of beta. And a further suggestion -- the money that is raised from this ownerless niche could be set aside as a contingency fund for any legal costs that arise, or for the first Narrative Conference. Honestly, the teams stance that...
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Whitmal ·
Hi, Reputation: All the founders and patrons have spent months building the base layer-the core--the niches. Those that were most involved rose in the ranks and lead the way--The top 10-15 really did this. Harj, Emily, Malkazoid, and a few others really have given it their all. NOW I see we won't get this hard earned reputation, it will not transfer to the final edition of narrative. The newbie should not factor in this decision because they did not give money to narrative. They did not give...
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Whitmal ·
Just looked at Bitebtc again. They want you to send a picture of a recent bill. NO GO! I can't stress this enough people. If you send all that information to them then you are trusting a No name exchange with all the information a hacker would need to steal your identity. Edited due to oversight. Apologies to team. I think Switheo is soon. Just wait.
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Emily Barnett ·
Dear @Narrative Network Team I have been waiting for a response from you on this important thread. I have even attempted to prompt a response, over on telegram. Time is ticking on this thread; the reset is imminent. The team's radio silence is deafening! This raises even bigger concerns for me. Given the likes and comments on this page, the articulate commenting, and the private messages I have been receiving, I think it is fair to say a strong cross section of the community is not happy...
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Malkazoid ·
My guess is the Team is discussing this. With the intensity of feelings about this matter, it may feel as if more time has elapsed than actually has - @Michael Farris only posted 2 days ago that reputation would not be earned. And I introduced the idea of porting these discussions to a niche on the definitive platform, only 2 days ago. Add to this that about 80-90 percent of that 2 day period has been over a weekend, and I think there is a pretty good chance that the silence is still within...
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Emily Barnett ·
I hope so. with 9pm only nine hours away...I really hope so. My husband always tells me "Emily, you are the most patient, impatient person I know." lol.
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Malkazoid ·
I guess that's the other awesome thing about porting all this content to a niche on the platform: the decision to do so can be made well after any reset might take place - with no harm done. As long as all of this isn't thrown away, the reputation algorithms get applied to it at launch. Any reset of current activity points needs have no bearing... Every way I look at it, using all of this formative content on Narrative is an intuitive solution to multiple problems, including the difficulty...
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About Content and Niche Ratings

Ted ·
Recently, we've had a couple of niches that are obviously targeting "mature audiences" and the question was rightfully asked: "Are those appropriate?" We're still developing the Narrative Constitution and its overall acceptable use guidelines, but there are some key concepts we wanted to clarify. 1. Content will be rated in terms of age-appropriateness. We have not finalized the rating definitions, but the best analogy is the movie rating system. There will likely be three ratings levels -...
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mrgoodsett ·
Thanks Mr Ted.
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks @Ted - I think after the initial scramble when those explicit niches came up, the community has now settled into trusting this is issue is squarely on your radar. This thread helps to underline things are underway. Just one item I wanted to flag with you: This sounds intuitive, however there is a risk with this, of a window of danger before the community can vote for the niche rating to change. I hope we can come up with some way of closing that window. Perhaps a niche can be excluded...
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Emily Barnett ·
So porn is ok, as long it is rated R? There was a lot of people...not just me that were vocal they did not want porn on Narrative. Can someone please just take a step backwards ... take the time-- please, to tell me what is the motivation for going down this road? Why are we doing this as a community? I am serious.
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Malkazoid ·
I think what @Ted has shared here has value even though it does not directly and definitively address the subject of porn yet. I remain in favour of porn NOT being ok for the first 6-12 months after launch, and for the question to then be revisited? That buffer period could be extended indefinitely until the Team feels we have the luxury of contemplating such things: in other words once Narrative is booming and beyond its more fragile initial growth stages? The topic is a quagmire, and...
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Emily Barnett ·
Well I seriously had hopes that Narrative could be a platform that in the year 2018 decided it didn't want to go down the path of objectifying women. But I guess we need to see boobs in everything we do. I have nothing more to say, because it doesn't matter. The team is making this decision.
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Ted ·
Re @Malkazoid : Definitely worth considering! I see your point, but I'm not sure a disclaimer would accomplish much. The real (potential) harm IMO is a minor seeing a niche title that is inappropriate. If we wait for the community to rate the niche (from an age appropriateness standpoint), that could prevent the niche from being seen by many users for awhile and you risk hurting the majority of niches that are not trying to appeal to an older audience. One other option would be to allow the...
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Ted ·
I have not commented AT ALL about community standards or acceptable use policy, because that has not been finalized. This topic was simply about letting everyone know about content ratings and how they will work. And I assure you there will be base line standards for acceptable use. Of course, it will still be up to the Narrative Community to enforce those standards.
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Emily Barnett ·
I appreciate your comment @Ted I know that you are trying to work things out. But I thought community standards would have had more R&D before the ICO stage. It is surprising to me. From this side of the wall, when we don't hear any response, and the first real response per our view, is that the team has almost unanimously approved the Gone Wild Niche in tribunal, and then your written response addressing Gone Wild is the content rating for specifically addressing "adult-orientated"...
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Malkazoid ·
I am very sympathetic to your position Emily, as well as in agreement that Porn is incompatible with the image that is put forth by Narrative. But in fairness to Ted - you've pounced on him when his initial post had important information that I think he was hoping we would read and discuss, rather then transform the thread into another argument about porn. This is precisely why I support a swift decision to delay any discussion of porn on narrative, and to not allow porn during that time:...
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Emily Barnett ·
I don't mean to pounce. sorry about that, but @Malkazoid it right, more timely responses on some of these hotter topics are important. Checking in and simply saying..."We are listening and working on these topics". Would greatly help tensions subside. I just thought about this. Regarding ratings and specifically nudity which is seemingly accepted. Yes you could be correct if Gone Wild sticks to it's standards of selfies only, then in theory we have a way of monitoring. However this niche is...
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Malkazoid ·
I think the expectation is for the moderators, community monitoring, and the reputation system to take care of most issues that arise from inappropriate content (I do realise there are no moderators on personal journals...) But there could be a valid argument to be made in favour of not allowing nudity at all on personal journals?
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Banter ·
I agree with @Emily Barnett and @Malkazoid about not really wanting porn here...but I think it becomes a slippery slope. There is lots of potentially objectionable content out there that some may find much more offensive than some T & A. I think ultimately, if it is legal content, it should be allowed, but it should be categorized in the proper niches so that people don't stumble across it by accident. The subject of advertisers is interesting. I have no experience with advertising.
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Emily Barnett ·
CNN just did that. it was a big story about 10 days ago...they called up advertisers and asked why they were advertising on hate speech channels on Youtube. Youtube doesn't allow nudity so this isn't the exact situation.
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