Tagged With "ratings"

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YOUR REPUTATION GOING UP : ) OR NOT : (

Harj ·
A important part of your experience on Narrative is your Reputation. Your have a Reputation Score that is based on all of the actions taken by you a bit like in The good place (On netflix!! love it). : ) remember Eleanor Shellstrop! Anyway all content is rated based on your opinions, your reputation always influences Content Ratings. And how your content is rated impacts your reputation. (Still with me ?) This way your reputation reflects the actions you make, as well as how others perceive...
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About Content and Niche Ratings

Ted ·
Recently, we've had a couple of niches that are obviously targeting "mature audiences" and the question was rightfully asked: "Are those appropriate?" We're still developing the Narrative Constitution and its overall acceptable use guidelines, but there are some key concepts we wanted to clarify. 1. Content will be rated in terms of age-appropriateness. We have not finalized the rating definitions, but the best analogy is the movie rating system. There will likely be three ratings levels -...
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Question About Content Ratings.

Emily Barnett ·
Quick question. I could ask it on telegram, but i am thinking others may want to know the answer too. Can a niche decide that they won't accept R rated content? I have a niche that could potentially have R rated submissions, but i want my entire niche to be available to everyone. Please let me know before Beta goes live, because I mentioned it in a post.
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Niche Edit Request

Nuno Moreiras ·
Hey, I have just submitted a niche edit request for "Rate Me" niche to "Rate Me (Photography)" and I see that tribunal members Brian Lenz has rejected stating that: "Putting Photography in the name is a material change to the Niche in my opinion, so I’m voting to reject." I just wanted to state that I believe this is the exact opposite of my intention. Photography IS the material of the Niche! If I want to start the aproval for a "Rate Me (Art)" for example, I will be unable to do so,...
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Disagree with viewpoint seems to count for rating

Vico Biscotti ·
I just downvoted a comment as "disagree with viewpoint". The comment had 1 vote and no rating. As soon as I voted, the comment went rating 100%, with two votes, as if the two votes were upvotes. But if downvoting for disagreement doesn't count for rating, I'd expect the rating to remain unspecified, because still only 1 vote which counts for rating is there. If rating was unspecified before my vote, it's reasonable to expect it to remain unspecified.
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Ratings on posts.

VC Nickels ·
Can someone explain this to me because there is obviously not simple math going on. I have a post, it has two votes. Since the options are either Up or Down I *should* be at 100%, 50%, or 0%. It's at 1%... Given this, I'm assuming that votes are weighted which sets up an elite class of users who can completely wipe a user out for no real reason other than they can.
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Undo Rating, Audience, and Comment Votes

Willem Van Zyl ·
If I accidentally voted on something I'd like to be able to undo that with another click, not necessary just switch to the opposite vote.
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Vote and Rating

Hans Gruber ·
Dear community, Recently, I have posted my first article on Narrative; namely: https://www.narrative.org/post/the-true-greatness-of-the-human-being # As far as I understand it, the "rating" of an article depends on anonymous "votes". So if the "votes" are negative, the resultant "rating" is zero But there are numerous reasons why people give either a negative or a positive vote - and these are by no means all good reasons. A well founded and written article e. g., but with an unusual...
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Re: Question About Content Ratings.

Christina Gleason ·
I know I've suggested at least one niche where the description specified that content must be family-friendly, but I don't know if there's any way to technically enforce that other than through moderation.
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Re: Question About Content Ratings.

Emily Barnett ·
I really hope there is. It isn't fair to make moderators have to look at r Rated material for a niche that doesn't want to have that type of content.
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Re: Question About Content Ratings.

MichelleG ·
Surely there can be PG and R rated versions of the same niche. However, what I actually thing should eventually happen here is that active niche subscribers can vote on restrictions.
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Re: Question About Content Ratings.

Emily Barnett ·
If that is the case, then all moderators must be over 18 then by default. What mechanisms are in place to ensure that.
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Re: Question About Content Ratings.

MichelleG ·
They'd have to be over 18 for R rated niches anyway. That means KYC. Unless we end up abandoning the needing KYC to view R material requirement. It IS rather strict AND non-standard.
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Re: Question About Content Ratings.

Emily Barnett ·
Yes, but your respond swings it right back around to what I asked. Can you make your niche ONLY G rated. That is a preference I would like to have. You have suggested that we can have G and R ratings for the same niche. What if my moderators don't want to view R rated content. If we don't separate that idea that niches can determine the content rating then by proxy we are saying that all moderators have to be over 18 and they must be prepared to moderate nude photos. I don't now if I read...
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Re: Question About Content Ratings.

MichelleG ·
Thinking some more about this - Only allowing G content doesn't stop mods from viewing inappropriately self-tagged content. And if some do and some don't permit other than G content, than like it or not niches are de facto split into R rated and G rated. Personally, I don't mind saying I'm against linking the KYC to the ability to view self-styled adult content. But that could just be jetlag from having recently gone through the Facebook process for getting authorized to do political ads...
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Re: Ratings on posts.

David Dreezer ·
Votes are reputation weighted, yes, as you can see in the spec https://spec.narrative.org/doc...g-and-voting-formula
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Re: Ratings on posts.

VC Nickels ·
I see... OK. That sets up an elite class of users since voting is anonymous and thus there is no recourse or consequence to actions.
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Re: Ratings on posts.

Robert Nicholson ·
It simply means that users with higher reputation - in other words, users who have earned the trust of the Narrative community - carry more weight. One important benefit is that it makes it hard for a user to create a bunch of sock-puppet accounts to upvote their posts, since those accounts will carry very little weight.
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Re: Ratings on posts.

Nrve ·
The downvote system isn't working well and you are not the only one unhappy with it. https://www.narrative.org/post...r-tier-upvote-system
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Re: Ratings on posts.

Nrve ·
https://www.narrative.org/post...r-tier-upvote-system
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Re: Ratings on posts.

VC Nickels ·
So... an elite class. Thanks for the confirmation.
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Re: Ratings on posts.

VC Nickels ·
In Fact , I'm going to take this a step further. You start in the hole. While not technically in the negative, new users are potentially stifled by a low rating. Because of this, It's possible for a single user with a high status to bury a new user. This curtails content creation. Everyone's votes for a post should be 1:1 and Reputation should start at 100 and that should be the max (or what ever, the US like big numbers so call it 1000 if you like). Up/Down votes on a post should apply to a...
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Re: Ratings on posts.

Robert Nicholson ·
A user with high reputation can just as well boost your post - why assume that people don't like your posts? More to the point, I believe a certain minimum number of votes (5?) is required before the quality of the post is officially tabulated. I could be wrong about that... maybe DAVID DREEZER will clarify. I think that the voting system will seem less arbitary as the number of users increases, and posts get more votes.
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Re: Ratings on posts.

David Dreezer ·
It isn't the number of posts, @Robert Nicholson , but you're really close. A post has to reach a 1.0 point total. The breakdown of how the weighing works for voting is here .
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Re: Ratings on posts.

VC Nickels ·
I'm not assuming anything. It's how the internet works. Regardless, there is clearly an elite class that act as Gate Keepers. This will, and arguably has already, stifled or barred new users.
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Re: Ratings on posts.

VC Nickels ·
I stand by my statement.
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Re: Ratings on posts.

David Dreezer ·
Well, that's certainly a discussion ender then, isn't it?
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Nrve ·
He does have a point though, there is a lot of negativity on the internet we don't need to empower people with negative tools.
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Re: Ratings on posts.

VC Nickels ·
Is it? I mean that's an odd attitude from someone that works for a company that wants people to use it's platform.
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Re: Ratings on posts.

VC Nickels ·
That or set up something where a very few users at the top can dictate how people use the platform. If any of us wanted that, we'd go to Reddit.
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Re: Undo Rating, Audience, and Comment Votes

Vico Biscotti ·
Oh YES!!!
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Re: Undo Rating, Audience, and Comment Votes

Christina Gleason ·
I have done this so many times. Right now, the only way to "undo" a vote so that it doesn't affect rewards is to downvote with "disagree with viewpoint." Although I'm presupposing that this does not affect rewards because it doesn't affect the quality rating - so correct me if I'm wrong in that assumption.
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Re: Vote and Rating

Hans Gruber ·
Thanks. If this suggestion was realized a debate would ensue with the critic. But there is nothing wrong with a properly led debate. Rather, it is most instructive for the readers. It could e. g. be combined with a voting at its end (after a certain limited time span); and if the critic had lost it, he would be required to withdraw his negative vote on the article in question. This would also ensure a high quality of the debate!
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Re: Vote and Rating

Hans Gruber ·
What I don't understand, either: Votes on an article are especially problematic, if e. g. material disadvantages are connected with it. Besides, votes (possibly motivated by bad reasons) are not a reliable indication of the quality of an article. Even majorities don't need to be right. Numerous political, social or historical examples for this. So why votes on an article at all? Personally, I read the title and first paragraph of a given article, and then decide completely for myself whether...
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Re: Vote and Rating

Hans Gruber ·
Whether downvote, "disagree" or "low quality", it is just a viewpoint that needs to be explained. Otherwise, it is not fair; and in this case it invites the suspicion that there is no good reason for it. For a good reason could be easily defended, but a bad reason not. In this latter case, there should be no vote in the first place! For grown-ups should take resonsability for their views and certainly not hide behind anonymity.
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Re: Vote and Rating

Hans Gruber ·
Besides, who needs the unexplained (!) views of others to make a decision about the quality of an article? Only people who cannot think for themselves and come to their own view about an article; or who let themselves be easily influenced. This should not be supported.
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Re: Vote and Rating

Hans Gruber ·
On the proposal mentioned above: "If this suggestion was realized a debate would ensue with the critic. But there is nothing wrong with a properly led debate. Rather, it is most instructive for the readers. ...." # Proper (!) debates are rare; and it would be a very good project for Narrative to support them. There are certain rules to it, e. g.: # Each person has let's say seven statements, with each statement limited in its length, to avoid imprecision, palaver etc. # A panel of highly...
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Re: Vote and Rating

Robert Nicholson ·
In looking at your post, one thing comes immediately to mind. You included many images. Unless you are the owner of those images, or you properly licensed them, somebody may have found the original source and then downvoted your post for an AUP violation.
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Re: Vote and Rating

Hans Gruber ·
Thanks. # All images are from two friends - a Buddhist Malaysian designer and (the last) a German photographer. They gave me the permission earlier, but I will ask them again and then mention them there. I should have done it from the start. # The only other image, a Tesla quote on Akaasha and Praana, has been removed now and substituted with just a textual quote. # If it is not about the contents, but just about the image rights, there should not be a downvote in my view. Rather, there...
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Re: Vote and Rating

Robert Nicholson ·
Just to be very clear - it sounds like @Hans Gruber has been responsible about the sources of his images, so this is not about his post, but more to help everyone understand image copyrights. Contrary to what many people think, attributing an image does not make it OK to use. You must either own the rights, or have permission. And unless an image has been specifically released into the public domain, it is automatically protected by copyright law at the time of it's creation. It doesn't need...
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Re: Vote and Rating

Hans Gruber ·
Thanks, also for your different informative articles! So I guess that it is enough to say: "With kind permission of" the respective rights holders, after they have given it, and also the email or the website of the respective rights holders.
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Re: Vote and Rating

Vico Biscotti ·
I'm perfectly aware that downvotes can originate from abuses, @Hans Gruber , and we certainly need something to prevent this. Prevention by means of pattern detection is certainly possible and also by penalization of accounts with clearly abusive conducts. But at the same time, I'm favorable to downvotes and to downvotes to remain anonymous. We all agree that quality is subjective, but the rating is not about determining the quality of the article, rather its appreciation by the community,...
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Re: Vote and Rating

Hans Gruber ·
Thank you. But if "public downvoting" is problematic (and I see your points), just let the person remain anonymous! Where is the problem? BUT nonetheless make it an obligation for them to publically explain any downvote. As said before, good reasons can be easily defended, bad reasons not. There are certainly not always good reasons for a downvote! When it comes to philosophy, religion or spirituality there are numerous dubious reasons why a person can feel irritated. So let the downvoters...
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Re: Vote and Rating

Vico Biscotti ·
I'm still not convinced, @Hans Gruber . Voting is a subjective expression of appreciation. It's not a measure of "quality". As such, I don't feel the need for justifying the vote. I just feel the need to fight abuses, and that can be done in many ways, without the need to force members to justify their votes. As an example, months ago I suggested an alternative voting system which would not only remove downvotes but also abuses on voting. Details here:...
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Hans Gruber ·
Voting can just as much also be a subjective expression of bad reasons and letting the voter get away with it, as it is the case now! Obvious! Besides, who needs the unexplained (!!!) votes of others to come to a decision about the quality of an article? Only people who cannot form their own judgement and constantly look at the opinions of others. In the historical Buddha's teaching "manipulability" is one of the major obstacles to any truly higher development: What we are here for! And that...
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Re: Vote and Rating

Vico Biscotti ·
I'm not defending abuses, @Hans Gruber . Exactly the contrary. I've spoken against abuses since the beginning of this beta. And my suggestion about an alternative voting system also shows that I'm not defending any status quo. I'm only defending the reader right to not have to justify his or her vote. We have alternative ways to fight abuses. And it's the responsibility to the content creator to deduce what available feedback - or absence of feedback - means.
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Re: Vote and Rating

Hans Gruber ·
Let me put it simply: What is the rating percentage at the end of an article meant to serve? Why should people look at it before reading the article without bias, or before judging for themselves after the first paragraphs whether it is worth it? Give me one really good reason! But nothing said here against general reactions (by smileys e. g.), without any rating percentage deduced from it.
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Re: Vote and Rating

Hans Gruber ·
Sorry, just overlooked your last response. The content creator can be critisized for a whole number of reasons - good or bad ones. They cannot find out for what reasons exactly without any public explanations of the criticism. Impossible - wishful thinking. Moreover, it is not the job of the content creator to "deduce", as you say, with a lot of effort here or there what the reasons might be, in the end possibly not finding any good reason at all. Rather, it is the clear job of the critics...
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Re: Vote and Rating

Vico Biscotti ·
Rating is there for transparency, even if I can agree that's only partial transparency, at least at this stage of the platform. Can it influence the reader? Of course. As do titles, featured images, the author profile, the niches in which the article is published, the comments, the way the platform presents the piece, and so on. It's up to the reader to decide what is value for him or her. And if he or she is biased in this judgment... this is human nature. But I've experienced that rating...
 
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