Tagged With "redundant"

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The suggested Niché Relationship vs. Dating

Emily Barnett ·
Hi Narrative Peeps! Just wanted to put a support post up for @Zach Relationship niche. Currently it is at only 50%. I don't see this as redundant to dating. The two are very different. A marriage or common-law relationship is vastly different, with it's own set of topics and sub-genres, than a dating relationship, and therefore I am asking people to reconsider their negative vote. In the end don't we want people to get the niche's that they feel they can contribute to the best, as long as it...
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new Idea The Video Vault, Why vote No for redundancy?? there is not another similar, please VOTE YES

christian ·
why are people voting NO to the new idea the video vault? what approved niche is it redundant with??? id like to see why others vote no and say redundancy becuase i cant see any other niches similar. the VIDEO was rejected for poor description..and the ONLY other video niche is a Vlog which this is Clearly NOT a vlog.
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Redundant Nonprofit niche under consideration - redundant niche warning not working well

Malkazoid ·
Hey all, There is a new Nonprofit niche under consideration right now, but the Non Profit niche already exists. Please go to Chaucer and downvote this new one accordingly in order to avoid having to merge the two niches in the future. https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/8352348105331322 (If the person who proposed this new niche has an interest in nonprofit, please feel free to get in touch - I have the existing niche and perhaps we can work together to make it all that it can be).
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Roundup of Redundant Niches

Dana ·
These Niches are being voted toward passing. You may or may not agree with me that these Niches shouldn't be accepted, and that's OK. I'm just helping out the algorithms: Urban Legends (close to Mythology and Myth Busting ); Free Edu Online (close to Education and E-Learning ); Word Play (is this not poetry?); Programmer (close to Programming ); Automotive (close to Auto and Moto ); Vitality (already many 'Life' Niches); Process for Progress (already many 'Success' Niches); Forward Force...
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Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
Redundancy anyone? As you all probably know - Narrative niches need to be unique, clear, correctly spelled, and to not violate the Terms of Service . To coordinate down-voting of redundant or invalid niches, rather than creating dozens of threads, we can alert the community here in one place. Bookmark the thread for easy access, and follow the thread to be alerted via email when there are new posts. Remember - voting to validate or invalidate niches under review, builds your Narrative...
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Vintage Glamour is redundant to Vintage Style

Emily Barnett ·
Hi Folks, lots of people are voting for Vintage Glamour but as the owner of Vintage Style I see this as way too redundant. The suggestion is trying to be a broad catch-all, which i already own. case in point: the dictionary term for Style: . a distinctive appearance, typically determined by the principles according to which something is designed. "the pillars are no exception to the general style" a particular design of clothing. synonyms: fashion , trend , vogue , mode "modern styles" a way...
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But is Really Redundant?

Emily Barnett ·
So I was just about to vote on Voiceover and started to read the debating comments about the differences and overlaps to Voice Acting. Vote Acting is not purchased. This of course brings up a nagging question I keep posing to myself...If no one has purchased the niche is it actually redundant? I mean if it is sitting in the narrative abyss with no owner, and no moderator candidates, than why is this truly considered redundant. There are multiple niches up for election right now, being...
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KYC, founders and Patrons. certification fee

Emily Barnett ·
Hi, lots to talk about today. But a question that came to my mind earlier, and was just reiterated by a fellow member, is why are the Founders and Patrons having to certify when we already did that to participate pre-ICO. our accounts have been set up in Alpha based on proving we are real people. Why should we have to do it again, and this time pay a fee? Did we suddenly become fake people?
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Niche purpose: Does name niche or description carry more weight?

Christina Gleason ·
I'm going to preface this by stating the precedent the Tribunal has already set forth with the BLOG niche - saying that the name clearly made it the top level niche about blogging even though the description was a hot mess - and the Haiku niche - which had an edit denied to change the name to be more inclusive of other poetry forms, because the Tribunal believed the niche was clearly intended to ONLY be about Haiku. So we have a PRECEDENT where the niche name matters a whole lot more than...
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Redundancy in "Story" niches

Christina Gleason ·
I haven't published any substantive non-Narrative related content in a while, and I've been looking at some of my drafted posts and trying to figure out which niches might be most appropriate. I came across a problem when it comes to active niches that seem to be fairly interchangeable, aka redundant. I don't know how this can be best resolved, so I wanted to bring it up as a topic of conversation among community members and, if they have accounts on the Support Community, the niche owners...
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Re: The suggested Niché Relationship vs. Dating

Alex Shepherd ·
I think you have a solid point Emily. I would consider these two different niches myself. Not to mention Relationship could mean more than one kind of relationship.
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Re: The suggested Niché Relationship vs. Dating

Malkazoid ·
I agree - it is definitely a different niche. Folks had no difficulty differentiating between Car, Motorcycle and Auto & moto: three different niches. But dating vs relationships? Not so easy... Society's to blame!
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Re: Roundup of Redundant Niches

MOLLY O ·
@Dana . Thanks for the work on Niches. Some of these may be duplicates - and others are related but may not be duplicates. Regardless, that is what voters should be looking at. One of the challenges we are having is that some folks are trying to come up with very "creative" names for the same things. Creativity is great — but Narrators need to think about this in terms of search and identification for posting content. We have been diving deep into the Niche behavior during this alpha to help...
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Re: Vintage Glamour is redundant to Vintage Style

Malkazoid ·
Hey Emily, You convinced me - I've changed my vote. You may get some more eyes on this by posting it to the following thread: Redundant/invalid niches, report them here The theory with that thread is if we subscribe to it by hitting the 'Like This Topic' button, as a couple of folks have already, we get emails when folks post about new, problematic niches, and the thread becomes increasingly efficient at broadcasting and getting eyes on the problem.
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Re: Vintage Glamour is redundant to Vintage Style

Emily Barnett ·
thanks @Malkazoid
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Christina Gleason ·
I think there are a LOT of issues surrounding unpurchased niches, especially those that were approved early on and probably aren't attracting buyers because of their poor descriptions, and potential buyers don't realize they can be edited after purchase. The redundancy issue is only one of these problems.
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Jayme Soulati ·
For me, some of the niches are sooo obtuse, and I'm interested in watching how they will generate content in such a specialty arena. It feels like some Niche Rules ought to be developed e.g. 1. If a Niche is unpurchased after four months, it is deleted (and can be recreated). 2. Niche 'police' need to comb the unpurchased Niches for grammatical and spelling errors or lack of description and vote them down so they are updated. I cringe when reading titles and descriptions that are incomplete.
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Christina Gleason ·
I went through a number of pages of niches up for auction a week or so ago and attempted to appeal them to be changed to rejected on this basis. I haven't received emails about all of them, but the ones where I did, their status remained unchanged, and they sit there, unpurchased, because their names and/or descriptions are terrible and definitely do NOT live up to what Molly's blog post about quality niche names and descriptions should be.
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Jayme Soulati ·
OK! It's not just me as a new member of community. I'm hopeful that prior to beta, the founders will step in and boost the professionalism of what's hanging with no takers. Or, is that a role we need to take and make happen? Put out a forum post with action items? IDK!!
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

David Dreezer ·
Why? Why do we just have to do that? Narrative is in everybody. I t's in the young, the old, The fat, the skinny, The white, the black The brown and the blue People got Narrative in 'em too. There isn't a professionlism rank required, proof of education, an ability to spell or use perfect grammar. It's for People. Just. Me, you, my next door neighbor with too many cats. People. We will have people with broken English. We will have people that cannot type well or spell well. And we should...
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Jayme Soulati ·
That's very interesting and a perspective I didn't have until now. Thanks for sharing that.
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Christina Gleason ·
I can understand not requiring proper grammar and spelling from content creators once this whole thing launches, but misspelling is literally one of our multiple choice reasons to reject niches. Unclear names and descriptions are another of our multiple choice reasons to reject. As a content creator, I'm not going to select a poorly named, poorly described niche for where my content appears because it will affect the visibility (and earnings) my content will get. If Narrative staff is...
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Malkazoid ·
So a few things to tease apart here. First - I don't think the Voiceover niche is redundant with the Voice Acting niche. As someone already pointed out in the comments (MichelleG, I think), voice over is narration, voice acting is being the voice of a character. The point raised concerning niches that have not been purchased yet, and which have worse names, and/or descriptions... is interesting! It would be an improvement to the system for voters to be able to consciously vote in the new...
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Jayme Soulati ·
EXCELLENT and thank you for contributing to this thread.
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Malkazoid ·
Christina, I just wanted you to know that it isn't just you: I'm not autistic, and I think the conflicting messages are not helpful. I think it is very important for the team to message clearly about this as soon as possible, but definitely before launch. I don't think they are aware of the gap in communication. It is very easy to believe you have been clear about something you understand inside out, because you designed it, or because you share office space with the people who are leading...
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

David Dreezer ·
Nowhere in my post did I say to ignore any of that. What I am saying is that let's not go so out to the edge of "professionalism" that we block off the platform for the normal you and me people. You, yourself pointed out that people can fix typos after they purchase a niche. Problem is, that if someone makes a typo in a Niche suggestion it is immediately voted down, can never be purchased, and can never have the innocent typo fixed. And Molly wrote a guide to help people learn to write good...
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Malkazoid ·
I hear you David. But there is no mechanism in place to make sure the mistakes will get corrected. It is one thing to make it possible for people to correct mistakes. It is entirely another thing for them to actually do it. It needs to get done.
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Christina Gleason ·
@Malkazoid I don't think it's too early for people like you, me, Denis, and new members like Jayme to start campaigning for community Tribunal elections. We don't always agree on specific niche decisions - and that's important - but our own personal votes to accept or reject are based on the guidelines we were presented with and our interpretation of what will be best to make Narrative a successful platform and not just a joke. I have to think VERY hard before voting to reject anything,...
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Malkazoid ·
I'm sure that's no fun, but it will be even less fun to have to respond to hundreds of people, a few months from now, asking why the content categories of the platform weren't run through a spell-checker. I imagine that's going to be your job too, so lets think ahead. I think there is a diplomatic way to tell those people that they are very welcome on Narrative, and that people are accustomed to making allowances for people who don't have perfect English on the internet, when in...
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Malkazoid ·
I agree, and I'm happy to put my hand up for the Tribunal when the time comes. Right now, that's many moons away. I don't think the Team agrees with the upsides we've identified to having Tribunal elections sooner - in any case they never responded to the conversation where this was raised. So for now, I'm concerned with trying to get them to acknowledge the problem and fix it themselves.
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Christina Gleason ·
This. This is why I vote the way I do, even if I'm the only person to vote to reject. As someone else suggested the other day, reducing the 7-day penalty for having your suggested niche rejected would help a LOT, especially now that rep is live. A time-out for suggesting niches no longer seems necessary. A person can choose to ignore the advice given to successfully suggest a niche, but then their reputation will be burned to the ground. That's a big deal now. If nine newbies vote to approve...
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

David Dreezer ·
Until the complete structure of the reputation system is installed, electing a Tribunal would be problematic, wouldn't it?
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Malkazoid ·
Possibly. If you are referring to the difficulty of the voters knowing who to vote for, I think there is enough visible material already for them to identify many consistent and committed contributors. The aspects of Reputation that are most blatantly missing relate to KYC and quality of content. Of those two, only KYC is really relevant to consideration for the Tribunal, so from my limited perspective, once KYC is functional, the window opens for Tribunal elections. But you may have other,...
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Re: But is Really Redundant?

Emily Barnett ·
Phew! I opened a good debating topic, albeit one that diverted slightly. Although the territory where it went to, is kind of the topic i wanted to discuss in a post tomorrow. Perhaps I will go ahead and make that post tonight because i think there is some slightly different ground still to cover. As for my original post. @Malkazoid once again you and I work well as an impromptu community team...I see an issue, and you see an elegant solution. I like that. And I also like your suggestion of...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Bryan ·
Please read Niche titles and descriptions carefully. If a Niche is poorly written and gets approved... it's "approval" is a testimony to the efficacy and quality of (to borrow @Ted 's language) "The Wisdom of This Crowd." And, there are some Niches getting upvoted that should not. Here are a few from my perusing of the ballots this morning. I try and always leave a comment when I vote no in order to help clarify the thinking behind my vote. Beta Testing...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
Thanks for raising the issue of poor descriptions again Bryan. I feel like this has not been clearly addressed by the @Narrative Network Team . My sense from Tribunal votes is that niches with seemingly viable names, but imperfect descriptions, seem to get approved by the tribunal? Which in turn forces me to vote in a similar fashion, because I don't want the rep penalty for voting out of step with how the Tribunal will finally vote - even though I suspect it would be better for us to reject...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Bryan ·
Another Niche falling into the Dictionary Trap . https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/13279573545214159 If I submitted " the " as a Niche... and " described " it as: Would this fly? Should this fly? It just takes a couple extra seconds to present a point of view on the type of content that could be submitted to a Niche. And then, that point of view should be written using complete sentences.
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Bryan ·
I guess I don't care if I'm out of step with the Tribunal. I was drawn to this project because I believed that quality content was an integral aspect of building the new content economy. It's hard to criticize people for submitting definition Niches when the @Ted is doing it too. Come on, Ted! I agree @Malkazoid that we're rewarding/creating bad behaviors. It's just easier to approve things and let Time sort it out. I could just approve all Niche submissions. Knowing that the bad ones will...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
So in the case of the San Francisco niche - I'm torn. Specifying what San Francisco is may in fact be enough for most people, since it is kind of assumed the niche is destined to receive anything relating to the city. Then again, since the extra clarity coming from a more explicit description can't hurt and in other instances, is really desirable - I think I'm still in favour of seeking more specificity across the board rather then defining complex exceptions to a rule. Some niches simply...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/12294394685581581 Misspelled name here... Papua New Guinea is the correct spelling. Please downvote to avoid this going to the tribunal.
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Ted ·
As I said in the white paper: Of course a definition is acceptable for niche title. A niche is just a unique subject, so the point of the description is to DEFINE/CLARIFY what the title is. So, yes, I am guilty of using definitions in descriptions because that is the purpose of a description-- to define and bring clarity to what the niche represents. I also want to be clear about something else. Niches are not "communities". So a description that says something like, " a place for mom's to...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Bryan ·
Is requiring definitions/descriptions part of the problem then? What ends up happening in voting claims/arguments is really more about the converging/diverging of semantics (see: games, gaming, video games!) than arguing over title word choice—though they are both problematic. This is further complicated by the notion of someone being able to "own" these Niches. My vision for gaming might be different than yours. "I would run my hotdog stand much different than you'd run yours..." To use...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Ted ·
Descriptions are very important because a title alone can be ambiguous and by itself may even have more than meaning (many words do). I'm really not following your logic here, @Bryan . A definition is the perfect way to clarify the meaning of niche. What else is there? A community may certainly develop around a niche, in that it has its own unique set of followers, but the niche itself is just a subject. That is the distinction. And the content posted to that niche is the important part. The...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Bryan ·
The Niche system is cool, but it's not perfect. This is a new content economy. The model is new. It has flaws. The longer that flaws (even if they are flaws of understanding and not execution) persist, the taller the building becomes with unstable bits in its foundation. As a Founder, and a very interested and vest member of this community, I am trying to provoke/test some of the weaknesses of the system to make it better... not tear it down. It is troubling that my reputation (the more I've...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
Correct me if I am wrong, but what I understand from @Bryan 's posting on this matter is that merely defining the word(s) of a niche name can actually be confusing. 'Celebration' is a good example of that. The description takes the dictionary approach. Ok great. Except, everyone already knows what a celebration is. What we really want to know is what type of content belongs there - we might not be inclined to do the thinking on this ourselves, or perhaps not with sufficient confidence.
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
I agree with this, and I think the solution is for the Team to fairly rapidly start homing in on more specific guidelines for what a good niche name and description is. Or rather, to enforce them and make not following them cause for rejection. Molly wrote a great Medium blog post with such guidelines, but they are not enforced. That's where the problem arises. On the one hand we're rewarding people for suggesting niches that get approved even if they don't follow the quality guidelines. On...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Ted ·
We have not disclosed the reputation formula, so I would not make too many assumptions about the importance of one thing versus another. I think this is a bit much. Are niche descriptions really an unstable flaw? I think we are beating a dead horse at this point, but I want to make sure you understand that your opinions and feedback are welcome. That does not mean that we are always going to be in agreement, of course, but different perspectives are always welcome.
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Bryan ·
I agree descriptions are important. I believe a description goes beyond a definition. One taps the aesthetic perspective, the other taps a clinical one. Define your spouse. Describe your spouse. These should be very different responses. So, to answer your question, the "logic" I am using may not be logical by definition, but there is a method to my madness. I am design-focused, rooted in delivering aesthetic experiences. I believe people are more likely to be inspired, moved by, aesthetics...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Bryan ·
Sorry, what else can you do with a dead horse but beat it!? "Flaw" may be the wrong word... but, I believe it can be improved. Already it (the voting process) has been improved quite a bit from the first attempt. I'm just saying I don't think we've arrived yet. I appreciate that you're taking some time to discuss. It's difficult to raise objections in a text-only medium where my genuine concern for the success of the project carried by the "tone" of my voice gets reduced to glyphs on a...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Michael ·
I completely agree, based on my interactions with the platform. It should be up to the developers to first accept that they have a problem with their voting mechanism, and that it would be a mess (to say the least), if this project were to scale to even double the size, with Niches being populated. (10K users) Nobody on this platform should be voting on Niches if their reputation is negatively effected. That's not a practice that will scale. This is quite obvious. These things can be fixed,...
 
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