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Penalties for rejected Niches

Eduardo Hernández ·
So I am a very creative, but, at times, misunderstood fellow. I have suggested some niches, which have all been approved -or on the way to approval. Unfortunately, one of the Niches I suggested is being bashed and crushed by the -seemingly angry- community of crypto lovers. It was never my idea to go around the Cryptocurrency niche by creating The Bubble. I imagined that it'd be nice to have an alternative space to talk about crypto without the whole nerdy seriousness of it. But I published...
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Conduct Negative needs to be renamed/redefined

Christina Gleason ·
Happy to report that I'm no longer "conduct negative," but I believe that state is in dire need of renaming, as it has nothing to do with my conduct, and everything to do with the fact that Narrative raised the price after I agreed to buy the niche to the point where I couldn't afford it due to the way the price of NRVE fluctuated so dramatically. Considering the sort of bad conduct some bad actors on the site have been behaving, and how I conduct myself professionally, my inability to pay...
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Conduct Negative Question

Newen X ·
Hello! I just wanted to know if there's still no news about this, it's been exactly a month already since I got the 4 month penalty just for writing in Spanish, not to mention my reputation went down to 40. I'd like to return to the platform before that if possible, I hope that you come up with something...
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Conduct Negative penalty increases - how do they work?

Christina Gleason ·
I mentioned over in Malkazoid's On the Move thread that there is a bit of satisfaction in seeing a serial spammer unable to do anything on the platform for six months, and I remembered the explanation that the length of the penalty for each successive violation increases. I also remembered that I got my own 12-hour penalty during the alpha period before the fiat price for niche auctions got set to what the NRVE was worth at the time the bid was placed, because what should have been my $75...
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Malkazoid ·
I think we are in a learning phase where folks are still not sure how to vote on things, and what the criteria are. The Team have spelled out the criteria quite clearly, but there are still grey areas in people's minds, and the use of words such as voting and ballot are still throwing a spin of preference on the process, as opposed to what we are aiming for which is an impartial validating of fairly clear cut criteria. Your case is serving to underline something new, that I think we should...
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ClosetCrypto ·
I simply voted no as I did not see how it was different from the Cryptocurrency niche besides having a different name. I do not think there is anything wrong at all with coming up with niches nor do I see how you are, or could, be penalized for having a niche idea down-voted. I think more time should be spent on the descriptions as that is where a person can see where the differences of a niche are.
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christian ·
bitcoin is obviously much much different than the act or job of trading bitcoin but new niche trading bitcoin its getting bashed as well. not sure i understand even why.
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christian ·
punished how??
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ClosetCrypto ·
You can not be punished nor do I think that will ever become an option. Also, @christian as I just responded to your other post on the topic of Bitcoin Trading, although the titles seem to infer a difference between the two, the description of Bitcoin Trading clarifies the fact it is no different than the Bitcoin niche already created.
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David Dreezer ·
Why is it that if someone offers a helpful - this is why I voted no - it's immediately perceived as angry or bashing?
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Eduardo Hernández ·
I was too naïve, I see, at putting more importance on an original catchy name with a sarcastic spin rather than on the description, as pointed out by @Malkazoid (who up-voted my niche, thanks brother!) Though I see yet another flaw in the system: the incredibly narrow minded voting process. I suggested the niche LGBT, which surprisingly got certain resistance. I thought "What the fuck, seriously!?" Because not only it didn't break any rules, but it's also a valid topic that should be here to...
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Eduardo Hernández ·
The first comment proves a lack of understanding beyond human frontiers (mere bashing.) The second one, though, is helpful.
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christian ·
the voting is unclear and niches not fully understood. you can have NFL and Minnesota Vikings but can not have bitcoin and bitcoin trading? what if it was bitcoin day trading? all just foggy
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Eduardo Hernández ·
Niches are making less and less sense the more I think about it, hierarchically speaking. So you have "Cryptocurrency" > "Bitcoin" > "Bitcoin Trading". Only that they are not contained in that logical category and subcategory structure, but rather lose, floating in limbo. Messy.
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Soňa ·
I think most people voted your niche down because the title covers much broader topic than cryptocurrencies which you mention in the description. There are also other markets and eventhough cryptocurrencies are now by far the hottest topic, if you mention bubble I personally still think back to 2009. Otherwise, I think the idea of this niche is really good and has a potential to attract people with no basic knowledge of cryptoworld. Also with the title I think it doesn't pay off to be too...
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Soňa ·
Yes, agreed. The process of niche creation is interesting, but sometimes I think it would be better to have some predefined clear structure where you could fit the new niche titles. This is becoming chaotic...
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ClosetCrypto ·
I can only answer for myself but in my opinion Bitcoin=Bitcoin Trading at this time. It is the same as US Dollars=US Dollar trading or Ford Stock=Ford Stock trading. It is one in the same. Visual Example: Cryptocurrency > Bitcoin = Bitcoin Trading Fiat Currency > US Dollar = US Dollar Trading Stock Market > Ford Stocks = Ford Stock Trading Routers > Wireless Routers = Wireless Router Trading(lol) Again, I am not saying this IS the way it is. Only that this IS the way that I see...
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Eduardo Hernández ·
@Former Member Still the whole voting is a bit idiotic, in the sense that most are clearly voting over personal preferences rather than because of a clean application of the the aforementioned rules. I'm afraid that suggesting niches will become more scarce and painfully unoriginal -and plain boring-, if we stick to these tactics. So, coming back to the LGBT niche, it had down-votes for what reason, really? Following every single parameter of the submission process? Or simple, blatant...
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ClosetCrypto ·
You are exactly right @Eduardo Hernández . Most likely the few who voted against LGBT do find it morally wrong or they don't like it because they disapprove. Do you honestly expect 100% of people to agree on everything? Considering the LGBT Niche was approved by roughly 73% of the community vote, I would say that is a victory worth celebrating, not diminishing. Instead of focusing on the few who voted against, take pride in the majority that voted for. The majority wins, the majority is all...
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Eduardo Hernández ·
I think that this whole thing of penalizing people who submitted perfectly eligible Niches that got down-voted shouldn't be enforced. That's how democracy works. Majority wins, but the losing side is not punished, period. Of course if somebody clearly goes and submits a niche with profanity and hate speech, he should be face consequences. Simple as that.
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Malkazoid ·
I agree. The system does need to guard against this happening too often, and in particular, deliberately. But this could be achieved by allowing something like 3 downvoted niches a year, without penalty. Anything above that would start to enter into the territory of 'people being sloppy'. And perhaps anything above 6 rejected niches a year would enter into the 'deliberate abuse' territory. So the penalty could slide towards more severe along that spectrum? Every new rejected niche, the...
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ClosetCrypto ·
I like it. I also think people forget that they don;t actually have to vote. If they are not sure on how they feel about a niche suggestion..then just don't vote.
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Eduardo Hernández ·
Exactly @Malkazoid . Because I am seriously considering, if punished, to not ever suggest any more Niches. Why? Because if any of the snowflakes here thinks "Ah, it hurts my feelings" or "Gays/Lesbians/Jews/(Insert minority here) are shit." What happens then? You get down-voted and lose NRVE or reputation in Narrative. For no other reason than narrow-mindness. Does not seem fair.
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ClosetCrypto ·
@Eduardo Hernández With all due respect, your usage of the term "snowflake" on here and on Telegram to describe others is a bit ironic considering you are the one who seems to be overly sensitive to any votes against a niche idea of yours. I am not here to try and make you feel bad or put you down, but your condescending tone and tantrum throwing is not going to help you win any arguments or debates on here.
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ClosetCrypto ·
What would the benefit be of adding a "No Vote" option as opposed to just not voting?
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David Dreezer ·
[email protected] is saying that if you have voted and decide that you would rather abstain you can't, currently. Once you've voted you cannot remove your vote.
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ClosetCrypto ·
lol light-bulb. Yeah that's a good point.
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Emily Barnett ·
exactly. I offer an explanation to be polite to the person whom i voted down, and to be helpful so that the person knows somewhat how to potentially improve the description or name, when and if they have to go to the appeal . I don't consider myself angry or bashing. A critical thinker...for sure, but not angry.
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Malkazoid ·
Agreed. I was not sharing my interpretation of the guidelines, but rather how I think this new case should be resolved. I see your reasoning. This is tricky, with pros and cons to both approaches. I think in the end, we're going to end up with a set of guidelines - hopefully no more than three otherwise people's brains will melt - that will resemble the considerations required when evaluating fair use, in that they will not provide complete clarity, only an idea of what criteria to weigh. If...
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Malkazoid ·
Foggy indeed, and I think we are going to have to live with this fog - it is inherent to the nature of what we're trying to do with niches. We'll home in on a good set of guidelines, and improve how they are enunciated, but there will remain a human factor, even with the tribunal.
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Eduardo Hernández ·
Not overly sensitive, but rather objective @ClosetCrypto . But maybe you are right. I might have overreacted while facing the homophobia/narrow-mindness against the LGTB niche. Maybe homophobia is actually welcome and encouraged in Narrative, for all I know But regarding my -so far- rejected niche, I can take the blame and accept that I should have described it better. Though one of the comments on there was simply "snowflaky," and perhaps unintelligent, by judging the name "The Bubble" to...
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ClosetCrypto ·
Yeah, the homophobia on here is overwhelming.....
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Michael Farris ·
It will take awhile before we all work out how reputation works in Narrative. Right now, of course, there is little to go on other than community votes. In time reputation will be a lever to your bidding, a multiplier to what you can do in the platform, and, in the case of negative reputation, cause your content to fade from people's view. Needless to say, "reputation" will have an obvious effect on your network rewards. It is one of the "new" things in the new content economy. Why am I...
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Eduardo Hernández ·
Hi @Michael Farris . I love how you, as a member of the Narrative Team, take the time to insult me and make public certain assumptions to undermine my overall reputation. I really appreciate the irony of it. Second, I never tried to circumvent the already created Cryptocurrency Niche. If you took the time to read my whole history in this community, I have tried to be as helpful and insightful as I could, to make this platform a better place (I'm both an investor and a -former, after this...
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Dias Flac ·
Full disclosure, I voted NO on this as well. Even if the description was updated, I feel like it still encompasses the topics that you'll find on the original cryptocurrency niche. If people can't convince me that backpacking is unique enough to stand on its own against travel, you can bet your bottom NRVE that I'm not going to buy the argument that The Bubble is different from Cryptocurrency as well. Same reason why I voted NO to Bitcoin Trading vs Bitcoin btw @christian . At this stage,...
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Malkazoid ·
Eduardo, I would be sad to see you go: you have indeed added much to the community. I don't think Michael Farris means to insult you, and he may simply have misunderstood where you were coming from? His message did contain some good news regarding the community and the way it votes: the reputation system will go some way towards preventing people from simply voting their preferences. I agree with you that there is some prejudice at play, if the LGBT niche has gotten so many downvotes - it...
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Eduardo Hernández ·
@Dias Flac thaks for the disclosure and I respect your position. I have erred, unintentionally, and will stay away from any Niche suggestion for good. It's a very risky business, I reckon @Malkazoid I have got one disappointment after the other in this platform, and for every win I feel we have a dozen defeats. And, personally, I don't like being insulted, whether if it's imbecile name-calling or ah-so-smart wordplay. The latter I could even understand from a random community member, but not...
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Michael Farris ·
I'd be sad to see you go as well @Eduardo Hernández You're articulate and quite often insightful. I have read pretty well everything on the forum you posted. But that being said you are right that singling you are in my post was not right. I do apologize. I'll edit the post if you wish, or leave it at your choice.
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Emily Barnett ·
Hi @Eduardo Hernández When I first read on a thread that you wanted to create an adult only- erotic based niche...I kind of thought to myself here we go.... but it was my response from the Steemit platform that is so male dominated and sometimes not a very great place for females to navigate. But I always try to wait before I make judgements of people. As I read your posts I actually realized that you are insightful and one who considers things from multiple angles. Both are traits that I...
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Eduardo Hernández ·
It's okay, Michael. It takes a real man (sorry for the chauvinist sound of that) to assume his mistakes and apologize. I respect that, and I acknowledge I shouldn't go around calling "snowflakes" people that dislike the idea of the gay community having a place in Narrative. We are all entitled to have an opinion, as long as we don't actively try to impose it nor harm others. I don't think you should delete nor edit your response. Let it be a sign of what has happened and that it's not okay...
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ClosetCrypto ·
I don't have a problem with you or your view @Eduardo Hernández . I DO have a problem with how you have reacted. You have done nothing but throw a tantrum over a niche suggestion that the community does not support at this time. "They don't like my niche idea! I'm never suggesting a niche again!" On top of that you have accused the community of being homophobic, racist, and compared narrative to a totalitarian state. Seriously? Get over it and get over yourself.
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Eduardo Hernández ·
Beautiful words, @Emily Barnett ! Yeah, this last bump was extra turbulent, I reckon. But we are making amends, as you can see. I am an erotic writer, yes, and sometimes have been dubbed as sexist and extremely chauvinistic. I have, since, played around with the word to convey my message with the intensity intended but with outmost respect for women, for I am a feminist and none of my spicy stories would be possible without a strong, smart and independent taking part in them.
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Eduardo Hernández ·
Sure, @ClosetCrypto .
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JR ·
I think it is prejudicial to assume someone would vote down the LGBT niche because of homophobia. At best, we can only assume they are not following the niche approval process correctly. Speaking from personal experience, I have met Gay and Lesbian people who did not consider themselves part of the LGBT movement. Some even looked upon the broader movement with disdain. I would also consider myself in opposition with the LGBT movement as I largely disagree with the political and social...
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Emily Barnett ·
Hahahaha! awesome...Strong women are sexy to strong men...that's been my experience anyway. BTW our male feminists in the crowd are important voices to us female feminists.
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Eduardo Hernández ·
@JR I proposed this niche mainly because, political agenda or not, the LGBT movement has a voice and it should be welcome in our platform. Not to mention it will drive attention to the platform (hence my Erotica and NSFW niche suggestions, too.) Also, it doesn't hurt to open up a space for the LGBT community to enter the Content Economy. They even have their own token ICO to come soon! PS: Yes, I'm passionate about defending these topics, and come from a homophobic country, so my assumptions...
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Eduardo Hernández ·
I am your ally, sister. And yes, there's nothing sexier that a women that won't take shit from anyone. That's empowering for me as a man, as well, since I feel absolutely privileged of sharing the bed and mind of such marvelous women.
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BloggerKrunal ·
If that post was your original content and not offending the audience then penalizing for 4 months just for posting in another language for the 1st time is quite high. I think just removing the post should be enough or penalizing upto only a week maybe? If I compared this with other spammers who are continuously spamming Narrative and still they haven't harshly penalized like this. (One or two are the exceptional cases.)
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Newen X ·
Yes it was my original content, just a song of mine with a description and a picture of the art cover. But since it was in spanish it was downvoted by some people and I got that automatic penalty. I opened a post here and Narrative people told me there's nothing they could do about it since it's the "Beta" and mistakes can happen... I just wanted to know if there was any progress with it.
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ForTheLoveOfBands ·
I 100% agree with this. 4 months suspension for writing in Spanish is way too harsh. Hope it will be resolved soon...
 
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