Tagged With "Appeals"

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Niche Appeals Process

ClosetCrypto ·
I have submitted an appeal to the tribunal to reconsider Oil or Life as an acceptable Niche. It meets the requirements and I believe this will be a good way to test the appeals process in general.
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Narrative support niche vs Narrative 411 niche

Malkazoid ·
Hello... So the fine tuning saga of niche creation and appeals continues. JR brought this to my attention - the same user that proposed the Video Games niche, despite there already being a Gaming niche, has proposed a Narrative 411 niche, despite there being a Narrative Support niche already. In both cases, the questionable new niches were approved by the community. Both new niches now have appeals against them. For the Gaming vs Video Games, the case is pretty clear cut. Almost nobody...
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Rebuttal to appealed Niche

mrgoodsett ·
Is there any way to submit a rebuttal to a Niche idea which has been appealed by another Narrative member? The Niche is under review by the Tribunal currently.
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How to appeal an approved niche that probably shouldn't have been approved?

Malkazoid ·
Hello! I think I've been able to do this in the past, but I cannot see any way to do that right now. If it is possible, can someone point me in the right direction? And if it isn't possible, why not? Thanks!
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Niche Appeals

MOLLY O ·
I know there is ongoing discussion on the quality of Niches. Good discussion that we are reading and digesting…and we have continued to make some tweaks to how things work along the way. That is the point of having the Alpha. The passion on wanting to make this a good quality platform is great - and hopefully will translate to a really large community soon! As I have posted prior, those members who have been with us awhile in the Alpha - have certainly experienced the difference in quality...
Issue

You can only appeal one niche per 24 hour period to the Tribunal - problematic

Christina Gleason ·
I'm currently going through every. single. page. of niches up for auction to suggest niches for people to buy that I have content already written for, and I'm noticing a lot of redundant niches got approved in the early days. I appealed one instance, but I could appeal at least 4 more right now. I'm not going to be going to back through all of these pages again tomorrow or any time soon, so I'm not going to remember all of these that should be appealed. (Off the top of my head, Activism,...
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Street Style Portrait Photography

Emily Barnett ·
@Ted I am addressing your tribunal comment here, because I cannot on the platform. This niche is a "made up" photography term, it isn't a thing. That is why i am saying it is inaccurate. The very nature of what street photography is, contradicts this description. Your comment seems to be talking about redundancy. Which is not my grounds for appeal. Wiki "Portrait photography or portraiture in photography is a photograph of a person or group of people that captures the...
Suggestion

Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Ted ·
Originally suggested here: https://community.narrative.or...moderation-final-say The idea is that if a niche moderator rejects your content that you can appeal to the Tribunal to reverse the decision. One potential downside is that, if used frequently, the workload of the Tribunal could really increase. We might want to have some limitation as to the number of times any member could appeal a niche content rejection. We'd also want to make sure that the Tribunal decision was final... so that...
Conversation

Current niche approvals that are problematic

Malkazoid ·
We had a thread to alert the community to these before there was a move to this newer version of the support site, but I think all those threads are locked now, so here's a new one! Alert the community to the niches that may be receiving the wrong votes in the approval process. Avoiding the need to appeal an approval to the Tribunal lessens their workload and allows them to focus on their core task of developing the platform. This is all the more important now, because after Beta launch, a...
Question

Niche purpose: Does name niche or description carry more weight?

Christina Gleason ·
I'm going to preface this by stating the precedent the Tribunal has already set forth with the BLOG niche - saying that the name clearly made it the top level niche about blogging even though the description was a hot mess - and the Haiku niche - which had an edit denied to change the name to be more inclusive of other poetry forms, because the Tribunal believed the niche was clearly intended to ONLY be about Haiku. So we have a PRECEDENT where the niche name matters a whole lot more than...
Suggestion

Speed up appeals when 80% upvote is already guaranteed.

Vico Biscotti ·
Some appeals take days just because one member didn't vote already, but all of the others already showed a clear position. The last member could make the others change their idea, of course, but we should also consider the benefit of the speed of the appeals, especially when the position of the Tribunal is particularly clear. So, my proposal is this: if after 48 hours, given the current and pending votes - at any moment - 80% of upvote is already guaranteed, the appeal would end.
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Appeals process for down votes?

Lloyd Duhon ·
Is there an appeals process for down votes? I received a down vote on a short article with an original photograph. There was no other feedback offered, just an anonymous down vote. I am new to Narrative, and I am curious how this process works and what the significance of these down votes are. My understanding by reading the down vote screen is there are three options for choosing the down vote. Is there a way to see which of these three were selected, if any? The Post in question: ...
Conversation

Weird Fiction Niche

BloggerKrunal ·
Hello @J Bandel, I noticed your bid for Weird Fiction. I wish you all the best for that Niche if you won it. However the current description of that Niche is including multiple subjects. "Covering all of the topics around the fiction genre that blends science fiction / fantasy and horror". I was about to appeal on it but I've a second guess that you might like to improvise the current description. If so, I'll be glad, if you're going to have it. I would like to do such...
Issue

Infinite appeals

Vico Biscotti ·
As it's currently happening with the appeal on the Writing niche , an appeal on a niche can not have an end. From specs: "At least 70% of all Tribunal members must vote on the appeal by the time the voting period concludes; otherwise, the voting period shall be automatically extended until at least 70% of the Tribunal has voted. Furthermore, votes may not end in a tie, so even if 70% have voted, the voting process will continue until the tie has been broken." This is an issue, because it...
Suggestion

While niche approval needs community voting, the edit of the niche - even a major one - doesn't

Vico Biscotti ·
When the community votes for a niche, discussion and voting is based on the name and the description of a niche. However, a following edit, after the niche is purchased, can significantly change the meaning of the niche, as it happend with Creativity . And the community has no tools to appeal the edit (I already suggested different types of appeal ). I think that a major edit should undergo a discussion similar to the one on the approval phase, even if the niche has an owner. The community...
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In case of an edit request of a niche, allow comments from members before the approval from the Tribunal.

Vico Biscotti ·
Like it happened with Creativity , the edit of a niche description can be a major one. The community approved the niche when the description was very different, moderators nominate themselves (and will operate) also based on the description, and some members (like me) will take the new description into consideration when following or submitting. While the Tribunal takes care of the approval and always has the final word, it could be fair - and certainly appreciated - to allow the community...
Issue

BLOG niche description unchanged

Malkazoid ·
The Tribunal members overwhelmingly voted to keep the BLOG niche in order to give the owner a chance to change the description. https://www.narrative.org/hq/appeal/46776834475244075 Six weeks have gone by, and the description has not budged... So what happens now? Is a community member supposed to appeal the niche again ? That started a very unfortunate chain of events last time, and many Narrators are now much more reluctant to be involved in community governance activities as a result (it...
Suggestion

Unclear labels for Tribunal votes

Vico Biscotti ·
Votes from Tribunal members, in the appeal, are labeled "Voted for" or "Voted against", but it's unclear if it's a "voted for rejecting the niche" (as it's intuitive, because they're voting the appeal) or "voted for keeping the niche" (as it actually is). I think "Voting for the appeal" and "Voted against the appeal" (switching columns, in this case) would be clearer captions.
Issue

Writing Niche

Garden Gnome Publications ·
The Tribunal recently ruled that the BLOG Niche should be rejected , a win for all Narrators. However, there is still an issue with the Writing Niche , owned by the same Niche owner. I'm inclined to make a similar appeal, but the last time that happened, with the BLOG Niche, Tribunal members rejected the appeal to give the Niche owner time to make changes to the description. BUT, he didn't, which is what led to the second appeal. The problem now is, this Niche owner is Conduct Negative.
Suggestion

Reverse sorting for completed appeals

Vico Biscotti ·
The list of completed appeals seems to be more or less sorted by date, ascending. https://www.narrative.org/hq/appeals/completed-review/1 However, it's usually checked for recent appeals. Reverse sorting, in order to see the latest appeals first, would be useful.
Conversation

niche duplication / discussion - please have a look

Gosia Rokicka ·
Hi y'all, could you please have a look at this niche suggestion, read the conversation and vote however you feel about it? https://www.narrative.org/hq/approval/51140580899528177 It's one of these conundrums in the making and while the suggester, RaymondSpeaks (who is not on the community forum as far as I can tell), has great intentions and I totally get where he was coming from, I think he needs some help. Probably with downvoting his very own suggestion. But maybe not? Maybe my advice to...
Suggestion

Niche Appeal Should Be Anonymous

BloggerKrunal ·
I've seen that many users want to appeal on such Niches which doesn't fit in Narrative structure but now they're refraining themselves to do so because out of 8462 users only handful of them are activity working for the community and they don't get appreciated for that. Instead they gets retaliation on their posts and comments which is more worst IMO. Anonymous appeal can save them from such retaliation and some reputation affected by such meaningless downvoting. If it's not possible then I...
Question

how to appeal for an edit in a niche title and description?

Gosia Rokicka ·
Hello, I'd like to edit the name and description of the niche I won the auction for. I could see only one button requesting an appeal. I clicked and filled the form that asked why I wanted to appeal. The appeal is here: https://www.narrative.org/hq/appeal/46495305201796002 Some of the members of the Tribunal already voted, stating I should have asked for an edit. I agree but... how to do it?? I haven't seen this option when I was appealing. Could you please help? thanks, Gosia
Suggestion

Attachments to appeal

Vico Biscotti ·
In relation to what happened in the recent appeal about the BLOG niche, where the owner deleted the post with the discussion that lead to the appeal and relevant attitudes of the parties, I suggest to allow to link urls of posts or comments to appeals. Those posts/comments shouldn't be allowed to be deleted/modified. see also: https://community.narrative.org/support/topic/tribunal-process
Suggestion

An option to appeal name/description for non-niche owners

Gosia Rokicka ·
There should be an option to appeal the name and/or description change rather than only the existence of the niche, if you are not the niche owner. At present it's impossible. If someone disagrees with a niche as it is named/described but is not the owner of this niche (someone else is or the niche is unpurchased) the only route to take is to appeal the niche altogether which is often counterproductive and simply wrong because the niche itself is valid. There are plenty of ill-defined or...
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Re: Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Emily Barnett ·
I worry about this. I think the tribunal is going to have a very large work load as it grows, for only 3%. It is the lease efficient use of time for return. Personally I think there are enough stop gaps in place. The community can vote out a bad moderator, the content maker could message the owner if abuses are taking place by the moderator, and I also think most moderator's, especially on a profitable niche are going to be motivated to keep their job, ergo do their job in accordance of the...
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Re: Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Gord ·
That depends on the return
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Re: Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Slaz ·
I believe that in this case the user can just appeal against the moderator who made the decision, and not the decision itself. As niches should all be clear and unique, I don't expect that many content rejects that are worth disputing over.
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Re: Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Banter ·
I agree that it would generate too much work for the tribunal. As a side note, I hope there is something put in place to prevent someone from submitting the same content again, with the intention of getting a different moderator to approve it. Has the @Narrative team thought about that scenario?
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Re: Appeals process for down votes?

MOLLY O ·
We don't have an appeals process for downvotes. When I looked at the post, it only had 3 votes. So, a single downvote might be there but I wouldn't worry about. People rate as they want. You can't get upset if you receive a downvote here or there. Also, please note that higher reputation members ratings have a bigger impact on votes. Reputation is a complex formula that we are watching very closely for improvements during this early beta. If you are interested in learning more ...feel free...
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Re: Appeals process for down votes?

Lloyd Duhon ·
Thanks, Molly. I appreciate the information. I definitely won't let it get me down; However, it would be useful to know why a person believed that post negatively contributed to the platform. My goal as a writer is to put out the best quality possible. It is difficult to improve when there is no actionable feedback. Perhaps this is an area that developers can look into. I am happy to be here. I enjoy the platform so far, and I am looking forward to taking part as it grows.
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Re: Appeals process for down votes?

Vico Biscotti ·
@Lloyd Duhon , there's a suggestion from @Malkazoid (and probably even older ones) that may interest you: https://community.narrative.or...w-quality-voting-too .
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Re: Appeals process for down votes?

Malkazoid ·
Hello @Lloyd Duhon - if you agree with the above suggestion, you can add your 'vote' to it by using the Vote for Suggestion button, just beneath the main title of the suggestion. This helps the Narrative Team understand what the Community's priorities are.
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Re: Appeals process for down votes?

David Dreezer ·
I'm going to mark this as Answered. Please feel free to participate with the Suggestion cited above.
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Re: Weird Fiction Niche

Vico Biscotti ·
I agree with @BloggerKrunal , @J Bandel . The name of the niche is a proper subject, to me, but the description could need improvement. More than to a "blend", it should be directly addressed to "weird". We don't have appeals on descriptions - even if different types of appeal have been suggested six months ago - so I hope you can consider an edit after purchase.
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Re: Weird Fiction Niche

J Bandel ·
I would like to explain what classic weird fiction really is...and what is meant by a blend of science fiction/ fantasy and horror. This is timeless and I've translated six books of "Weird Fiction" by authors such as Karl Hanns Strobl, Hans Heinz Ewers and others, all from over 100 years ago. One might call it dark fiction...but it has been known through the past century and more as weird fiction. I hope to encourage new writers of this genre. I am willing to alter the description to remove...
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Re: Weird Fiction Niche

Serroc ·
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weird_fiction and https://lithub.com/weird-fiction-a-primer/ Weird Fiction is a genre that is sometimes a subset of Speculative Fiction and sometimes a subset of Horror. I included a couple of links as I agree with Joe on this one. @AnarchistBanjo
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Re: Weird Fiction Niche

Vico Biscotti ·
@J Bandel , first off let me say that it's a pleasure that a niche can find an owner like you, who cherishes and knows the topic. I just suggested a slight improvement in the description. No need to dig more, for my part. Thanks.
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Re: Weird Fiction Niche

Nuno Moreiras ·
Side note: I highly recommend J Bandel's translations of those texts, some of the best writing I've seen here and everywhere, for that matter and really funny too
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Re: Weird Fiction Niche

Serroc ·
I TOTALLY agree with WhyMonkey on this! These are amazing translations, capturing the original tone and flavor of the stories. @Nuno Moreiras @ J Bandel
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Re: Narrative support niche vs Narrative 411 niche

Brian Lenz ·
In my opinion, the two niches are completely different. One is "Narrator Support", which is clearly about support for anyone using the Narrative platform (Narrators). This can include readers, content creators, niche owners, moderators, etc. "Narrative Niche 411" is focused purely on niches. As such, I think it clearly qualifies as a sub-niche that can stand on its own.
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Re: Narrative support niche vs Narrative 411 niche

JR ·
Brian, I understand your reasoning, but then I have to ask, what occurs if the sub-niche starts providing support outside of merely Niche support? Do I then have a claim to the tribunal? And does this mean that the Narrator Support Niche can also be used for Niche Ownership support?
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Re: Narrative support niche vs Narrative 411 niche

Brian Lenz ·
Hi @JR , that could technically be a concern for any niche. There would be nothing to stop someone from cross-posting a piece of content to both niches, as well. Keep in mind that content creators choose the niches, not the niche owners or moderators. Content creators will likely centralize and focus their content on the more popular niches over time, so this is where good niche promotion comes in. If your niche is successful, it will stand tall as the obvious place to post Narrative support...
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Re: Narrative support niche vs Narrative 411 niche

Malkazoid ·
Hehe - I must be tired: I completely overlooked the word 'niche' in the title. I agree, that does make it a sub niche.
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Re: Narrative support niche vs Narrative 411 niche

Malkazoid ·
JR, my guess is that the broader niche wins out in this sort of scenario, in most cases. Because a post about with a niche tip is very likely to post to both the niche 411 niche, and your Narrative Support niche? Especially, as Brian mentioned, if you do your promotion well and everyone gets into the reflex of posting all Narrative information to Narrative Support.
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Re: Narrative support niche vs Narrative 411 niche

Malkazoid ·
@Brian Lenz Is it possible to withdraw a niche appeal? I know see that there is no conflict between these two niches.
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Re: Narrative support niche vs Narrative 411 niche

Brian Lenz ·
@Malkazoid , there's not a way to withdraw an appeal, but no worries. It'll just get approved by the Tribunal again.
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Re: Narrative support niche vs Narrative 411 niche

Malkazoid ·
Ok thanks! I'll pay closer attention when I'm getting more sleep. Can't promise when that will be
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Re: Narrative support niche vs Narrative 411 niche

Dr. Rick ·
I guess niche appeal withdrawals needs adding your "Features to be added to Narrative" topic as seems a sensible thing to add
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Re: Narrative support niche vs Narrative 411 niche

Emily Barnett ·
I know that this is kind of resolved but maybe it would be advantageous for the second one to just be called Niche 411. I think both these niches will make for very busy moderators and as we grow, one may just not be enough. I think this sub-niche is very important to the community.
 
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