Tagged With "Appeals"

Suggestion

Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Ted ·
Originally suggested here: https://community.narrative.or...moderation-final-say The idea is that if a niche moderator rejects your content that you can appeal to the Tribunal to reverse the decision. One potential downside is that, if used frequently, the workload of the Tribunal could really increase. We might want to have some limitation as to the number of times any member could appeal a niche content rejection. We'd also want to make sure that the Tribunal decision was final... so that...
Issue

You can only appeal one niche per 24 hour period to the Tribunal - problematic

Christina Gleason ·
I'm currently going through every. single. page. of niches up for auction to suggest niches for people to buy that I have content already written for, and I'm noticing a lot of redundant niches got approved in the early days. I appealed one instance, but I could appeal at least 4 more right now. I'm not going to be going to back through all of these pages again tomorrow or any time soon, so I'm not going to remember all of these that should be appealed. (Off the top of my head, Activism,...
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Current niche approvals that are problematic

Malkazoid ·
We had a thread to alert the community to these before there was a move to this newer version of the support site, but I think all those threads are locked now, so here's a new one! Alert the community to the niches that may be receiving the wrong votes in the approval process. Avoiding the need to appeal an approval to the Tribunal lessens their workload and allows them to focus on their core task of developing the platform. This is all the more important now, because after Beta launch, a...
Question

how to appeal for an edit in a niche title and description?

Gosia Rokicka ·
Hello, I'd like to edit the name and description of the niche I won the auction for. I could see only one button requesting an appeal. I clicked and filled the form that asked why I wanted to appeal. The appeal is here: https://www.narrative.org/hq/appeal/46495305201796002 Some of the members of the Tribunal already voted, stating I should have asked for an edit. I agree but... how to do it?? I haven't seen this option when I was appealing. Could you please help? thanks, Gosia
Suggestion

Attachments to appeal

Vico Biscotti ·
In relation to what happened in the recent appeal about the BLOG niche, where the owner deleted the post with the discussion that lead to the appeal and relevant attitudes of the parties, I suggest to allow to link urls of posts or comments to appeals. Those posts/comments shouldn't be allowed to be deleted/modified. see also: https://community.narrative.org/support/topic/tribunal-process
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Niche purpose: Does name niche or description carry more weight?

Christina Gleason ·
I'm going to preface this by stating the precedent the Tribunal has already set forth with the BLOG niche - saying that the name clearly made it the top level niche about blogging even though the description was a hot mess - and the Haiku niche - which had an edit denied to change the name to be more inclusive of other poetry forms, because the Tribunal believed the niche was clearly intended to ONLY be about Haiku. So we have a PRECEDENT where the niche name matters a whole lot more than...
Suggestion

An option to appeal name/description for non-niche owners

Gosia Rokicka ·
There should be an option to appeal the name and/or description change rather than only the existence of the niche, if you are not the niche owner. At present it's impossible. If someone disagrees with a niche as it is named/described but is not the owner of this niche (someone else is or the niche is unpurchased) the only route to take is to appeal the niche altogether which is often counterproductive and simply wrong because the niche itself is valid. There are plenty of ill-defined or...
Suggestion

While niche approval needs community voting, the edit of the niche - even a major one - doesn't

Vico Biscotti ·
When the community votes for a niche, discussion and voting is based on the name and the description of a niche. However, a following edit, after the niche is purchased, can significantly change the meaning of the niche, as it happend with Creativity . And the community has no tools to appeal the edit (I already suggested different types of appeal ). I think that a major edit should undergo a discussion similar to the one on the approval phase, even if the niche has an owner. The community...
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In case of an edit request of a niche, allow comments from members before the approval from the Tribunal.

Vico Biscotti ·
Like it happened with Creativity , the edit of a niche description can be a major one. The community approved the niche when the description was very different, moderators nominate themselves (and will operate) also based on the description, and some members (like me) will take the new description into consideration when following or submitting. While the Tribunal takes care of the approval and always has the final word, it could be fair - and certainly appreciated - to allow the community...
Suggestion

Unclear labels for Tribunal votes

Vico Biscotti ·
Votes from Tribunal members, in the appeal, are labeled "Voted for" or "Voted against", but it's unclear if it's a "voted for rejecting the niche" (as it's intuitive, because they're voting the appeal) or "voted for keeping the niche" (as it actually is). I think "Voting for the appeal" and "Voted against the appeal" (switching columns, in this case) would be clearer captions.
Issue

BLOG niche description unchanged

Malkazoid ·
The Tribunal members overwhelmingly voted to keep the BLOG niche in order to give the owner a chance to change the description. https://www.narrative.org/hq/appeal/46776834475244075 Six weeks have gone by, and the description has not budged... So what happens now? Is a community member supposed to appeal the niche again ? That started a very unfortunate chain of events last time, and many Narrators are now much more reluctant to be involved in community governance activities as a result (it...
Issue

Writing Niche

Garden Gnome Publications ·
The Tribunal recently ruled that the BLOG Niche should be rejected , a win for all Narrators. However, there is still an issue with the Writing Niche , owned by the same Niche owner. I'm inclined to make a similar appeal, but the last time that happened, with the BLOG Niche, Tribunal members rejected the appeal to give the Niche owner time to make changes to the description. BUT, he didn't, which is what led to the second appeal. The problem now is, this Niche owner is Conduct Negative.
Issue

Infinite appeals

Vico Biscotti ·
As it's currently happening with the appeal on the Writing niche , an appeal on a niche can not have an end. From specs: "At least 70% of all Tribunal members must vote on the appeal by the time the voting period concludes; otherwise, the voting period shall be automatically extended until at least 70% of the Tribunal has voted. Furthermore, votes may not end in a tie, so even if 70% have voted, the voting process will continue until the tie has been broken." This is an issue, because it...
Suggestion

Reverse sorting for completed appeals

Vico Biscotti ·
The list of completed appeals seems to be more or less sorted by date, ascending. https://www.narrative.org/hq/appeals/completed-review/1 However, it's usually checked for recent appeals. Reverse sorting, in order to see the latest appeals first, would be useful.
Conversation

niche duplication / discussion - please have a look

Gosia Rokicka ·
Hi y'all, could you please have a look at this niche suggestion, read the conversation and vote however you feel about it? https://www.narrative.org/hq/approval/51140580899528177 It's one of these conundrums in the making and while the suggester, RaymondSpeaks (who is not on the community forum as far as I can tell), has great intentions and I totally get where he was coming from, I think he needs some help. Probably with downvoting his very own suggestion. But maybe not? Maybe my advice to...
Suggestion

Niche Appeal Should Be Anonymous

BloggerKrunal ·
I've seen that many users want to appeal on such Niches which doesn't fit in Narrative structure but now they're refraining themselves to do so because out of 8462 users only handful of them are activity working for the community and they don't get appreciated for that. Instead they gets retaliation on their posts and comments which is more worst IMO. Anonymous appeal can save them from such retaliation and some reputation affected by such meaningless downvoting. If it's not possible then I...
Suggestion

Speed up appeals when 80% upvote is already guaranteed.

Vico Biscotti ·
Some appeals take days just because one member didn't vote already, but all of the others already showed a clear position. The last member could make the others change their idea, of course, but we should also consider the benefit of the speed of the appeals, especially when the position of the Tribunal is particularly clear. So, my proposal is this: if after 48 hours, given the current and pending votes - at any moment - 80% of upvote is already guaranteed, the appeal would end.
Question

Appeals process for down votes?

Lloyd Duhon ·
Is there an appeals process for down votes? I received a down vote on a short article with an original photograph. There was no other feedback offered, just an anonymous down vote. I am new to Narrative, and I am curious how this process works and what the significance of these down votes are. My understanding by reading the down vote screen is there are three options for choosing the down vote. Is there a way to see which of these three were selected, if any? The Post in question: ...
Conversation

Weird Fiction Niche

BloggerKrunal ·
Hello @J Bandel, I noticed your bid for Weird Fiction. I wish you all the best for that Niche if you won it. However the current description of that Niche is including multiple subjects. "Covering all of the topics around the fiction genre that blends science fiction / fantasy and horror". I was about to appeal on it but I've a second guess that you might like to improvise the current description. If so, I'll be glad, if you're going to have it. I would like to do such...
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Re: Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Emily Barnett ·
I worry about this. I think the tribunal is going to have a very large work load as it grows, for only 3%. It is the lease efficient use of time for return. Personally I think there are enough stop gaps in place. The community can vote out a bad moderator, the content maker could message the owner if abuses are taking place by the moderator, and I also think most moderator's, especially on a profitable niche are going to be motivated to keep their job, ergo do their job in accordance of the...
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Re: Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Gord ·
That depends on the return
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Re: Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Slaz ·
I believe that in this case the user can just appeal against the moderator who made the decision, and not the decision itself. As niches should all be clear and unique, I don't expect that many content rejects that are worth disputing over.
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Re: Allow Content Creator To Appeal Content Rejected From Niche

Banter ·
I agree that it would generate too much work for the tribunal. As a side note, I hope there is something put in place to prevent someone from submitting the same content again, with the intention of getting a different moderator to approve it. Has the @Narrative team thought about that scenario?
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Re: how to appeal for an edit in a niche title and description?

David Dreezer ·
Go to your Niche page. Click on Settings. Edit the Name and or Description and click the Submit button.
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Re: how to appeal for an edit in a niche title and description?

Gosia Rokicka ·
@David Dreezer , thank you! Done
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Re: how to appeal for an edit in a niche title and description?

David Dreezer ·
Re: how to appeal for an edit in a niche title and description?
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
I was JUST thinking about this last night. I'm with @Malkazoid . One of the Tribunal members, maybe @Michael Farris (I hope that's the right Michael to tag; pic is different than on Beta) because he was the only one to vote no, should be the one to open the appeal. Because you ALL SAID you agreed with those of us who appealed, but y'all screwed us over and gave the troll the benefit of the doubt before he played merry hell with the platform for the next week or two afterward.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Malkazoid ·
I think the right Michael to tag is "@Michael Farris"!
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
Edited! Thanks.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Can this member make the necessary changes? He's still conduct negative.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Malkazoid ·
Good question... I'd like to think that if he had tried and found the system prevented it, he'd have raised a ticket here about it... but he may not have tried, and so may never have come up against that potential obstacle...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
Screw it. Raise hell with me if they reject my appeal this time.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
Never mind, Slaz beat me to it.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Vico Biscotti ·
He became Conduct Negative after several days from the decision of the Tribunal. In the meanwhile, instead of responding or fixing the niche (not a post, or comment, or topic anywhere), the owner trolled (more from @Christina Gleason in the new appeal) and cheated around in revenge (on Narrative and outside Narrative!). His choice. cc: @Malkazoid .
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Vico Biscotti ·
I agree, @Malkazoid . I was waiting to see if the decision from the Tribunal would have the following action (or new features to avoid these cases). @Slaz did it first, and it's okay. But the owner of the niche is a clearly malevolent member and the community shouldn't be obliged to engage fights to fix things. The owner is Conduct Negative, now, and he will certainly use this as an alibi, in the future. What when he will be around again, he or one of his newly breaded trolls? We need tools...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Garden Gnome Publications ·
@Vico Biscotti , I'm not arguing against that. This thread was started as a means to influence an expected change in the description. As others who have been conduct negative have noted, they couldn't do anything while in that status. So I'm questioning whether the platform will even allow him to make that appeal while conduct negative. If not, then this a moot point. We'll either have to wait until he is no longer conduct negative or Narrative staff will have to make the changes for him.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Vico Biscotti ·
@Garden Gnome Publications , I also think (and fear) that Conduct Negative is a tricky point and may be an obstacle for the Tribunal. I just say that the owner had his chance before. Between the appeal and the Conduct Negative a lot of days passed, and the owner not only didn't try to fix things or comment, but took instead the occasion to act in revenge, which eventually (and very late, I would add) lead to the Conduct Negative. That's why I say that his current status shouldn't be an...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I'm afraid you all are focusing on the wrong issue. Despite being conduct negative, this individual still has an active niche. There are people still contributing to the niche, and posting whatever they want. Do you think that will change? These Narrators have already been trained to drop whatever they want in that niche, instead of finding another suitable, more narrowly defined niche for their content. Let's say the description changes. Is that going to change the behavior of all of its...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Malkazoid ·
@Garden Gnome Publications - I always like to support grass roots approaches so I don't want to dismiss the Community approach out of hand, but I do think it would be: a) a lot of effort b) a negative campaign, which would feel a little bit like family feuding in public, far more so than a single post about a bad niche would be... since this would be popping up in comment on posts to the BLOG niche as well. I think a more efficient solution would be for the Tribunal to simply reject the...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Vico Biscotti ·
@Garden Gnome Publications , at this point I'm not just asking the renaming. I'm asking the rejection of the niche. The Tribunal gave an opportunity to the owner, the owner chose different conduct, rejection should now be the only option. I'd like this was a community thing. Unfortunately, we have no tools, and there's a lot of confusion around niches, their description, and moderation. I am confused. And I was even more confused when I stepped into Narrative. I maybe posted myself in the...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Okay, I get it. You just want them to retire the niche altogether? And what if they don't?
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
If the Tribunal looks at the appeal and votes to reject - WHICH THEY SHOULD - the niche will be REJECTED, not ACTIVE.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
About Conduct Negative niche owners not able to make edit appeals... Honestly? I think the system is working as intended if the owner was given 30 days (more, actually) to edit his description, and his bad behavior was SO bad that he's STILL Conduct Negative six weeks out. If you're such a bad actor in the community, you really shouldn't be allowed to own a niche and benefit from it anyways. Content posted there won't be erased, it will just no longer be tagged to that niche. The Tribunal...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Brian Lenz ·
FYI, Niche owners can submit niche edits even while they are Conduct Negative.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Vico Biscotti ·
If they don't, I can do nothing, of course, except maybe trying to raise again the issue. But I'm already concerned about the messy thing of niches, and I know I'm not alone. Despite the so-called management by the community, the fate of the platform is in the hands of the Team. Up to us is to decide if this is home to our content.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Colleen Ryer ·
I'm wondering if since the niche was approved in anticipation that the owner would edit the name/description, that there should be an "approval pending conditions - and if the conditions aren't met, then approval is denied. Also wondering if this rule is put in place, could be applied retroactively. It would mean those who've already posted would have to move to another niche, but it looks to me that all could be accommodated elsewhere if they haven't already posted to other niches. This...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Christina Gleason ·
THIS would be the best solution. And AUTOMATED conditional approval with a clear deadline before the niche becomes rejected.
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Colleen Ryer ·
Oh, yes, automated would be even better! Thanks @Christina Gleason
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Malkazoid ·
@Colleen Ryer , @Christina Gleason , I think the conditional approval idea is the same as what I've proposed, with a slightly different angle of approach. The basic idea of allowing the niche owner a period of time to rectify the problem is at the core of both ideas. My approach should be easier to develop though - no need for a new status ("conditionally approved"), and no need to for the Tribunal to follow up if the niche does not get fixed. By voting based on what is actually in front of...
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Re: BLOG niche description unchanged

Colleen Ryer ·
Yes @Malkazoid , that would be easiest - and fastest - and hopefully can be done retroactively. Thanks for catching me up!
 
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