Tagged With "access"

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What day will Patrons have access?

mrgoodsett ·
To suggest a Niche? How about a countdown clock? :-}
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Ted ·
On or around April 13th... it will have been two weeks since we opened things up by then.
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jcalumpit ·
Almost there.
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Harj ·
LOL you guys are saying exactly what im feeling it feels like a long and painful wait!!! )) but we will make our way!
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Emily Barnett ·
Exciting. A little sad when you see some Niches from your desired list get suggested...But so much is still available.
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David Dreezer ·
The Alpha is open now for Patrons.
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Gerbino ·
I hope you manage to get some good ones guys 👊🏻
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Re: Content Access Protections in Narrative

Banter ·
Thanks @Ted for bringing clarity to the Access Protections question. While I commend the idea behind restricting R content to KYC users to protect children...I think this is a big mistake. As a content creator you would be INSANE to flag anything as R, even though it may be, because it would drastically reduce your available audience right out of the gate. I feel very confident that the vast majority of people visiting the site to read content will be anonymous and not members, let alone KYC...
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Content Access Protections in Narrative

MOLLY O ·
In case you missed it, @Ted posted a very informative article about Content Access Protections in Narrative. You can read it here .
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Limited time Chaucer access

Malkazoid ·
The @Narrative Network Team already have something in the works for opening up Chaucer to a wider user base, so this suggestion may not fit what they already have in mind, but please consider it on its merits. It might be advantageous to open up Chaucer to newcomers in small increments, by opening it up for a limited time and cutting off new sign ups once a target is reached. Benefits : 1) Chaucer becomes active again (really not optimal that niches are not being bid on - sends precisely...
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Malkazoid ·
Hey @Whitmal The latest info I have on all this is from this thread . I haven't seen anything new since then, and @Ted said to expect some news a couple of weeks after June 5th, so I expect we'll hear something next week? I think the best scenario is welcoming people in controlled bursts. Minimises risks of the Team getting overwhelmed, allows fine control over Chaucer activity levels (spreading out the action until launch rather than having patches of zero activity like now), and stokes...
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Melanie Mathos ·
Please bear with us a bit longer - we are very close to sharing details on the opening up of Chaucer. (And nailing down final updates.) PS - great minds thing alike
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Slaz ·
Agreed. I’d like to have a go at Chaucer sometime. Not sure if I’d bid on Niches. Maybe a few. But I’d definitely like to vote for them, and so would a lot more people I’d say.
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Whitmal ·
can new people buy niches yet? if not why the delay
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Emily Barnett ·
Good call @Malkazoid
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Content Access Protections in Narrative - Needs Community Discussion

Banter ·
I posted this as a response to Molly O's post notifying us about content protections, but I think it got missed in there. I think that it is important to continue the discussion, so I'll repost it here. This post is in response to the article @Ted wrote here : Thanks @Ted for bringing clarity to the Access Protections question. While I commend the idea behind restricting R content to KYC users to protect children...I think this is a big mistake.
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David Dreezer ·
Well done, and thank you for reposting. I don't know how it got lost where it was originally posted, but this deserves consideration.
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Re: Content Access Protections in Narrative - Needs Community Discussion

Emily Barnett ·
Thank you @banter. I have to admit I saw some issues with the potential system too, so I am very happy you brought this up. I am not crazy about the downvote. My concern, like yours, is that it will be used in targeted fashion towards people, and nothing to do with quality. In theory I like the idea of quality but perhaps it should be an additional thing, like how Medium has claps...maybe the quality is an extra boost just for quality. Of course this can also be abused based on subject...
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Re: Content Access Protections in Narrative - Needs Community Discussion

Banter ·
I still like the idea of the 'upvote / clap' without the downvote when it comes to a quality score...you don't get claps/upvotes...your quality score stays low. I think the benefit of this is that it doesn't have any overhead on moderators or someone else to make sure people are behaving / voting in good faith. I think the algorithm could be worked in such a way that content or comments a user submits that don't reach a minimum threshold of 'upvotes / likes' over a given time period would...
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Malkazoid ·
What do we think about moderator involvement in the quality vote? If folks have to quickly grade on a few criteria from many (say minimum 2 criteria), then moderators could be alerted by an algorithm to posts that are receiving uncharacteristic quality votes, and could penalise folks who are giving blatantly disingenuous scores. For instance a piece which moderators approved for the niche specifically because it was so well researched and clearly written, could give a rep penalty to people...
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Emily Barnett ·
yes I like that idea. There is still Banters other points about the R /adult / NSFW rating. I will wade in tomorrow.
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Banter ·
I believe it was mentioned somewhere else that your comments wouldn't even be seen if you didn't have a minimum reputation score...so I think that would prevent the spammers / bad actors, unless they just wanted to waste all of their built up reputation in a few hate filled rants. I still share @Emily Barnett concern of targeting a community or individuals comments. If you get enough of your community members with good reputation to simply downvote 'their adversaries' content, they wouldn't...
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Re: Content Access Protections in Narrative - Needs Community Discussion

Malkazoid ·
So, @Banter - first off, thanks for making this thread. I actually hadn't seen @Ted 's article, and this is all important stuff. I'm tied up with work all weekend so this first post will be brief and in response to something from the article. "And if creators fail to set a proper age rating their personal reputations will be dinged." This sentence raises again, for me, the need for there to be several facets of reputation. These facets can be summed up to create a global reputation score...
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Re: Content Access Protections in Narrative - Needs Community Discussion

Ted ·
@Banter Thanks for your post... and i hear you about the KYC requirement to access "R" content. It's tough and definitely something we debated internally. The issue is, if you choose not to prove age for content that targets adults, then you will definitely be exposing such content to children. I don't even know what the community will consider R-rated content to be but if the community puts an "R" label on something then, in its opinion , the content should not be available for children. If...
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Ted ·
Re: downvotes-- Without a down-vote option, it becomes very difficult to stop trolls, spammers, and other bad actors. Keep in mind that the impact of an up or down vote is based on your reputation. Thus, the sheer numbers of up or down votes is not as important as the reputation of the people doing the voting.
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Re: Content Access Protections in Narrative - Needs Community Discussion

Malkazoid ·
@chrisabdey raises something I'd been silently thinking about: aren't most sites a little less worried about strict rating enforcement? I'm not saying this because I think it is wrong to try to enforce things more than the average social network does... rather I want to know whether people agree we're really going far above and beyond. In which case the question is, are we going too far above and too far beyond? I get @Ted 's reassurance that people will be motivated to verify their account...
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chrisabdey ·
In terms of the downvoting I believe that no matter how many fail-safes you put in place it could still be abused to some extent. I like the idea that you cannot downvote something but only upvote - but I think the flag needs to exist for Spam and trolling. But again, even that can be abused. I would envision it working something like this though: You have Niche Owners, and Moderators - So, if a particular piece of content gets flagged, it goes to the moderators/niche owners inbox, the...
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Re: Content Access Protections in Narrative - Needs Community Discussion

Emily Barnett ·
This is so tricky...I am still sticking with the line of discourse just on downvotes for the moment. Ok so steemit has this, and it gets abused by some whales and even the owner Ned. I just saw a whole article on steemit about the abusive nature of the downvotes. Basically for any who may not know...only people with a higher reputation can can downvote...so the people with clout have all the power to demonatise a post. This happens on steemit. For competive reasons, and in the article i...
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Re: Content Access Protections in Narrative - Needs Community Discussion

Ted ·
As currently proposed, there would no way for an underage person to access "R" rated content unless of course someone with a verified account (who is older than 18) gave them their credentials. Thus, while it is true that an underage user could "find a way", the system would be doing everything it could to limit access to that content. The way things would work would be that all R rated content would be inaccessible for anyone who is not signed in with a verified (18+) account.
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Ted ·
Keep in mind that this is not steemit. Reputation in Narrative is determined by your actual actions and has nothing to do with how many tokens you own/control. Everyone is on an equal playing field. Thus, you should not be considered by a few people determining things or censoring content.
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Banter ·
It sounds like the KYC restriction for R+ content isn't currently up for debate. If that is the case, then I think anyone who is the proud owner of a Niche devoted to R+ content like (erotica) should have the option of a refund since this will have a large impact on their traffic. If we decide to go this route as a community, I think it is imperative that we track and notify our community of the stats of people who arrive at an article that is restricted by KYC and abandon, rather than...
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Re: Content Access Protections in Narrative - Needs Community Discussion

Bryan ·
I've been a little pre-occupied as of late and not able to dole out elegant responses that solve everyone's problems as often as everyone probably wishes I would be... As suggested above, we probably need a couple layers of "voting" to provide some better control over its potential abuse. There's evaluating content. Then, there's evaluating how people vote on said content. And, the more meta the speculative future-proofing gets, the more micro-managerial the Moderator, or Niche Owner, roles...
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Re: Content Access Protections in Narrative - Needs Community Discussion

Emily Barnett ·
With all do respect @Ted saying that Narrative is not Steemit means nothing. We are, and I am specifically discussing human nature, which has a strong tendency among a percentage of the population "to beat the system". So unless your reputation system plans to change human nature, I don't see how your position that Narrative is different holds a lot of water. There will be abuse. My suggestions are about mitigating the abuse if possible and that means looking at patterns that already exist.
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Malkazoid ·
The reputation engine is a black box to us in the community - but I think what I'm hearing from @Ted is that the reputation system will address some, most, or all of these concerns, and that is what sets Narrative apart from Steemit, in a substantive manner rather than a mere statement of difference?
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Re: Content Access Protections in Narrative - Needs Community Discussion

Ted ·
Saying just the opposite, actually, regarding votes and reputation, @Emily Barnett . Reputation will determine the impact of nearly every action a user takes, including ratings and votes. And yes, I stand by my statement that Narrative is not SteemIt.
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Re: Content Access Protections in Narrative - Needs Community Discussion

Ted ·
Yes, @Malkazoid -- reputation will be the linchpin of the system. I'm confident that our reputation system will be unique and innovative, not in relation to SteemIt, but compared to any other network that I've ever seen. Reputation is really an afterthought for most systems; it's going to be a defining, core element in Narrative.
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