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Hey Founders...where did you all go?

Emily Barnett ·
Hi Founders, Congratulations on your Niches. I am excited to be a reader, contributor, and hopefully a moderator for some of these terrific Niches that are now in existence. I have noticed that many of the founders have seemly left the building when it comes to voting on the Niches suggested by the patrons . I would encourage you to participate in this round of voting, even though you have your niches, for the following reasons: 1. Most of you have been here from the beginning, and are a lot...
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Vote and Rating

Hans Gruber ·
Dear community, Recently, I have posted my first article on Narrative; namely: https://www.narrative.org/post/the-true-greatness-of-the-human-being # As far as I understand it, the "rating" of an article depends on anonymous "votes". So if the "votes" are negative, the resultant "rating" is zero But there are numerous reasons why people give either a negative or a positive vote - and these are by no means all good reasons. A well founded and written article e. g., but with an unusual...
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Gerbino ·
I’ll get right back on it! We don’t want it all to fall to pieces 😱
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Emily Barnett ·
Hah hah hah Thank you kindly @Gerbino
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Malkazoid ·
Emily - I have heard your call loud and clear. Thank you very much for this. My excuse is I've been in crunch mode on a deadline, whilst simultaneously schlepping through 4 flights between Portugal and Japan... but Narrative doesn't have any use for our excuses - it needs to succeed, period! On to it now.
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Whitmal ·
HI, After reading this I voted on all the available niches under review. Voting now is very important!
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Hickster747 ·
I'm still keeping an eye on the topics. I find it fascinating to see what's suggested and voting will be even more important to combat duplication etc. as the number of niches grows.
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Emad ·
Emily, you are very active, and I like to read all your topics
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Soňa ·
I was off for two days. But now I am back and ready to support all those interesting niches that appeared in ballot box. Hope that Equality gets approved!
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Emily Barnett ·
Well thank you @Emad this middle-aged lady will happily accept your compliments. And thank you to everyone for hearing my call, and jumping right in, and to those that have been sticking with it all along...I love how invested people are in the success of this thing. It just demonstrates how powerful decentralization truly is. We are setting the tone here, in a short amount of time we will double and then triple in size and the demands of building this will be shared by other new comers.
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Emily Barnett ·
It is doing much better now @Soňa . Thank you. This one niche is meaningful. If it got voted down for inaccurate reasons, I think it would be pretty disappointing to many, not just myself. Glad to have you back btw!
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MichelleG ·
It is really nice to have someone rallying the troops as it were. Inspiring those of us who ever close windows to click them open again, and those of us who never close them to do some clicking and reading. Thanks for taking on the job Emily.
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Soňa ·
Yes, it is definitely one of the key topics in today society. And many people will surely follow it, including myself, I am glad you suggested it. On another note, it is really great to go through the ballot box every time and see all the new interesting topics appear there. There are of course some repetitive topics but there are also many inspiring ideas and it's just encouraging to watch the diversity. So agreeing with @MichelleG , thanks Emily for being active!
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Emily Barnett ·
Thanks @Soňa and @MichelleG It's a group effort. Another day someone else will notice and put out a call...what a lovely thing to have nobody yet everybody in charge. Freedom, I call it.
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Hans Gruber ·
Thanks. If this suggestion was realized a debate would ensue with the critic. But there is nothing wrong with a properly led debate. Rather, it is most instructive for the readers. It could e. g. be combined with a voting at its end (after a certain limited time span); and if the critic had lost it, he would be required to withdraw his negative vote on the article in question. This would also ensure a high quality of the debate!
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Hans Gruber ·
What I don't understand, either: Votes on an article are especially problematic, if e. g. material disadvantages are connected with it. Besides, votes (possibly motivated by bad reasons) are not a reliable indication of the quality of an article. Even majorities don't need to be right. Numerous political, social or historical examples for this. So why votes on an article at all? Personally, I read the title and first paragraph of a given article, and then decide completely for myself whether...
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Hans Gruber ·
Whether downvote, "disagree" or "low quality", it is just a viewpoint that needs to be explained. Otherwise, it is not fair; and in this case it invites the suspicion that there is no good reason for it. For a good reason could be easily defended, but a bad reason not. In this latter case, there should be no vote in the first place! For grown-ups should take resonsability for their views and certainly not hide behind anonymity.
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Hans Gruber ·
Besides, who needs the unexplained (!) views of others to make a decision about the quality of an article? Only people who cannot think for themselves and come to their own view about an article; or who let themselves be easily influenced. This should not be supported.
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Hans Gruber ·
On the proposal mentioned above: "If this suggestion was realized a debate would ensue with the critic. But there is nothing wrong with a properly led debate. Rather, it is most instructive for the readers. ...." # Proper (!) debates are rare; and it would be a very good project for Narrative to support them. There are certain rules to it, e. g.: # Each person has let's say seven statements, with each statement limited in its length, to avoid imprecision, palaver etc. # A panel of highly...
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Robert Nicholson ·
In looking at your post, one thing comes immediately to mind. You included many images. Unless you are the owner of those images, or you properly licensed them, somebody may have found the original source and then downvoted your post for an AUP violation.
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Hans Gruber ·
Thanks. # All images are from two friends - a Buddhist Malaysian designer and (the last) a German photographer. They gave me the permission earlier, but I will ask them again and then mention them there. I should have done it from the start. # The only other image, a Tesla quote on Akaasha and Praana, has been removed now and substituted with just a textual quote. # If it is not about the contents, but just about the image rights, there should not be a downvote in my view. Rather, there...
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Robert Nicholson ·
Just to be very clear - it sounds like @Hans Gruber has been responsible about the sources of his images, so this is not about his post, but more to help everyone understand image copyrights. Contrary to what many people think, attributing an image does not make it OK to use. You must either own the rights, or have permission. And unless an image has been specifically released into the public domain, it is automatically protected by copyright law at the time of it's creation. It doesn't need...
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Hans Gruber ·
Thanks, also for your different informative articles! So I guess that it is enough to say: "With kind permission of" the respective rights holders, after they have given it, and also the email or the website of the respective rights holders.
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Vico Biscotti ·
I'm perfectly aware that downvotes can originate from abuses, @Hans Gruber , and we certainly need something to prevent this. Prevention by means of pattern detection is certainly possible and also by penalization of accounts with clearly abusive conducts. But at the same time, I'm favorable to downvotes and to downvotes to remain anonymous. We all agree that quality is subjective, but the rating is not about determining the quality of the article, rather its appreciation by the community,...
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Hans Gruber ·
Thank you. But if "public downvoting" is problematic (and I see your points), just let the person remain anonymous! Where is the problem? BUT nonetheless make it an obligation for them to publically explain any downvote. As said before, good reasons can be easily defended, bad reasons not. There are certainly not always good reasons for a downvote! When it comes to philosophy, religion or spirituality there are numerous dubious reasons why a person can feel irritated. So let the downvoters...
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Vico Biscotti ·
I'm still not convinced, @Hans Gruber . Voting is a subjective expression of appreciation. It's not a measure of "quality". As such, I don't feel the need for justifying the vote. I just feel the need to fight abuses, and that can be done in many ways, without the need to force members to justify their votes. As an example, months ago I suggested an alternative voting system which would not only remove downvotes but also abuses on voting. Details here:...
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Hans Gruber ·
Voting can just as much also be a subjective expression of bad reasons and letting the voter get away with it, as it is the case now! Obvious! Besides, who needs the unexplained (!!!) votes of others to come to a decision about the quality of an article? Only people who cannot form their own judgement and constantly look at the opinions of others. In the historical Buddha's teaching "manipulability" is one of the major obstacles to any truly higher development: What we are here for! And that...
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Vico Biscotti ·
I'm not defending abuses, @Hans Gruber . Exactly the contrary. I've spoken against abuses since the beginning of this beta. And my suggestion about an alternative voting system also shows that I'm not defending any status quo. I'm only defending the reader right to not have to justify his or her vote. We have alternative ways to fight abuses. And it's the responsibility to the content creator to deduce what available feedback - or absence of feedback - means.
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Hans Gruber ·
Let me put it simply: What is the rating percentage at the end of an article meant to serve? Why should people look at it before reading the article without bias, or before judging for themselves after the first paragraphs whether it is worth it? Give me one really good reason! But nothing said here against general reactions (by smileys e. g.), without any rating percentage deduced from it.
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Hans Gruber ·
Sorry, just overlooked your last response. The content creator can be critisized for a whole number of reasons - good or bad ones. They cannot find out for what reasons exactly without any public explanations of the criticism. Impossible - wishful thinking. Moreover, it is not the job of the content creator to "deduce", as you say, with a lot of effort here or there what the reasons might be, in the end possibly not finding any good reason at all. Rather, it is the clear job of the critics...
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Vico Biscotti ·
Rating is there for transparency, even if I can agree that's only partial transparency, at least at this stage of the platform. Can it influence the reader? Of course. As do titles, featured images, the author profile, the niches in which the article is published, the comments, the way the platform presents the piece, and so on. It's up to the reader to decide what is value for him or her. And if he or she is biased in this judgment... this is human nature. But I've experienced that rating...
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Hans Gruber ·
1) Sorry to say, but your comparison falls totally short: If a particular person does not buy your book it does not influence the others in their buying decision at all. For these others won't know about that particular person who hasn't bought your book, and why he hasn't. But if a person on Narrative downvotes an article and without making transparent why, it will influence the rating percentage of that author (with rewards disadvantages). This, in turn, can negatively influence others in...
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Hans Gruber , you label the position of wanting downvotes to be anonymous as authoritarian, but I don't see your position of a mandatory justification less authoritarian. To be honest, I would also consider the tone of your argumentation - speaking also of cowardy and lethargy - authoritarian. Discussing with respect is one thing, expressing judgment this way is a clear no go for discussion, for me. A discussion which is already beyond the usefulness of this thread. Anyway. The example of...
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Hans Gruber ·
# We could go on with it, but I feel everything has been said about it on both sides. # For me it is quite a simple thing: Crticism of contents, especially if it has certain consequences on material rewards etc., needs to be made transparent. Just general good common sense! Otherwise, it inevitably invites the suspicion why the person is hiding and what. There are various possibilities regarding their motives. # My examples above (accused by you) are real possibilities, but of course not...
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Hans Gruber ·
ROBERT NICHOLSON The question around the image rights in my article has been settled. The owners of the image rights (they made the images) gave me their kind permission. See the intro on top of the article; and in the respective image captions. Kind regards, Hans
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Christina Gleason ·
Late to this conversation, but including email addresses in your posts is also an AUP violation, so make sure to mention websites, not emails.
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Hans Gruber ·
Thanks! Only the websites have been mentioned along with those images in my article from the start! But anybody can of course find the emails via the websites, if they are interested in a personal contact. They are published there.
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Christina Gleason ·
I didn't make the rules, I just know what they are and wanted to let you know so you didn't accidentally end up getting reported for posting other people's email addresses.
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Hans Gruber ·
Thanks!
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