Tagged With "description"

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Texas niche, description

Malkazoid ·
Hello all, I found myself having to downvote the Texas niche, even though I really wanted to upvote it. It makes specific mention of crypto discussions in its description, and I see this as very detrimental to Narrative because it leaves users with the distinct impression that the platform is crypto focused. A niche about a state or a country should be about that state or country and everything pertaining to it. A specific mention of crypto means Narrative aims to discuss everything in...
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Niche validation voting, and reputation

Malkazoid ·
Hello @Narrative Network Team Voting for the niches is becoming quite time consuming especially if we want to leave informative comments for any downvotes, or a controversial upvote. And yet the community must do this in order for the platform to work. 1) This may already be the case, but in case it isn't, I propose that the voting activity from the outset of the Chaucer Alpha be taken into account in the initial reputation scoring when the platform launches. This way the people putting...
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Top of the News niche

Malkazoid ·
Hello, I don't mean to pick on this niche - I think there is a viable niche there. The problem is with the current description: Share opinions and views on the top stories in the news and current affairs. Are we to understand that the niche mods will take it upon themselves to curate a Top 10, Top 20, or Top 50 of what they consider to be the biggest stories? If so, then I would have voted Yes. But currently, the description leaves it open to interpretation and does not specify that there...
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Is it CURRENTLY possible to edit the name/description of a niche you submitted?

Christina Gleason ·
I'm asking because of the Drinking Alcohol niche I suggested here: https://alpha.narrative.org/hq/approval/25946601693388838 I added a line about the legal drinking age specifically to avoid the "encouraging illegal activity" part of the TOS, but others find it problematic, which is pretty much the opposite of why I included it in the first place. (I am autistic and thought I was preventing a problem, not causing one!) I know there's been talk in here about being able to edit suggested niche...
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Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
...or is there any way for us to make suggestions for changes to the Tribunal? Because BLOG and Internet social media are TERRIBLE.
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An interesting case of niche overlap

Malkazoid ·
Suggested in fairly quick succession, these two niches seem to have just the right (or wrong) amount of overlap to make an interesting case study in how different two niches need to be in order to be considered unique enough for Narrative to benefit from having both. Algorithmic Art (submitted first) https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/22568778465722584 and Generative art https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/25524374813357414 They are different: generative art is more inclusive and includes...
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Niche descriptions where the suggester talks about him/herself

M ·
Hello! @MOLLY O - there is a niche you have voted to approve, that references the suggester in the description: https://alpha.narrative.org/hq/approval/26509572804797087 Up until now, we have quite consistently voted down such niches - and I think it is optimal to do so. Users, especially new users, could easily become confused about what the niche is for: is it a public space where everyone can submit, or is it some sort of private space dedicated the niche owner has...
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How do you standardize clarity?

Emily Barnett ·
I have been an active Narrative member since before Alpha launched. One of the most fascinating things about being one of the early adopters is getting to watch how the platform continuously change, as new crops of people affect the development of it. It is truly exciting! As of late though, I am noticing a voting tendency, that I would like to call attention too, because in my opinion could become quite problematic. I am noticing Niche down-voting tendencies because the description "could...
Suggestion

When choosing niches to post content, search should look at names AND descriptions

Christina Gleason ·
This was a suggestion I made in the forums, so I'm going to copy my forum text: One thing that's really needed is when choosing three niches for our content, we need search to look at niche names and descriptions. I've had to open two separate tabs when drafting content so that I can use the search bar to look for appropriate niches because some niches do not have intuitive names and the relevant information only shows up in the description... while the drop down suggestions as you type only...
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Duplicate niche alert - Marijuana

Malkazoid ·
There is currently a Marijuana niche being voted on, and it has 70% approval, despite being redundant. A cannabis niche already exists. Please go and vote down so we don't end up with a tribunal appeal. https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10464048070966420 As an aside, to @christian - who I believe is the owner of the Cannabis niche - it might be useful to add a number of other aliases for Cannabis in your description. It is good that you already have Marijuana in there, but...
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Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Hello, @MOLLY O recently posted an excellent blog post regarding how to suggest viable niches. A quote from this article: I recently submitted an appeal to the Tribunal regarding this niche: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/shopping The description of the niche is clearly mismatched: "all article related to shopping online" The problem exhibited by the description mismatch for the Shopping niche is exactly the type of problem warned against in Molly's article, and yet...
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Niche purpose: Does name niche or description carry more weight?

Christina Gleason ·
I'm going to preface this by stating the precedent the Tribunal has already set forth with the BLOG niche - saying that the name clearly made it the top level niche about blogging even though the description was a hot mess - and the Haiku niche - which had an edit denied to change the name to be more inclusive of other poetry forms, because the Tribunal believed the niche was clearly intended to ONLY be about Haiku. So we have a PRECEDENT where the niche name matters a whole lot more than...
Conversation

Writing Niche - Again

Shaine ·
I just won the Writing Niche yesterday. It came with the description: It turns out there is already The Writing Life Niche: And, there appears to have been past drama about this very niche. https://community.narrative.or.../topic/writing-niche It is not my intent to turn this into a rehash. @Wild Speculation and I are willing to work with each other to differentiate sufficiently for minimal overlap. We just are not certain how to go about it. He has already changed his niche this...
Issue

Niche management

blueeyes8960 ·
The "Contest" niche has spelling errors in its description. Here is how it stands now: All the contest in Narrative platfrom where users can earn NRVE tokens. Users can create contest and giveaway free NRVE tokens to participants and winners of the contest. Should be: All the contests in the Narrative platform where users can earn NRVE tokens. Users can create a contest and giveaway free NRVE tokens to participants and winners of the contest. Would it then be the Tribunals job to request the...
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The edit of the Creativity niche changed the meaning of the niche

Vico Biscotti ·
The description of the Creativity niche has been changed, and the edit has been approved by the Tribunal . However, the edit changes the meaning of the niche from the act and the process of creativity to a place to share the product of your creativity or your creative ideas (a very general scope). The edit is a major one, and it completely changes the wording and the scope of the niche. I raised the discussion on Narrative , but I'm posting as an issue here too because we members have no...
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Tribunal process

Malkazoid ·
Hello all, A current appeal has revealed some interesting issues with the Tribunal process that I think might be able to be fixed with a small tweak. The problems - Currently once all tribunal members have voted, the appeal ends immediately regardless of the 7 day clock. - This is causing Tribunal members to vote in favour of a niche they say they may vote against later if the description has not been changed, perhaps not during the current appeal, but during a subsequent one. They vote in...
Suggestion

An option to appeal name/description for non-niche owners

Gosia Rokicka ·
There should be an option to appeal the name and/or description change rather than only the existence of the niche, if you are not the niche owner. At present it's impossible. If someone disagrees with a niche as it is named/described but is not the owner of this niche (someone else is or the niche is unpurchased) the only route to take is to appeal the niche altogether which is often counterproductive and simply wrong because the niche itself is valid. There are plenty of ill-defined or...
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Brian Lenz ·
Hi @Malkazoid , I can see where you're coming from here. I think this is a matter of standards vs. best practices. The Tribunal (and community!) really should only be rejecting niches based on the criteria set by the system: unique, no profanity, no misspellings, English, and complies with the TOS. I don't see imperfection (or lack of perfect consistency) as a standard that must be upheld. There is gray area and margin for error. Some niche descriptions are sub-optimal and may not follow...
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Thanks Brian - that does help me understand your process. You did leave out one of the rejection criteria that is available to voters: "The niche name/description is unclear/incorrect." This is grounds for rejection, and it describes the current issue very well. I'd like to make a recommendation. I agree whole-heartedly that rejecting the niche is not optimal. But I feel equally strongly that leaving it in its current state is undesirable. More so than rejecting the niche. After all, if...
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Bryan ·
Not abiding by standards should be grounds for rejection for this reason... people with poorly written and/or unclear Niche descriptions MAY argue later that another Niche is violating their airspace. Hey, no fair. That's what I MEANT to say... It's a problem. Especially when the voting public is full of un-educated, or non-credentialed, voters (no offense intended).
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Exactly - and there is something inherently wrong with a niche going through a Tribunal appeal, diverting their attention from other things... and yet STILL coming out the other side flawed in such a blatant way. I really think the Tribunal needs to make these tweaks while they are at it. It is bad for Narrative for sloppy niches to remain, and it is a very bad look for the project to observe the sloppiness and do nothing about it.
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Gord ·
Sounds like a good platform to campaign on for the next Tribunal election
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Re: Niche descriptions where the suggester talks about him/herself

MOLLY O ·
You have a good point….I didn't really read this as this was the suggesters Niche — unlike others that have been more blatant. But, I can read it that way now. I do really like the Niche topic and how it is described (absent the first part of the first sentence). Thanks for flagging it for me.
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Re: Niche descriptions where the suggester talks about him/herself

M ·
So do I! It is a fantastic niche. I've updated my comment to specifically encourage the suggester to suggest again! The suggester actually beat me to it: I was going to suggest a copyright niche. But come to think of it, copyright is more specific than intellectual property so I will probably still suggest it.
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Re: Niche descriptions where the suggester talks about him/herself

Christina Gleason ·
Thank you. All these self-referential descriptions have been driving me bonkers.
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Re: Is it CURRENTLY possible to edit the name/description of a niche you submitted?

Malkazoid ·
Hi Christina, I wondered the same thing recently - and it does not seem that functionality has been added yet. A few days ago I tried to revive a thread where this was the topic: https://community.narrative.or...d-niches-are-handled But I wouldn't expect much in response until we're well clear of the New Year period. This functionality would be really helpful. Meanwhile, don't get discouraged! Your niche suggestions are great!
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Re: Is it CURRENTLY possible to edit the name/description of a niche you submitted?

Ted ·
To confirm what @Malkazoid said, that feature is not yet supported, unfortunately.
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Drixx Madison ·
You raise excellent points and concerns. I fully agree with you about standards because it's easy to default to a journalistic or academic research standard of what excellent writing is, even though most people don't communicate that way. I also find myself up-voting topics I use to deem repetitive because the content posted and vibes of each niches may feel completely different. What if only 1 TV station was allowed to report thunder storms. Haha What if the 2nd duplicate niche owner is...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Malkazoid ·
I loved this rant Emily! And I agree with most of it. I've been around since before the Alpha too, and I agree the patterns in participation and voting since the early days have been fascinating! I'm loving, in particular, that the latest wave of niche writing has been really good (and I attribute that in part to the strictness of our voting: when standards are too lax, people just don't try as hard). Subjectivity: yes, it is inevitable, and perfectly acceptable to have our own standards for...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

David Dreezer ·
@Emily Barnett This post got everything off of my chest that has been growing there. This is why I used the description I did about Molly's post. It is mean to help people that want to learn to write more attractive Niches. It is not the 10 Commandments of Niches. You get it. Thank you! Your thoughts over Biscuits are exactly where I am with the failed Tool Niche. I'm heartbroken for the guy that suggested it. Look, spelling does count. Descriptions do count. If I'm writing Red Sox content...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Malkazoid ·
I have empathy for anyone who sees a niche they suggested being rejected, but my heart doesn't break for them. In the scheme of things, it just isn't a big deal. We improve by failing, and by learning not to fail in the same way the next time. In a funny way, the way the Tool niche failed is the same way the Narrative team are failing over this very issue, so there is a strange kind of logic in your empathy for the suggester. The team is currently assuming it has communicated how the...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

David Dreezer ·
The Tribunal's job isn't to fix problems or edit typos. They Tribunal's job is to review those changes. And they do. They adjudicate. That's what they do. People submit Niches with typo fixes almost every day. It's the Community's job to do QA, not the Tribunal. And not the company. And the Community is doing that. HOW that QA is done, is the discussion here, right?
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Malkazoid ·
Narrative Company has decided the Tribunal should not fix errors, but that doesn’t mean we can’t question the efficiency of that decision. Until someone clarifies a way to be certain the problems get fixed, if the Tribunal is going to adjudicate in such a way that the problems persist (approving niches with problems) then we haven’t solved anything. If the solution is for niches to bounce back and forth between the community, suggester and Tribunal multiple times - shouldn’t it be for more...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

David Dreezer ·
But that's entirely incorrect. If the Tribunal were to approve a Niche with a typo AND the owner doesn't correct it then it might gain little or no content, fail, and ultimately dies due to poor reputation. You don't look at it, I don't look at it, and and it then goes away. It's incumbent upon the Niche owner to get it right. If they fix the issue then it has a better chance of success, if they don't then the Community ignores it and it fails. The Community will have spoken by the Niche's...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Malkazoid ·
It is not incorrect. Lets walk through it. As I've previously mentioned, a niche holds a space that cannot be duplicated (uniqueness). So a niche we approve, but that fails to gain traction because of its name or category doesn't just die due to poor reputation: it prevents what could be a successful niche from existing. Can we agree that that is worth being concerned about? Second, following your hypothetical that a niche gains traction WITH a typo - you ask who cares. You should care. A...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Emily Barnett ·
Glad you like my rant @Malkazoid after an intense season of work, it feels good to be back in the Narrativerse!! Ha..I hope I was missed a little. Boy this is a good topic because I really can get behind both @David Dreezer and some of your points too Malkazoid. I think what that says is that the answers are very close and we just need as staff and community to try and stay away from the fringes. Basically I agree with everything David said with one exception. As it stands the idea that the...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Christina Gleason ·
Apparently I'm late to this discussion. I think it's fairly obvious that I agree most with Malkazoid's perspective, though my voting is probably viewed as "harsher." I am autistic, so I do have my own standards based on my interpretation of the rules and suggestions we've been given about new niches because that is how things make sense to me. If I'm the only person who votes to reject a niche, I'm okay with that, because I have generally commented with my reasoning, which I hope will be...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Malkazoid ·
Emily, it is great to have you back! Regarding your opinion that I am being cavalier, I respect your opinion, but I think you are wrong. As I've said explicitly in this thread, I have empathy for anyone who has their niche suggestion rejected. Rejection of any kind is not most people's idea of fun. But we have to keep this in perspective. A healthy response to rejection is to try again. As my many comments on niche approval pages will attest, I tend to take the time to encourage people...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Malkazoid ·
Here's another thought, although there seems to be a lot of resistance to the Tribunal doing anything beyond rejecting or approving. Why can't the Tribunal appeal become a two way street? When the community has gone to the trouble to point out a niche is not meeting a standard of clarity, and has often suggested fixes in the comments - why waste this? Why doesn't the Tribunal use those comments as a starting point to offer a revised niche description to the niche suggester, which the...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Malkazoid ·
Oh, @Emily Barnett , just one more thing that disturbed me a little: I'm quite sure I never said the Tool niche was 'obtuse'. I used that word in a paragraph that had nothing to do with the Tool niche, and was talking about niche standards in general. I take it this was just a mistake you made, and not an attempt to make me look like I'm being a jerk to the Tool niche suggester? Because between this, and the 'cavalier' comment, I am wondering a little. I have not been anything else but...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Christina Gleason ·
I have as well. THIS is what a good name and description look like!
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Malkazoid ·
Exactly - problem solved! In the end, I think this shows the way forwards. We should take rejection in our stride, even if it sucks - and just resubmit an improved niche. Everybody wins, because the network becomes a place where content is easier to find. Onwards!
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Emily Barnett ·
Narrative is really frustrating me. Like to the point where I feel that it is a chore currently. Not the format. But this exclusionary approach that has been happening since the rep has been added, when it comes to voting. Here is the thing that this thread was about when i started it. The rejection rule is: "Is the Niche name/description unclear or incorrect". It doesn't state "could it be clearer or better marketed" that would be a different reason for rejecting, which is not a currently...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Emily Barnett ·
@Malkazoid , sorry for the 2 day delay getting back to your comments. I didn't mean to offend you. I definitely wasn't trying to make you look like a jerk. Now I am walking a fine line here, because it wasn't my intention to call anyone out with this thread, nor was the "Tool" case not actually even one that i was even referring to with this thread...it just kind of slipped that way. I actually don't find you to be one of the people who is voting things down consistently for not being clear...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Malkazoid ·
@Emily Barnett - do you really, sincerely feel some people are gaming the system by downvoting insincerely, to prevent the people they are downvoting from gaining reputation? You mitigate your sentence somewhat by saying 'even if it is not the person's intention'. But if it isn't the person's intention, it can't be 'gaming the system'. Either people are sincerely voting what they feel is best for the platform, or they are gaming the system... it can't really be both. So if it is gaming the...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Christina Gleason ·
Thank you for saying this, @Malkazoid . It's okay for people not to agree on everything. I know I'm a bit stricter in my voting, but now I don't feel too much of a burden about it because your vote is equal to mine, so if I'm "wrong" about something, you can effectively cancel my vote. A week ago, it would take at least two people to be able to do that, and it made me hesitate to cast votes at all on certain niches. I do intend to try to vote on EVERY niche, but if I'm leaning toward reject...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Emily Barnett ·
@Malkazoid actually it is you and @Christina Gleason who are joining me, in asking to remove the seven day block, as it was my initial post that suggested it, with you both adding into the dialog...but whatever. https://community.narrative.or...ant-and-other-issues To answer your question, no I Don't really think people are gaming the system intentionally, but given that I have never met anyone on this platform in person, and there are many new people whom I haven't connected with continuous...
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Christina Gleason ·
Thank you. Wanna make a pact? When Beta goes live, we celebrate with cupcakes for breakfast! Or delicious muffins - which are definitely not cupcakes, but can be just as enjoyable when you get them with chocolate chips in them, or topped with brown sugar and cinnamon!
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Emily Barnett ·
I think that is a swell idea! Maybe we can get it trending...where we get everybody to take a celebratory breakfast photo with a cake, cupcake or muffins.
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Re: How do you standardize clarity?

Malkazoid ·
I was unfair in blindsiding you Emily, without mentioning that I was responding in great part to what you said on Telegram recently. I actually thought we had all agreed to disagree, tacitly. So when I saw you talking about exclusionary voting and how annoyed you were, I guess your annoyance bred annoyance in me. Funny how that works sometimes. And yes - you may well have originated the idea of removing the lock out period for niche suggesting - if so, I’d love for us to focus on that idea...
 
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