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Niche validation voting, and reputation

Malkazoid ·
Hello @Narrative Network Team Voting for the niches is becoming quite time consuming especially if we want to leave informative comments for any downvotes, or a controversial upvote. And yet the community must do this in order for the platform to work. 1) This may already be the case, but in case it isn't, I propose that the voting activity from the outset of the Chaucer Alpha be taken into account in the initial reputation scoring when the platform launches. This way the people putting...
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Whitmal ·
HI Since they want good content maybe keeping it the way it is will drive people to take their time and post well written descriptions.
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Dr. Rick ·
I agree with a lot of what you are saying @Malkazoid , if I down vote a niche, I certainly want to give the creator a reason why which of course takes time. I also worry that when the volume of niche's increases I may simply miss a good niche and not give a vote to it. I think the idea of rewarding those taking the time to vote and thus putting the effort in is a good one. I also think having a scoring system also is good although I'm not sure of penalising those users that vote against the...
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Emily Barnett ·
Thank you for posting this @Malkazoid I intended to post a similar post, but wanted to wait until my niche selection was done. I think the time invested for voting must be counted towards ones community reputation. If you spend time pitching in to build all the houses in a community, you should get recognition for doing so. Following the same analogy...if you show up to build those houses and you don't know what you are doing, or worse yet have malicious intent, which results in making other...
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Dr. Rick ·
Another idea I had for speeding up the voting process when you wanted to leave a comment perhaps would be have a multiple choice of boiler plate reason why you up\down vote (duplicate, not inappropriate etc.) or more vote button rather than Yes/No, e.g. No Duplicate, No Inappropriate etc.
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Dr. Rick ·
Yes that works for me. Perhaps also ... No - other "fill in blank" too ?
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Emily Barnett ·
Maybe just No --dupicate of "fill in the blank" No--offensive to the community
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Bryan ·
Or... Abstain -- need more information, vague description, poorly written, etc.
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Texas niche, description

Malkazoid ·
Hello all, I found myself having to downvote the Texas niche, even though I really wanted to upvote it. It makes specific mention of crypto discussions in its description, and I see this as very detrimental to Narrative because it leaves users with the distinct impression that the platform is crypto focused. A niche about a state or a country should be about that state or country and everything pertaining to it. A specific mention of crypto means Narrative aims to discuss everything in...
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RobbyCannard ·
Great post @Malkazoid I completely agree, I have also been put off by some of the descriptions which is a real shame as most of the time I really like the niche. Maybe we need the facility to offer suggestions to improve the description. There may be occasions where people are able to articulate the description, as a community it would be fantastic if we were able to support each other
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Bryan ·
Agreed. I just voted YES for FISHING but had the same reservations about the description — and commented on the ballot. If it's just unique and non-TOS-violating ... then we lack the ability to provide any qualitative assessment.
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Malkazoid ·
The sooner we get some clarity on this, the better... I think the process needs to change.
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Emily Barnett ·
I hate to admit it, but i never even caught that. Texas is now up for bids. It can be appealed to the tribunal before it goes through bidding. I agree, this was misleading.
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Emily Barnett ·
I did appeal it to the tribunal that the crypto frontier should be removed, but that the niche should remain otherwise. I think it would be nice if someone else could do the same so I am not alone in my suggestion of a correction.
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Brian Lenz ·
Hi @Malkazoid et al., thanks for your thoughts. I'm not anticipating a change to allow granular approval or rejection of just the niche name or the niche description. I think that would get confusing very quickly and introduces more problems than it actually solves. Niches should be considered in their entirety when voting, and the tribunal will do so, as well. In my opinion, the Texas niche is clearly all about the state of Texas. The fact that it simply mentions crypto isn't grounds for...
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John Clare ·
I think the Niches need to try to be specific as possible what it wants to accomplish (which can be pretty hard). I think it will be possible to iron out some of these kinks though once it is purchased. It would be nice though if there could be an easier once to edit descriptions, offer suggestions to editing it, etc.
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Malkazoid ·
Fair enough Brian - but that does leave the concern of folks perceiving Narrative as crypto-centric unaddressed? In my opinion, even a whiff of this will lose us users. Statistically, the way to look at it is to consider the sum total of niches at launch, and what proportion of them are either directly about crypto, or mention crypto in the description, even though the niche name is far more general. That proportion, we know, will be inordinately high compared to the interests of the general...
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Soňa ·
Good points @Malkazoid ! Totally agree. I think we already had a discussion about niche names + descriptions somewhere sometime in this forum. And I believe that this problem should be addressed. It is definitely good to have the guidelines that the niches should not be redundant + offensive but same as you, but I don't think that they are enough. I would just summarize it... 1) There still are niches where the title and description do not correspond; either there is something that I am...
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Emily Barnett ·
Hi. I am in agreement with @Malkazoid And @Soňa are saying. Mass adoption is important on this platform for it's success. Throwing crypto in to a Niche about life in Texas is inappropriate, and misleading, and at worst a money grab, if it was done intentionally. I did not notice it when I voted it and that is why i rejected it to the tribunal. My suggestion to you both is to do the same. Things can be rejected by multiple people, and a reason stated. I wrote that the Niche is strong, but...
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Malkazoid ·
I put in for the appeal too... 2 of 6 tribunal members have voted, both to approve the niche. My sense is the other members will too since Brian is correct in stating the niche is not violating any of the criteria. I’m happy for the niche to be approved - what I don’t want is for the problem of the description to be swept under the carpet in the process.
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Emily Barnett ·
well perhaps just the mere fact that it went to tribunal and that people in the community think that the description needs work, will prompt the niche owner to fix it on his own. I really doubt there will be much posting of crypto content to it. So why potentially weaken your niche? Texas could be a really great earning Niche with such a loyal following.
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Michael Farris ·
A perfect alpha issue .... I'm with Brian on not making the voting more complex but I do think there's work to be done in making people choose their reasons. Eventually, your voting will put your reputation at stake so thoughtless clicking will be reduced. That will be a tricky algorithm but definitely in the works I wish [this is not a feature under consideration] there were some tidy way to send a niche back for fixing early in the game. Quite a few are simply malformed. Do they need to be...
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Soňa ·
Thank you for your reply! In fact, it got me to think of another issue which I always consider a good thing since it leads to a deeper understanding and more discussion which is always interesting Now in this niche voting if I consider the basic rules we approve/disapprove that the niche is not redundant (or offensive - this is just automatic, so I will omit the rule for now). We do that based on niche name and the description. Now if you say that the description might not be that important...
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Emily Barnett ·
@Michael Farris Strong English skills in a description is important! To say that people won't read the descriptions as much is not as important, is Crazy Talk! The Niches are like Magazines...a standard for which to aspire to get your content posted on for greater visibility. What Magazine would publish a cover with poorly written headlines and say that it doesn't matter as much? You may be right that there will be people who want to post on your Niche no matter what the description says,...
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Emily Barnett ·
@Michael Farris I use "crazy talk" for flamboyant effect, not to disrespect. Who we are as writers shall emerge from here. I enjoy all your comments.
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Soňa ·
Totally agree with you @Emily Barnett ! I am also looking for quality content where good English skills and interesting point of views, opinions, discussions are expected. And I came to Narrative exactly because it seemed to me that it can fulfill those expectations. I hope that the platform is being made also with this goal in mind...
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Gerbino ·
Hey @Malkazoid . I don’t know if it would be wise to try and decouple the niche name from the description when voting. I’ll use a couple of my niches as an example.. If I had submitted ‘Beauty’ as a niche suggestion, with a description of ‘The Beauty Industry and beautiful crypto discussion ’, which is then voted in as a niche as the name is unique (and perceived meaning of the niche), but the description rejected due to randomly adding ‘crypto’, I could then change the description to ‘The...
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Emily Barnett ·
@Gerbino my understanding is that changes go up before the community again. I could be wrong....lots of different rules. But I thought i read that somewhere. So the community would have final say on the new encroachment...ultimately people should just not encroach...it isn't a good strategy anyways....content providers are going to go with the clearest niche for their topic.
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Malkazoid ·
Here was my train of thought: a) Surely the search function that kicks in when people are tagging their content will search description text as well as niche names? Surely? b) The owner of the niche - who will probably end up being the person who chose to put cryptocurrency in the very brief description of the 'Texas' niche, will be approaching content producers. Not a stretch to believe he'll be soliciting material from crypto bloggers, and the Texas crypto scene... c) My hunch is that both...
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Malkazoid ·
Hi Gerbino, I think you may have misunderstood what the niche validation process is about. A niche name should not be redundant, and should not violate policy. That is all the approval we get to give, when it comes to a niche name. So no matter how the description might change, the niche name is either valid with respect to those criteria or not. Once it has been found to be valid, a change of description is not a problem. The only problem we have here, is that we're getting bad, confusing...
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks for those thoughts - this makes sense to me. Words matter. Especially in written media (hehe)... I've said it a few times before, and I think we'll all have said it many times before Narrative has grown into its own: words matter and we are creating our path with them. We have to get our messaging right early on. In a hundred little ways, inefficiencies can be introduced without the proper care to wording. Look at the maximum bid functionality for Chaucer. The developers went to the...
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TheRandomOne ·
Thank you everyone for the thoughtfulness of this discussion along with clearly articulating concerns regarding the description. I am (pending the Tribunal review) the current proud owner of the Texas Niche. I see two levels of this discussion: 1) The Macro level as in the Tribunal review process which I imagine should have a standardized and consistent process and I will happily comply with that judgement from editing the description to (in the worst case) bidding temporary farewell to my...
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Malkazoid ·
Hello TheRandomOne - thanks for introducing yourself and sharing more insight into your passion for Texas. I think we've lucked out here: you seem to embody the kind of rational approach that can help our niches be guided towards a coupling of niche name and niche description that creates an intuitive and efficient user experience for the millions of creators we expect to call Narrative home. I don't want the system to rely on everyone being as reasonable as you, though. I'm very grateful...
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Emily Barnett ·
Hi @TheRandomOne Welcome to the conversation.. and a pleasure to have your voice wade in. As we chatted via telegram's pm service. I want to reiterate publicly, that I love the niche idea and just think it is stronger as a single focus. Texas. Our crypto community is vibrant and well supported on Narrative. What we need a lot more of, is Niches that support the none crypto community as they enter our stratosphere, such as your Texas. I believe your Niche will be utilized by both the crypto...
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Emily Barnett ·
Not trying to sound like a parrot to @Malkazoid but rather to reiterate that more than one person thinks we should be able to vote separately on the name and description. Or if it really is to complicated of a voting procedure then, I guess the solution is to work it out amongst ourselves like we just did, but I think that caused a lot of undue concern placed on the part of the winner of a Niche. I can only imaging the crappy feeling one has when you win only to find out somebody rejected it...
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Malkazoid ·
No danger of sounding like a parrot to anyone Emily - your voice and presence are very distinct and valuable! It is very helpful for the community to hear more voices than one, but also helpful to me because everyone needs rational others to help them better understand their own perspective. The ICO and Chaucer alpha are a powerful filter, not only favouring those with crypto knowledge, but probably also selecting for passion, adventurous spirit, and various forms of intelligence. I don't...
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Madhanic ·
Totally agree with you! It would be totally pointless if you can randomly add unrelated topics into the niches!
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Soňa ·
I think @Malkazoid that you summarized it just right! Without proper descriptions that set limits to what niche should and should not contain it would just become a mess. However, I understand the idea that @Michael Farris developed here, that people will rather look at niche names in the end than read through all those descriptions. And perhaps this is how it will look. I personally hope it will not because it seems to me (in addition to arguments stated above) that this system of...
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Soňa ·
@Malkazoid Good idea! Yes, it is already pretty unrelated to the original input. And it is definitely better to move the discussion elsewhere before page 2 is started...which would be now any minute
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Malkazoid ·
I think that has a nice ring to it, and I have no prejudice that would make me feel upset Texas's name was affixed to it! Who knows, Social Network Theory classes may spring up in schools around the world soon, and that name may even become something that is taught. Stranger things have happened.
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Malkazoid ·
Ok - from the chaos of this strange collection of issues, a picture is emerging. I'll start another thread because I don't want this to be forever hitched to The RandomOne's Texas niche! It feels like everything relating to that niche has been neatly resolved (but only because the owner appears to be a reasonable person who has the greater good of the community in mind). I'll link here to the offspring of all of this once the new thread is up. Here it is: ...
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TheRandomOne ·
One last comment from me. As a Texan and knowing that my state really likes to get attention along with an inflated sense of geographic pride, I just ask that whatever decisions, compromise, agreement, or plan results from this case study, that you all consider naming it after Texas. Like the 2018 Texas Agreement. Ha. 😂
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Top of the News niche

Malkazoid ·
Hello, I don't mean to pick on this niche - I think there is a viable niche there. The problem is with the current description: Share opinions and views on the top stories in the news and current affairs. Are we to understand that the niche mods will take it upon themselves to curate a Top 10, Top 20, or Top 50 of what they consider to be the biggest stories? If so, then I would have voted Yes. But currently, the description leaves it open to interpretation and does not specify that there...
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Bryan ·
I think vaguely conceived Niches like this one are composed from a "hey, people might bid on this one" point of view. The suggester has no intention of owning "Top of the news niche". The fact that they included "niche" into the title further proves, to me, that they don't know what they're doing. Prediction: This Niche, if approved, will sit in the No Bids list for perpetuity. Or, it will be bought for a minimum bid and die on the vine for lack of moderators and attractive content.
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Re: Niche validation voting, and reputation

Malkazoid ·
An update here, for anyone who comes to this thread looking for answers on its subject matter. The @Narrative Network Team have shed some light on this in another thread. The post is here: https://community.narrative.ne...21#11588447966872621 The summary is that there is some form of tracking of Chaucer activity that translates into reputation. The bad news is, the team doesn't think posts to this discussion forum should be reflected in any way in your reputation when the platform launches.
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TheRandomOne ·
And now for the rest of the story... I have good news to share as the request to edit the Texas description has been approved. Henceforth, the description is: “A place to discuss Texas culture and ethos.”
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Duplicate niche alert - Marijuana

Malkazoid ·
There is currently a Marijuana niche being voted on, and it has 70% approval, despite being redundant. A cannabis niche already exists. Please go and vote down so we don't end up with a tribunal appeal. https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10464048070966420 As an aside, to @christian - who I believe is the owner of the Cannabis niche - it might be useful to add a number of other aliases for Cannabis in your description. It is good that you already have Marijuana in there, but...
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Michael ·
Agreed. The original Niche is here: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/cannabis Going forward, maybe the Narrative team can add a note on the Niche selection to include synonyms in the description, or a 'synonym cloud' below the niche. Voted. https://www.quora.com/What-are...-using-ML-techniques
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Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Hello, @MOLLY O recently posted an excellent blog post regarding how to suggest viable niches. A quote from this article: I recently submitted an appeal to the Tribunal regarding this niche: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/shopping The description of the niche is clearly mismatched: "all article related to shopping online" The problem exhibited by the description mismatch for the Shopping niche is exactly the type of problem warned against in Molly's article, and yet...
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Thanks Brian - that does help me understand your process. You did leave out one of the rejection criteria that is available to voters: "The niche name/description is unclear/incorrect." This is grounds for rejection, and it describes the current issue very well. I'd like to make a recommendation. I agree whole-heartedly that rejecting the niche is not optimal. But I feel equally strongly that leaving it in its current state is undesirable. More so than rejecting the niche. After all, if...
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