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Ad Revenue and Content Item Score

MichelleG ·
So, this is a post where I'm trying to get clear in my head the relationship between ad revenue and what the narrative organization, content creators, owners and moderators etc. will actually get paid. The owners and moderators payout is parasitic on the content creators' so we can just look at that. I'm new to all this so if somebody could correct any egregious errors, please please do so. In advance , the TL;DR for this post is as follows: How the reputation system works is going to...
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Re: Ad Revenue and Content Item Score

Malkazoid ·
Hello Michelle, Your story lost me a little - forgive me if I've got this all wrong. But I don't see the concern with the Cake guy subsidising the Lord Ruler? In what way is he subsidising him? As far as I've understood, the Lord Ruler simply commented on the Cake guy's content. That comment is the Lord Ruler's contribution - his content. In so far as it is liked, and commented upon in turn, it would represent activity attributable to the Lord Ruler? If the comment is useless and...
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Re: Ad Revenue and Content Item Score

MichelleG ·
So, first of all. THANK YOU for wading through that long, unwieldy post. In this case, I can defintely say - It's not you, it's me. There are several different cases I'm interested in, mostly just for the purpose of thinking about how REP will be calculated and play into content score. Here are two: CASE ONE) Before CAKE hits the big time, the Lord Ruler is potentially dragging CAKE down with his negative reputation. (Lord Ruler is not being subsidized on CASE ONE ). a)If we keep adding...
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Re: Ad Revenue and Content Item Score

Emily Barnett ·
@MichelleG I too am trying to keep up...but I think I get the gist of the questions here, and they are good ones. A major reputation change on a major content provider has more impact that just that person, but also involved moderators and niche owners stand could also stand to loose out, depending on how the rep system works. I want to ruminate on this for a minute. I just woke up and my brain is still foggy...but something tells me it doesn't have to have an effect. caffeine will help me...
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Re: Ad Revenue and Content Item Score

Malkazoid ·
Haha - no worries. I'm guilty of the same on a regular basis. Understood. @Emily Barnett homed in on the simplest solution I think. Increase recomputing frequency. Another approach would be to apply an average at the end of longer periods. The trade off is processing power vs storage. Taking an average at longer intervals requires more data storage to compute the average from. Increased recomputing frequency requires more cpu power to bake in weekly, or daily, or even hourly changes in...
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Re: Ad Revenue and Content Item Score

MichelleG ·
There's a whole science to building the software for ads (or using someone else's) which basically has the local baker adding geographical location specific keywords so she can get ads seen just by people in her area without getting outbid for that combination of keywords. So {"Santa Monica", "Cake"} will usually be cheaper than {"Cake"}, for example. And that makes sense because the Santa Monica person might be interested in buying cakes made in their area, but not someone in Boston.
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Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Malkazoid ·
A question for the community. @MOLLY O suggested we downvote their content and comments as low quality if they are trolling posts. I'm wondering if AUP violation is a possibility too? After all, the troll is violating the AUP (or should be seen as such) by using a dummy account to cause disruptions and malign the network. Thoughts?
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

David Dreezer ·
I think it's a bad idea to blanket report anything you deem as a troll to the Tribunal as an AUP violation. As an absolute minimum it simply adds that much more load to what will be the Tribunal. Mark it as low quality, and then just do not engage. Don't feel the troll's ego and rep by adding comments and replies. Stop rewarding the Trolls, just downvote for low quality, let it submerge, and move on.
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , I was wondering the same. I sometimes report with low quality, sometimes as a violation even if they're not exactly a violation, but SHOULD clearly be, since cheating by multiaccounts is commonly considered negative conduct (not always easy to detect them with certainty, but AUP does not even mention explicitly).
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Slaz ·
I downvoted them as Low Quality, but did choose AUP violation for a few comments when they were insults or personal attacks.
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Vico Biscotti ·
Let's remember that those are not just trolls. It's an individual, acting with a scheme, that is polluting conversations and approvals/bids of niches. Also, new users don't know about this and WILL give him attention.
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Colleen Ryer ·
@Vico Biscotti makes a good point, people are unwittingly engaging -they don't know that some of the comments, posts, bids, etc are coming from troll accounts. New users are at a disadvantage unless the word gets to them. And after reading the AUP, even if the comments don't violate it, one person using multiple accounts to appear as several is impersonation - one reason to ban, at least.
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My reputation went down. How do I tell why?

Bashar Abdullah ·
So after some discussion yesterday about Reputations feeling like on Pause and not going up, ironically I noticed mine went down few points today. Now the goal of reputation is to push for better content and engagement. How do I tell what caused the dip overall? Was it Too many posts Not enough engagement/votes for posts Downvotes on posts Downvoted comments? Too many comments with no upvotes? I'm worried about last point. If a comment with no response is considered bad, I often reply on...
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Re: My reputation went down. How do I tell why?

Ted ·
We cannot tell you why your score changed, since we are not monitoring your account. I can tell you that you will not be penalized for the number of posts you make, so you should never have to worry about doing too much. My guess is that your quality score went down a little bit, perhaps because of some downvote action, but unless it was a major drop, I personally wouldn't worry about it too much. We will be continuing to monitor our reputation code over time, of course, to ensure that...
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Re: My reputation went down. How do I tell why?

Bashar Abdullah ·
Thanks @Ted . At least I know about posts now
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Re: My reputation went down. How do I tell why?

Ted ·
Yeah, sorry I can't be more helpful. I wish my own reputation was going up faster, too.
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Re: My reputation went down. How do I tell why?

Bashar Abdullah ·
@Ted We all do
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When Down vote someone , Please reply a comment for justification.

MALAY BANERJEE ·
Sometimes I see someone downvoting me but don't know why I am downvoted by someone. So I want to raise a question for discussion in the community today when someone downvoting somebody, he /she should mention the reason for downvoting in the comments section. Downvoting is needed but for a valid reason is ok but if somebody downvotes others without any valid reason is not good. Please reply in the comment section for discussion. Thanks for everyone .
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Re: When Down vote someone , Please reply a comment for justification.

Colleen Ryer ·
It would be nice if people explained why they downvote, but some won't. It may be because they think the reason for the downvote should be obvious - and sometimes it may be - if the terms of service or AUP have been ignored. I think that having to select a reason helps to keep unfair downvoting from happening very often, but on occasion, it still does. And I do see that some comment if they have an issue with a post, and skip voting altogether - which in my opinion is far better than just...
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new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Gosia Rokicka ·
Is it possible to add an option to downvote for the reason "posted in an unsuitable niche" (as per this post by @Christina Gleason)? I think it's a legitimate reason to downvote but we shouldn't be forced to choose "low quality" because these posts are often of good quality... Just placed in the wrong place. Which, as Christina already suggested in her article, seems like an attempt to game the system by potentially providing rewards to certain niche owners. At the moment, if the...
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Vico Biscotti ·
We really need that...
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Gosia Rokicka ·
Indeed, but what guarantees that future mods will be moderating properly? Some niche owners don't do it - they can be elected as moderators or the same people who are now posting to "wrong" niches on purpose can apply to be mods and get voted in... At the end, who is paying attention? About 15 folks who are active on this forum...
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Colleen Ryer ·
Maybe, @Gosia Rokicka there's not a selection for this because moderators are supposed to remove mis-posted stuff? But for niches with no moderators in future it might be needed if owners aren't doing it.
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Colleen Ryer ·
One moderators are elected, then a new Tribunal will also be elected that includes members of the community. While it's up to the community to take action when rules are broken, it only takes one member, if a moderator/ or owner/moderator, won't co-operate, to post a complaint to the Tribunal, who is obligated to take appropriate action. I read in the spec, too, that once the new Tribunal is elected, a committee made up half community members and half HQ team members will also be elected to...
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Colleen Ryer ·
The community votes mods in, and can vote them out if they aren't following the rules. My take on it is, that when mod elections come, any owner who wants to moderate their own niche, has to be voted in, with the same rules applying. The current situation with owners "winging it" is just until we're ready for moderator elections, which I hope is really soon.
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Gosia Rokicka ·
Yeah, but can't you see the "winging it" people can still be voted in? If they have decent reps and they won't have much competition in the elections they probably will be... Because not many people are paying attention to this slightly unsavoury behaviour...
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Vico Biscotti ·
@Colleen Ryer , I fear the "unsuitable niche" issue is going to stay for long, also when moderators will be elected. I posted in a niche (because it was relevant) where the owner logged in 5 months ago, and maybe the niche won't even have moderators. It's certainly an unmoderated niche and it's going to stay as it is. From what I see it's not the only niche. Not only; I fear that most members just don't care about moderation in niches, so, moderator elections can just be a political thing.
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Colleen Ryer ·
I agree an extra downvote option might be useful into the future, even if just because of "absentee niche owners" who haven't selected any moderators. I avoid absentee niches, but not everyone will - by the same token, tho, if members don't care about how suitable an absentee niche is for the content, they won't use the downvote function, either. Also since moderating is paid, members might eventually take a dim view of sloppy moderation - why waste community funds that could be going to...
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Colleen Ryer ·
Maybe the "inappropriate niche tag" vote could lead to an automatic notification to owners and moderators, rather thn who ever is downvoting having to do it?
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I think "inappropriate niche tag" should be a reason to downvote. Then, the owner and moderators of the niche should be notified of that downvote for that reason. If they remove the post from their niche, then the downvoters should each get a notification to be allowed to change their votes.
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

David Dreezer ·
Continue on, but I think there needs to be a reminder to the discussion that there is only ever one version of the content, one set of votes, one set of comments. There is not a different version of the content for each niche, a different set of comments per niche, a different set of votes per niche. Whether the content is viewed in the Dog niche, the Cat niche, or the Ming Dynasty Vase niche it is the same content, thus a vote for "Wrong Niche" would be somewhat odd in certain...
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Gosia Rokicka ·
That is a very good point, @David Dreezer , haven't thought about that. You're right. Hopefully, you're also right that moderation and a more mature community will smooth the issues. Maybe. Or maybe not. The wisdom of the crowd gave us Brexit and Donald Trump and it happened in apparently conscious and mature democracies. Luckily, when things go south, at least it's easier to leave an online space than a country
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

David Dreezer ·
I can help with that some, too. Moderators are voted in by the community. Moderators can be removed by the community if they are not doing the job. https://spec.narrative.org/doc...erators-from-a-niche
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Vico Biscotti ·
@David Dreezer , I now see you're right on this. Downvoting would require the specification of the niche, which is overcomplicating. Still, I'm not optimistic about future moderation, but that's another story.
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Vico Biscotti ·
I know. Still I'm worried. Not many people seem to care about moderation, even if I fear this can damage the platform, so maybe elections are going to be more a political thing than something in the merit. Maybe I'm worried without reason. I hope so. Let's see. Question, even if it's maybe too early for this: I see a niche follower can initiate a petition to remove a moderator, but what if a niche isn't moderated and I don't know which moderator is responsible for that?
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

David Dreezer ·
The owner will moderate until an elected moderator is placed.
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Thanks for weighing in @David Dreezer . This is a reminder that democracy is a long and inefficient process. If everything is left to the community, we'll have to resign ourselves to knowing that certain processes will take a while to work themselves out. For instance, how long should we give moderators before we realize they aren't moderating effectively? One month? six months? There is a process built into the platform, so we have to remember that Narrative hasn't rolled it all out yet.
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Christina Gleason ·
I like every point in this conversation, but I like this solution the most!
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Colleen Ryer ·
If it could be done without interfering with other tags that are appropriate, I do too, but it sounds difficult, unfortunately.
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Christina Gleason ·
Or there could even be check boxes for the person choosing that downvote reason to select the irrelevant niches, so only those owners/mods would get the message.
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Garden Gnome Publications ·
@Colleen Ryer , I don't think it would be too difficult, but I'm not a coder. Each post is tagged to up to three niches. If each niche owner, and, after moderators have been elected, the moderators, of a tagged niche received a notification that a post was downvoted for the purpose of being in the wrong niche , and with the further proviso to "check the content to see if it matches your niche and remove, if appropriate," that puts the onus on the moderators. They don't have to remove the...
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

David Dreezer ·
I'm not fully sure that I understand what scenario that you are describing, but to be clear - Moderators determine whether or not a piece of content belongs in a Niche or not. They do not evaluate content submitted to a Niche in terms of quality. That is not the moderator's job. https://spec.narrative.org/doc...ion-niche-moderation
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

BloggerKrunal ·
I would like to add one important thing here. If any one is selecting 3 Niches for a single post and if each Niche has minimum 2 Moderators than total 6 moderators will review that post and they all will have their own different opinions which might not beneficial with 100% in the favor of that Author nor the other 2 Niche Owners. In the end rarely such post will get rewarded with 100% upvotes as there will be always such conflicts lying on all posts. How we are planning to deal with that?
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

David Dreezer ·
And? This is where I cannot find the point that you are making? Yes, Moderators can vote on content. Just as you or I can. And anyone else not Conduct Negative. Please, what is your objection? Are you perhaps confusing CONTENT voting with the Moderators amplified weighting on COMMENTS?
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

BloggerKrunal ·
I'm talking about moderators' upvotes and down votes on content. Ad you said, moderators can't evaluate the quality of the content, does it means they can't opt for voting on that content? If they can, then their votes might get biased based on their choice of Niches they represent.
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Colleen Ryer ·
I think moderators votes on content have the same weight as everyone else. So wouldn't be any more biased in evaluating content. I'm pretty sure moderator's votes on comments have more weight - and this is so they can quickly bury nasty comments, because they aren't allowed to delete stuff. And if moderators abuse this extra voting weight, they can be voted out, so it's not in their best interest to downvote according to their own preferences.
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

Colleen Ryer ·
Everyone's votes on content are the same- based on reputation. Only votes on comments are different -moderators vote on comments has more weight. And I'm pretty sure that for comments on your own content - your vote has more weight, too. If I haven't got this straight, please someone correct me
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Re: new downvote reason: "posted in an unsuitable niche"

BloggerKrunal ·
Yes, that's what I am talking about. Moderators' content voting should weight as equal like others. Their influence on comment bury is fine.
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Please remove or change the downvote

Nrve ·
It is causing a lot of problems and pushing content creators away: https://www.narrative.org/post/one-of-the-biggest-problems-with-narrative-the-downvote-we-need-to-remove-it-or-change-it
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Re: Please remove or change the downvote

STACY.the.KID ·
Believe I said all that needed to be said in my comment but I highly disagree. with this standpoint. a rework sure but nothing to rid the system of.
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