Tagged With "Comments"

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Will trolling Comments be able to be deleted by Moderator or Niche owner

Emily Barnett ·
Hello @Narrative Network Team I hope to have a Niche that may (hopefully not) have the occassional Trolling commentor. I know that there is other Niches in existence that also may suffer similar intolerant negativity. I know that it has been clearly stated that Narrative is not interested in censorship, but what is the policy of Hate speech and comment harassment. Is there a way for us to delete mean spirited comments in the way the a channel owner on Youtube can delete what they do not...
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Re: Will trolling Comments be able to be deleted by Moderator or Niche owner

MichelleG ·
So pages 27-29 touch on this but might not be explicit enough on this particular question. There is this on page 28 under the Human Moderation subsection: "2. Human Moderation All Niche and Brand channels have their own moderators, responsible for policing and curating the content within their channels. Each Narrator also acts as personal moderator for their own Journal, allowing them to remove or disable comments. " I take policing to implicitly include what you are talking about and the...
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Re: Will trolling Comments be able to be deleted by Moderator or Niche owner

Emily Barnett ·
@MichelleG thank you for this. it is very helpful. I agree I think Tribunal will have to really work for their 3%. But i think it would be interesting. It would be nice if tribunals got a recognition that always remained on their profile. Like a Tribunal 2018 that always stayed, as I think there is a respect not only for the year you put into the job, but also how early on that you did it. Or if you served multiple years.
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The wonderful world of comments

Malkazoid ·
Hello all, my take is that comments should be considered a big part of the life of a niche. I’d love to see our platform implement them really well: this is where people interact publicly... I’m a fan of the way Disqus has implemented its commenting system... the discussion threads are clear, and it is easy to search through one’s commenting activity. I think it would be great to be able to promote really good comments to be visible at the top - a great tool for presenting newcomers to the...
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

Emily Barnett ·
Thanks for posting this. Comments are important! They are the foundation of making it engaging. I do like how this comment system allows you to quote someone. It makes it very easy to follow along. I don't like how some platforms post hierarchy is based on reputation. Comments need to flow as they come in. I would like to think that we don't need to implement a reward system for comments, in either monetization or just reputation, however I am not sure if people will engage otherwise. As an...
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

Hickster747 ·
I agree. I've noticed that the comments section in the voting is very under used. It could be very useful if people have suggestions to the proposer or want to explain why they voted a particular way.
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

RobbyCannard ·
Could a comment when voting be made mandatory or is that an overkill? It would prevent people voting without giving any consideration?
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

Emily Barnett ·
NP...happy to help. One thing to remember is that voting down something should only be based on whether something is redundant. There is no personal preference. Also Micro-niches or sub-category niches are allowed, even if the Niche owner of a broad topic doesn't like it. When something is redundant legitimately, usually someone has left a comment saying so. Hope that helps.
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

Emily Barnett ·
Hey @RobbyCannard there already is an option to leave your reason for why you voted down something. And it is very helpful to the person suggesting the niche. I think no votes should include a mandatory reason to why you are voting it down so that we can reduce trolling and/or profiteering.
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

Hickster747 ·
I'm not sure about mandatory. It might discourage people from voting but if someone votes no, it's probably a good idea to explain why. I've noticed one or two of the same people who seem to down vote the most innocuous topics again and again.
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

RobbyCannard ·
Fair point, I agree with you though, it would be good to have the option to provide some reasoning behind the vote. Maybe not mandatory but encouraged
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

RobbyCannard ·
Thanks @Emily Barnett . Apologies for not spotting that, I'm new to all of this, it's a bit overwhelming but I'm enjoying being a small part of Narrative
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

RobbyCannard ·
Thank you @Emily Barnett . Much appreciated.
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

mrgoodsett ·
I really like the TAKE ACTION feature on Narrative. I have had to edit a few posts due to rushing and typing on a phone.
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

Emad ·
I agree, thanks for post
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

Malkazoid ·
Indeed! Sub-niches are an important aspect of the ecosystem of tags that are niches. To embrace this, I suggested a sub-niche (US Politics) to one of my niches (Politics) as a way of embracing this reality. If there is a sub-niche to one of your niches that you don't want to have stealing too much thunder from it - buy it if possible.
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Activity - views and likes

Malkazoid ·
Dear @Narrative Network Team I have a question regarding how activity is measured. Since this measure is the foundation of the network rewards attributions, it would be great for us to look at it in a little bit of detail. Right now, from what I have understood, this measurement is based purely in comments, and likes. A) Do likes on comments constitute extra activity for the content, and niche? B) Do views amount to anything, even if the view does not lead to a like? B is of interest to...
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Re: Activity - views and likes

Malkazoid ·
Hey @Michael Farris I guess I should have been more specific. I was referring to activity measurement on the launch platform of Narrative. Hence the mention of advertising (of which there is none here), and of network rewards (as opposed to community rewards). I'm very grateful for the community rewards, but that has never been a focus of my posting here: 99 percent of my interest and energy for these forums goes to contributing what I can to Narrative as a platform. Here, I'm interested in...
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Re: Activity - views and likes

Michael Farris ·
It's a pretty simple activity algorithm suitable for building traffic and content. Yes, likes and shares and similar social activities have an effect. That's why we use it for this phase of the community rewards. That's also why it doesn't even come close to how reputation will work in Narrative. We don't publish the exact algorithm or the rolling point tally because of human nature AKA gaming the system is hard to filter out from genuine contributions. PS. This forum software scoring system...
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Re: Let the Chaucer voting comments shine!

Emily Barnett ·
I ditto these concerns. After being away from Narrative for the past 8 days or so, I was surprised how many new redundant niches had been suggested. I left comments but I know it is such a mute issue, as it is hard to find them. Especially for newbies.
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Let the Chaucer voting comments shine!

Malkazoid ·
Hello all, This is a reminder to the @Narrative Network Team that comments on niche ballot boxes are still unnecessarily hidden from view in a tab. This is becoming an urgent consideration as we ramp up participation in Chaucer, and is already causing problems. There is a redundant niche underway (please take a moment to vote NO on it): https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/8352348105331322 Two members of the community have taken the time to comment ( @Emily Barnett and me )...
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Re: Let the Chaucer voting comments shine!

Slaz ·
I'm always looking through possible comments when I see a niche with less than 100%, and am posting them myself. But yes, I'd suggest the comments to appear as a javascript pop-out box by clicking a little button near the 2 vote buttons, or something.
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Re: Let the Chaucer voting comments shine!

Rosemary ·
Yes we're definitely on top of the comments visibility issue...something that will be addressed in the future UI. I agree it would be helpful to surface those better. Tagging our @Matt Brooks
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Re: Let the Chaucer voting comments shine!

Malkazoid ·
Good to see you here Bryan!
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Re: Let the Chaucer voting comments shine!

Bryan ·
Arg, sorry I missed this.
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Re: Let the Chaucer voting comments shine!

Malkazoid ·
Another means of tightening the voting/commenting process would be to send alert emails to anyone who has voted on a niche, if a new comment is made on that niche ballot. Of course people could opt in for this, but I would suggest the platform should strongly encourage opting in to this. Remind people that how they vote becomes part of their reputation, and if new comments shed light on niches that helps them change their votes in the right direction, over time this will have a significant...
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Re: LGBTQ / LBGTQ niche issue - and comments disappearing

Malkazoid ·
Hi @Ted Thanks - then it seems that the 'new problem' is in fact the old problem. I couldn't find the comments! Neither could Rose. And I've been using the Alpha for months... The comments should be visible in some form, on the Appeals page, and on this page: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/lbgtq-media Instead, one has to drill down two levels from the actual niche page linked above, to get to the comments. One has to know to first click on the original ballot link, or the appeal ballot...
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LGBTQ / LBGTQ niche issue - and comments disappearing

Malkazoid ·
Hello @Narrative Network Team A Telegram member (Rose Lavender) posted today with concern about the LBGTQ niche that has been rejected, and gone to appeal. The appeal cites concerns that the niche has been rejected because of discrimination, so naturally, Rose had concerns about this. I cannot know what is in the heart of every voter, but I do know that I, and several others, took the time to leave comments on the ballot that explained that the niche name was misspelled. The correct...
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Re: LGBTQ / LBGTQ niche issue - and comments disappearing

Ted ·
Hi @Malkazoid - all of the comments are still there. Here are the comments from the original (and second) ballot box votes: https://alpha.narrative.org/ba...nts/8774792908961509 https://alpha.narrative.org/ba...nts/8352348105644862 And here is the previous tribunal comment thread: https://alpha.narrative.org/is...nts/8493210281025056 As you can see from all of the comments, the reason it has been rejected by the community is because the term is misspelled. It has nothing to do with the...
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Re: LGBTQ / LBGTQ niche issue - and comments disappearing

Banter ·
I agree @Malkazoid that it isn't easy to discover. I think the problem is that when you hit the Niche page, you see a series of actions related to the Niche...but you wouldn't necessarily expect to find a lot more content related to the Niche hidden by links listed in those events like 'Ballot'. I think the UI should be re-designed to make important aspects like the ballot of a niche more prominent so the user knows it applies directly to the Niche and can interact with it easily. Perhaps...
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Re: LGBTQ / LBGTQ niche issue - and comments disappearing

Malkazoid ·
Great stuff. The thing that is mysterious to me is that this comments problem has been on our radar for months now. It is easy to fix - just take the comments out of their hidey-box, and show them right on the ballot page in some shape or form. Like a big SEE ALL VOTE COMMENTS, that if expanded, lists them all. The same could be applied to the Appeals page. I doubt it would take a developer more than an hour to make this happen, and meanwhile the Alpha is in full swing, with 1000 new people...
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Re: LGBTQ / LBGTQ niche issue - and comments disappearing

Ted ·
Hey guys- Yes, I agree that it can be hard to find things in the current system. Again, hopefully things are much better in the next version... and your feedback here is helping us keep all of that in mind. Also agree that seeing a breakdown of the rejections reasons for a niche vote would be useful.
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Re: LGBTQ / LBGTQ niche issue - and comments disappearing

Jeroenski74 ·
Hi @Ted , I agree with @Malkazoid this a subject to easy to be turned against us and than the damage is already done. We can use this to turn it for us, by explicited reply on her Twitter message that we immediately took action, show we take this seriously by resolving the problem show the full comments in a easy way and show a graph of the votes easy and simple, something like this: Sorry for the Dutch language, but you get the picture. With this we make very clear we understand and take...
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Re: LGBTQ / LBGTQ niche issue - and comments disappearing

David Dreezer ·
We did take the time to explain to Rose why this niche was being downvoted, then showed her the correct one so that she would understand that there was a duplicate. We made her happy in the end.
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Re: LGBTQ / LBGTQ niche issue - and comments disappearing

Dana ·
Oops, sorry about that. I jumped the gun on that one without reading comments. Won't happen again!
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Re: LGBTQ / LBGTQ niche issue - and comments disappearing

Malkazoid ·
You've helped us realise the comment should be more visible, and also present on the appeals page. In fact there should probably be a comments step within the process of making an appeal, that displays the comments and gets the appealer to acknowledge them before getting to file the appeal. With a bit of luck the @Narrative Network Team will improve the process thanks to you.
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Re: LGBTQ / LBGTQ niche issue - and comments disappearing

Mark Horler ·
So, this seems to have been a bit of a drama that could have been avoided. I get that efforts are currently being put towards the new version, but there is indisputably a gap between now and that happening. So it seems to me that there needs to be a quick fix solution, at the very least. It's not by any means beyond the bounds of possibility that something like this will happen again. A stitch in time saves nine.
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FORCE users to add a comment when down-voting

cara ·
Why is commenting optional when down-voting a post? This makes no sense at all. We need to know why people are down-voting, otherwise they can speed-vote without really having much of a reason. Most people are followers by nature, if they see a negative voting percentage they will be more likely to click down-vote, even if the Niche should be upvoted. Hold users accountable, don't allow for laziness to be rewarded.
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Re: FORCE users to add a comment when down-voting

cara ·
You did not understand what I meant. When someone gives a "reason" for why they down-voted, it might be something like "duplicate niche", they should state which niche it is similar too. Make them think about their choice, explain it and hold them accountable for it. If you force people to think and be direct, less mistakes will be made. Maybe someone will think that they are making the right choice when they are actually not, so knowing the reasoning behind their decision would be very helpful.
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Re: FORCE users to add a comment when down-voting

Banter ·
While forcing a comment might be helpful, it would also decrease the efficiency of voting. As @Malkazoid said above, if you are voting against a Niche that ultimately gets approved then your rep would take a hit. That being said, it would be nice to see the breakdown of why a Niche was downvoted ( I have suggested this in a post elsewhere), so users could see, 'oh...most people think it is a dupe'. A downvote due to duplication or misspelling is usually pretty obvious. Narrative already...
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Re: FORCE users to add a comment when down-voting

Malkazoid ·
Ah - I see. Thanks for the extra details. I guess the team figures people already are being held accountable to some degree since voting will affect reputation. If you downvote a niche that gets approved, I think the system applies a small rep penalty, which I think can get converted to a rep bonus, if the tribunal later intervenes and decides the niche was invalid. Outcomes are definitely factored into rep bonuses and penalties for voting.
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Re: FORCE users to add a comment when down-voting

Brian Lenz ·
We also have plans in the future to support (and require) specifying which niche a niche duplicates when voting it down due to redundancy. This will be a necessary part of the niche de-duplication process that will ultimately consolidate duplicate niches into the original.
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Re: FORCE users to add a comment when down-voting

Malkazoid ·
That’s great Cara - for my part, I’m really pleased we have someone like yourself who seems to be - by nature - thoughtful and constructive. People like you are half the equation for Narrative to be successful.
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Re: FORCE users to add a comment when down-voting

cara ·
I'm trying hard to find problems with Narrative and the one's that I have found are not so big and by the sounds of it they won't be problems for long. That's great to hear. I'm really happy that I found Narrative so early in it's development. Excited for the future. Buying and holding tokens long term. And I will be active on Narrative every single day as well.
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Re: FORCE users to add a comment when down-voting

Malkazoid ·
Hey Cara people do have to choose one of the offered reasons for their downvote. The comment section exists mostly for people who want to add some sort of additional aspect - often a helpful suggestion as to how the niche could be improved and get approval. Personally, I don’t think there is anything wrong with the current system of using pre-supplied downvote reasons, and additionally allowing comments.
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