Tagged With "trolling"

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Will trolling Comments be able to be deleted by Moderator or Niche owner

Emily Barnett ·
Hello @Narrative Network Team I hope to have a Niche that may (hopefully not) have the occassional Trolling commentor. I know that there is other Niches in existence that also may suffer similar intolerant negativity. I know that it has been clearly stated that Narrative is not interested in censorship, but what is the policy of Hate speech and comment harassment. Is there a way for us to delete mean spirited comments in the way the a channel owner on Youtube can delete what they do not...
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Re: Will trolling Comments be able to be deleted by Moderator or Niche owner

MichelleG ·
So pages 27-29 touch on this but might not be explicit enough on this particular question. There is this on page 28 under the Human Moderation subsection: "2. Human Moderation All Niche and Brand channels have their own moderators, responsible for policing and curating the content within their channels. Each Narrator also acts as personal moderator for their own Journal, allowing them to remove or disable comments. " I take policing to implicitly include what you are talking about and the...
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Re: Will trolling Comments be able to be deleted by Moderator or Niche owner

Emily Barnett ·
@MichelleG thank you for this. it is very helpful. I agree I think Tribunal will have to really work for their 3%. But i think it would be interesting. It would be nice if tribunals got a recognition that always remained on their profile. Like a Tribunal 2018 that always stayed, as I think there is a respect not only for the year you put into the job, but also how early on that you did it. Or if you served multiple years.
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Re: Will trolling Comments be able to be deleted by Moderator or Niche owner

Drixx Madison ·
It would be awesome if Mods could bar/ban singular words from comments instead of having the Tribunal delete entire comments. At times, entire comments are removed on other sites due to 1 word, when the main point is actually valid.
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Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Vico Biscotti ·
Inside Blogging , a niche I had suggested, has two absurd bids from two clearly fake and brand new accounts, obviously coming from the same person. It's clear revenge for my appeal on BLOG. I was not going to buy the niche anyway, seen the unreliable scenario, but please stop this madness. There are already several fake accounts that can do anything and that we all know come from the same person. I can't believe they're still allowed to stroll around and sabotage. cc:...
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Bashar Abdullah ·
Seen them too. The issue here I think is there are no clear terms to ban a new low reputation account for bidding on up to 10 niches at the time. And no control over how many times or how high they can bid. And I'm seeing genuine users trying to outbid them on other niches they really want. This is why I don't think bidding is wise right now, until Narrative can control the situation. It's unfair to decent bidders.
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Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Malkazoid ·
A question for the community. @MOLLY O suggested we downvote their content and comments as low quality if they are trolling posts. I'm wondering if AUP violation is a possibility too? After all, the troll is violating the AUP (or should be seen as such) by using a dummy account to cause disruptions and malign the network. Thoughts?
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

David Dreezer ·
I think it's a bad idea to blanket report anything you deem as a troll to the Tribunal as an AUP violation. As an absolute minimum it simply adds that much more load to what will be the Tribunal. Mark it as low quality, and then just do not engage. Don't feel the troll's ego and rep by adding comments and replies. Stop rewarding the Trolls, just downvote for low quality, let it submerge, and move on.
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , I was wondering the same. I sometimes report with low quality, sometimes as a violation even if they're not exactly a violation, but SHOULD clearly be, since cheating by multiaccounts is commonly considered negative conduct (not always easy to detect them with certainty, but AUP does not even mention explicitly).
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Slaz ·
I downvoted them as Low Quality, but did choose AUP violation for a few comments when they were insults or personal attacks.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Malkazoid ·
There is a problem with this David, which you may not be taking into account when saying yes , we should congratulate a member who has started serial trolling the site in multiple ways, for winning a niche with a dummy account, as part of a campaign of spamming well over a dozen niches with bids. Other bidders understandably stop bidding when faced with this sort of scenario because otherwise they will pay more for a niche that the person bidding up across from them probably doesn't intend...
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Vico Biscotti ·
Let's remember that those are not just trolls. It's an individual, acting with a scheme, that is polluting conversations and approvals/bids of niches. Also, new users don't know about this and WILL give him attention.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Vico Biscotti ·
Disagree. He probably won't pay, but he MAY pay, and still acting just for revenge, and then sabotage the niche. And if he doesn't pay he's still there altering bids, delaying purchases (even delaying is part of his scheme), and giving a confusing picture to new users. We wait for the team to solve but, IMO, the thing is serious. cc: @Malkazoid
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Vico Biscotti ·
In the meanwhile, the bid on Inside Blogging has been run and won by fake identities (at 60k...) of the owner of BLOG. I wonder what should I do. Congratulate him?
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

David Dreezer ·
Well, if they truly do pay the 60k? Then yes. And if they don't, as we expect? In a few days it'll be back up for auction again.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

David Dreezer ·
If the person does indeed pay 60k for the Niche I'd posit that they are serious.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Colleen Ryer ·
Hi @David Dreezer To clarify, this person's actions has already raised serious flags, would still warrant a close eye, even if bid is paid, that's all.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

David Dreezer ·
Should we make any assumptions about intent until or unless the Niche is paid or not paid?
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Colleen Ryer ·
As @Vico Biscotti says, and I'll add, Just because the person (s) has the money to pay the bid, doesn't guarantee anything about the persons' intent.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

MOLLY O ·
Let me temper things here - we are aware of the activity going on and are examining the best path forward where we can utilize (and adjust as needed) the system/rules to automatically take care of behaviors. We want the system to do the work as it is important moving forward. We expected some things to be tested. While it doesn't seem like we are acting as fast as you would like, it is important to look across a bunch of behaviors and patterns so we can best adjust.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

David Dreezer ·
It is. On this we agree.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Malkazoid ·
@MOLLY O I'm not concerned with the speed of response: it was the weekend and this is the first work day dealing with the situation. I am concerned when it is suggested we should congratulate the troll if he pays for the niche. He shouldn't be able to get the niche at all, no matter how much he pays, because he cheated to get it. He applied a chilling effect on other bidders, by creating troll accounts and spamming many niches with bizarre bids. The predictable effect was for serious bidders...
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Colleen Ryer ·
@Vico Biscotti makes a good point, people are unwittingly engaging -they don't know that some of the comments, posts, bids, etc are coming from troll accounts. New users are at a disadvantage unless the word gets to them. And after reading the AUP, even if the comments don't violate it, one person using multiple accounts to appear as several is impersonation - one reason to ban, at least.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Vico Biscotti ·
Thanks for the reply, @MOLLY O . It helps to hear from you, and we all know you need time. I'm just worried that without human intervention, malevolent behavior can have a long life, and do damages in the meanwhile. We need a safe and fair environment to publish and connect. Hope you reach that point. Good work.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I don't think this individual intends to pay. @Vico Biscotti , yours is not the only niche he bid on and won. He's targeted multiple niches, including one that was being bid on by a member of Narrative staff, @Rosemary . https://www.narrative.org/hq/auction/9197106484215445 This type of behavior is clearly intended to be disruptive and nothing else. He targeted several niches being bid on by another user, with a rep of 59, named Shane Andis. This Narrator is fairly new to the platform but...
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Vico Biscotti ·
@Garden Gnome Publications , yes, he's doing that on several niches, I know. And yes, he's succeeding in demotivating people, like me, that's why his action already had an effect. I'm not going to invest, with this scenario, and this is what he wants. I may be overly prudent, but I'm not alone. I don't think it's a competitor. The guy was quiet until the appeal on his niche. Everything started there, immediately, as direct revenge to me and a few other users, first, then as a challenge to...
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Re: Troll awareness week

Christina Gleason ·
I agree that you are not overstating the problem, @Malkazoid . I did not read the interaction between a known malicious actor and @Emily Barnett , but I do know how very tempting it can be to get drawn into conversation with this sort of person. (I say "person," but these malicious trolls are hopefully only caricatures of their real-life counterparts.) It's sad that people who are unhappy with the system would choose to destroy it rather than work to make it a better place. I think it's fair...
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Re: Troll awareness week

Malkazoid ·
Emily, I took the highest road I could. In response to someone who has said openly his 'thing' is to troll, you responded to his flattery by writing one of the longest comments you have written on the Beta - perhaps THE longest . It might be the longest comment anyone has made on a post so far. It doesn't all fit on my laptop screen! And it was entirely sympathetic to him, and referred to my civic sense as tacky and arrogant. I could have responded in kind, but I didn't. Instead, I tried to...
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Re: Troll awareness week

Emily Barnett ·
At @Malkazoid your crusade to exterminate a troll (righteously or not) has no baring on my response. It is unfortunate that you think so little of me, as to assume that at 50 years of age, that I lack so little confidence that a would fall prey to silly compliment. I assure you I am no silly-nilly girl whom blushes at attention, and loses all her convictions. I am here to tell you quite the contrary. I make up my own mind about things. As for the trolling accusations on this person. I have...
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Re: Troll awareness week

Emily Barnett ·
it isn't his alone . of course it is all of ours. But right now he is the only one making posts on beta, appealing to people change niche votes. The rest of us seem quite content with using the forums that are a given to us. Before beta, we had no assurances that the system would work. so there was a more urgent nature to make sure niches were not redundant. But that isn't the case now. He is deciding how he thinks things should be and then making posts to try and pursude. Just leave it in...
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Re: Troll awareness week

Emily Barnett ·
@Malkazoid you are just too cool for school. You have it all figured out. All the time. In the beginning I found you to be interesting and community minded, but lately, it seems more meddlesome and controlling. And today downright manipulative.. there are two people that I have ever stated that i am a fan of on this platform. neither of them are you. nor this Gage that i have had one encounter with. I don't have to justify the length of my comments to you or anybody on here. I don't have a...
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Re: Troll awareness week

Christina Gleason ·
But that's the thing. It is his platform. And yours. And mine. It belongs to all of us. If you don't have time for housekeeping right now, that's fine. Real Life is the priority. But please don't fault those of us who are trying to keep other people from trashing the place while you're not around. Some of us are trying to turn this into a place where we can eventually make a living, so defending it IS important to us.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Malkazoid ·
Thank you @Bashar Abdullah - we have a duty to care for the people who have been impacted by this troll's vendetta. People have potentially been caused considerable extra expense, and others have decided not to buy niches they wanted. In the case of at least one person - I think he would have made an excellent niche owner: his dedication is already manifest... and I only mention him because he's the one I've talked with. There may be others. He is sitting it out now - he'll miss the niche he...
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Re: Troll awareness week

Emily Barnett ·
you cannot even see that my comment had nothing to do with the appeal on the blog niche. But that your post was not a very good post. You didn't offer anything but tribunal names and links. That isn't what the other content looks like that is posted to Narrative disputes, so stop making excuses, that this is exactly what the niche is for. You talked at length for the quality of content to be high and this post didn't cut the mustard, at all, in my opinion. Not from you, who talked so much...
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Re: Troll awareness week

Christina Gleason ·
@Emily Barnett I don't need to quote your whole post, but @Malkazoid isn't the only one using the community niche to campaign for votes one way or another. As you've stated yourself, you've been busy with RL things, so you may not have noticed. Sometimes he is the first one to post about an issue that I or someone else would have posted about eventually, but I think that's a time zone thing. He's awake first. Those of us who have been targeted for harassment by our current trolls are...
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Re: Troll awareness week

Vico Biscotti ·
Agree with @Malkazoid that this kind of discussions is part of what some users want. And that's why I'm staying prudent engaging with them on Narrative. My opinion and my way. I'm one of those attacked by the owner of five niches - not just by trolling but with insults and menaces, and then by mean of several fake accounts -, just for asking collaboration in fixing the name and description of a niche - a niche that needs fixing, as recognized by the Tribunal -, so I'm maybe more concerned...
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Bashar Abdullah ·
Must disagree also. Some people are serious about inflicting damage, not about nurturing the community. And as others said, he has basically been bidding on as many niches as he can, and also appealing all niches possible. Disrupting operations and pushing away real members. He's at an advantage now of picking whatever he wants to actually buy, and leave all others to rest. And I've seen genuine users outbid him and probably end up paying very high price. I'll post my suggestion in separate ...
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Re: Troll awareness week

Malkazoid ·
So if we're going to be constructive, Emily, how do you define the difference between meddling and civic duty, when the platform specifically asks us to figure out together how niches work, how they should be described and to appeal them if we feel they pose a problem for the platform. If you aren't holding a grudge and you just think I meddle too much, tell me how to engage the community at large (not just the handful of people who show up of their own accord to discuss these things on the...
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Re: Troll awareness week

Bashar Abdullah ·
This is a long and unfortunate thread. I won't take sides. I did not read the thread it relates to. I don't think my opinion on this topic will help the community as a whole in anyway right now. I'll only recommend in the future to try and have these sensitive discussions in private, as it will have far less bad outcome. Please don't reply explaining who might have caused this, as I am not here judging that, and I won't reply to it. I'm suggesting this for the future. Everyone commenting...
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Re: Troll awareness week

Malkazoid ·
Yes - I tried privately. Emily was so enraged that though she initiated the private discussion, she also stormed out of it a few minutes later. She wasn't there to try to patch things up, just to rage at me. I accepted the communication even though it was 3am here... so believe me, I tried. But yes - don't respond, and don't choose sides - you are right, it would accomplish nothing.
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Re: Cheating on "Inside Blogging" and strolling trolls

Bashar Abdullah ·
@Malkazoid you're absolutely right, and I think well said! It can't be Beta at our financial expense.
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Troll awareness week

Malkazoid ·
Hello all, I wanted to bring up a couple of things here, rather than on the platform, so as not to feed the rep of one of our trolls. 1) Trolls like conflict. Their game is to upset, and cause chaos and division. They delight in it. 2) Narrative is uniquely vulnerable to this because so much of it is designed to be community driven. Especially at this early stage when moderation is not in place. 3) Both of the trolls, Gage (@default), and D.K (@Ethereum) are intelligent and have been running...
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Re: Troll awareness week

David Dreezer ·
And that's enough bickering for today, thanks.
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We may have our first troll!

Malkazoid ·
https://www.narrative.org/m/Shepard/activity Brand new member who appeared just after the owner of the BLOG niche changed his name and avatar and deleted the thread he started on the platform about the issues the community sees with his niche. This new member (who if innocent, has my sincere apologies), bid immediately on the niche "Inside Blogging". Coincidence - maybe. This new member's other inaugural action: to appeal one of my niches (Nonprofit). Coincidence - or someone's idea of petty...
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Re: We may have our first troll!

Vico Biscotti ·
I'm having trolling attacks too, by brand new profiles. And I've been attacked by the owner outside too, on Medium. Inside Blogging was the niche I suggested. I wasn't going to buy it anyway, seen the situation with niches and appeals, but this is clear unmotivated revenge. Are we doomed to this? Where are the processes to avoid this?
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Re: We may have our first troll!

Gosia Rokicka ·
Oh well, the plot thickens indeed! Wait, I need to bring popcorn On a serious note - it's difficult to believe it's a coincidence. Especially, if @Vico Biscotti is being trolled as well. Well, maybe it's good that has happened now. I think it is a test for @Narrative Network Team . Trolls are on every platform and very much in every democracy IRL. Funny thing is - if that's really him in different incarnations - he decided to do that despite the Tribunal giving him another chance in spite of...
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Re: We may have our first troll!

Malkazoid ·
Many of the long time members have felt the Team's vision relies too heavily on the wisdom of the crowd, and has used that expression to define a very 'laissez faire' approach to the platform. Apparently nobody can be banned. The Community will make its own standards... etc... While this style of 'parenting' can work with 'kids' with good dispositions, it cannot begin to cope with 'problem children', and 'problem children' exist. Perhaps the Community will be able to rise to the occasion...
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Re: We may have our first troll!

Colleen Ryer ·
I'm thinking that anything that makes creating and purchasing niches difficult is serious at this point. New platforms need content as much as content creators need a well organized place to put it. That this is beta I agree needs to be flashing on the landing page, and some haste with improving the niche system prioritized. Whether the "troll" situation is real or some kind of error, still needs quick action.
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Re: We may have our first troll!

Malkazoid ·
Yes - this is a necessary challenge. I just hope the team will adapt their approach fast enough. As for @Ethereum's reaction, it was somewhat predictable from the behavior he displayed in the community discussion. People who think like that tend to exploit leniency - they don't appreciate it. He didn't see their gesture as a generous opportunity, he almost certainly saw it as an offense and a sign of weakness all wrapped up in one soft bundle.
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Re: We may have our first troll!

Slaz ·
All users who appealed the BLOG niche got a troll attack from what can only be the owner of that niche. ‘The Netherlands’ niche got appealed as well, and apparently has a zit-free beaver named Justin nominated as a moderator now.
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