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The wonderful world of comments

Malkazoid ·
Hello all, my take is that comments should be considered a big part of the life of a niche. I’d love to see our platform implement them really well: this is where people interact publicly... I’m a fan of the way Disqus has implemented its commenting system... the discussion threads are clear, and it is easy to search through one’s commenting activity. I think it would be great to be able to promote really good comments to be visible at the top - a great tool for presenting newcomers to the...
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Narrative Network Team - Releasing posts on Medium

Banter ·
This is just a suggestion. Can the @Narrative Network Team please create a topic in the appropriate forum whenever a new article is released on the Narrative Blog (Medium)? This way we can easily have a discussion about it here, rather than having to create a new topic from scratch each time.
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Niche Organization / Map Feature - Discussion

Banter ·
Here is a link to the Article @Ted posted: How Narrative will Map Niches . First off....I love the idea and think it is a step in the right direction when it comes to organizing / finding Niches. While I do think a hierarchy is important, I think this should ultimately become a graph. We need the ability to relate Niches that don't have a parent child relationship. Just as a random example, I might want to link a Niche on Steroids to an MLB or Baseball Niche. Obviously...
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Concern: Threads being marked as Answered are ending side discussions that have merit

Christina Gleason ·
I didn't get on Narrative until later this afternoon, when all of the new posts on threads I'd read last night were already made impossible to reply to because the threads had been locked. This is problematic, because we've nailed right down to the heart of several matters brought up in threads with related questions that had been answered early on. Can we start new threads? Sure, but then we lose the context of the original discussion. Thoughts?
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When Down vote someone , Please reply a comment for justification.

MALAY BANERJEE ·
Sometimes I see someone downvoting me but don't know why I am downvoted by someone. So I want to raise a question for discussion in the community today when someone downvoting somebody, he /she should mention the reason for downvoting in the comments section. Downvoting is needed but for a valid reason is ok but if somebody downvotes others without any valid reason is not good. Please reply in the comment section for discussion. Thanks for everyone .
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Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

Nuno Moreiras ·
I should start this discussion by asking: "Where Is Narrative Going?" like so many posts and issues before, but like with any community governed platform that answer will always remain unclear. So I will start by mentioning some of those who I've seen working hard for the future of this community, such as @Malkazoid, who suggested that I'd bring this issue here, @Christina Gleason or @BloggerKrunal among some others. Anyway, a somewhat heated...
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Re: Narrative Network Team - Releasing posts on Medium

Rosemary ·
I think that is the goal, and thanks for the reminder!
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Banter ·
Great, thanks!
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Re: Niche Organization / Map Feature - Discussion

Malkazoid ·
Hey Banter! So it is early days and probably there are some things that will become clearer as time passes, but with the understanding I think I have, I agree with you! I think internally, the technical representation of the map may already be a graph, and perhaps what is not yet determined is how that will then be represented to the user: maybe there is the thought that representing the graph as a tree to drill down through might be more intuitive from a user-facing perspective? I don't...
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Re: Concern: Threads being marked as Answered are ending side discussions that have merit

Emily Barnett ·
it is a bit problematic. But I can see the need for them to mark it as answered. Even though it is abrupt it may be better to start a new thread with a link to the originating conversation. On another, but sort of related note, are you @Christina Gleason or anyone else not getting alert notifications on the community page. I will mark that i am following a thread, and never get notified, despite going to it and seeing 4 new posts.
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Christina Gleason ·
I hadn't gotten notifications in over 36 hours until I just saw the one for your comment here, @Emily Barnett .
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Re: Concern: Threads being marked as Answered are ending side discussions that have merit

Emily Barnett ·
yes. I just saw three myself just in the last 4 hours. I am used to getting 4 to 8 every 6 hours or so. Weird.
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MOLLY O ·
@Christina Gleason , I am the one who closed a couple off yesterday. The point is not to "stifle" conversation but to note that the question was answered. You can always start a conversation or suggestion thread up on the topic. Just trying to keep things organized. I noticed that a couple times the discussions that follow go way off topic and so the conversation or topic or idea may get lost due to the topic title.
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MOLLY O ·
@Christina Gleason and @Emily Barnett . Regarding the issue you are having with Notifications. Please check to make sure you are following the types of support. If you follow them, then you should get notifications. Click on the black button "Following Narrative Topics" in the Support Community Tab. Then Choose what types from the drop down.
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Re: When Down vote someone , Please reply a comment for justification.

Colleen Ryer ·
It would be nice if people explained why they downvote, but some won't. It may be because they think the reason for the downvote should be obvious - and sometimes it may be - if the terms of service or AUP have been ignored. I think that having to select a reason helps to keep unfair downvoting from happening very often, but on occasion, it still does. And I do see that some comment if they have an issue with a post, and skip voting altogether - which in my opinion is far better than just...
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Re: The wonderful world of comments

Emily Barnett ·
Thanks for posting this. Comments are important! They are the foundation of making it engaging. I do like how this comment system allows you to quote someone. It makes it very easy to follow along. I don't like how some platforms post hierarchy is based on reputation. Comments need to flow as they come in. I would like to think that we don't need to implement a reward system for comments, in either monetization or just reputation, however I am not sure if people will engage otherwise. As an...
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Hickster747 ·
I agree. I've noticed that the comments section in the voting is very under used. It could be very useful if people have suggestions to the proposer or want to explain why they voted a particular way.
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RobbyCannard ·
Could a comment when voting be made mandatory or is that an overkill? It would prevent people voting without giving any consideration?
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Hickster747 ·
I'm not sure about mandatory. It might discourage people from voting but if someone votes no, it's probably a good idea to explain why. I've noticed one or two of the same people who seem to down vote the most innocuous topics again and again.
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RobbyCannard ·
Fair point, I agree with you though, it would be good to have the option to provide some reasoning behind the vote. Maybe not mandatory but encouraged
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Emily Barnett ·
Hey @RobbyCannard there already is an option to leave your reason for why you voted down something. And it is very helpful to the person suggesting the niche. I think no votes should include a mandatory reason to why you are voting it down so that we can reduce trolling and/or profiteering.
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RobbyCannard ·
Thanks @Emily Barnett . Apologies for not spotting that, I'm new to all of this, it's a bit overwhelming but I'm enjoying being a small part of Narrative
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Emily Barnett ·
NP...happy to help. One thing to remember is that voting down something should only be based on whether something is redundant. There is no personal preference. Also Micro-niches or sub-category niches are allowed, even if the Niche owner of a broad topic doesn't like it. When something is redundant legitimately, usually someone has left a comment saying so. Hope that helps.
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RobbyCannard ·
Thank you @Emily Barnett . Much appreciated.
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Emad ·
I agree, thanks for post
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mrgoodsett ·
I really like the TAKE ACTION feature on Narrative. I have had to edit a few posts due to rushing and typing on a phone.
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Malkazoid ·
Indeed! Sub-niches are an important aspect of the ecosystem of tags that are niches. To embrace this, I suggested a sub-niche (US Politics) to one of my niches (Politics) as a way of embracing this reality. If there is a sub-niche to one of your niches that you don't want to have stealing too much thunder from it - buy it if possible.
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

Malkazoid ·
Thanks for taking the time to transpose the discussion here @Nuno Moreiras . The Community and the Company need to have an in depth exchange over this core problem. The first thing I would like to do is to ask @David Dreezer not to change this issue into a suggestion or conversation. It is clear to me that @Nuno Moreiras sees that there is potentially something systemic that needs to change in order to fix this problem, and that can only happen via the Company. So for now - until the...
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

Serroc ·
I understand the premise and the concern. And I think the conversation is worth having - because I see many really lengthy and excellent articles get lost in the flurry of Visual posts. I participate in many of the niches that might be considered "spammy" while trying to maintain some level of quality. I recall in another suggestion here in the community, we were all discussing some way of splitting out written articles from visual offerings, because - like it or not, the internet has...
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

BloggerKrunal ·
Yes @Malkazoid you're right. We should keep this thread as an issue only. I would like to ask @Nuno Moreiras to remove "a discussion" from the title of this issue for the safer side. We do have a messy situation here about short and low quality contents on Narrative. @Serroc said it very well about why Memes are trending on Internet. Narrative is already flooded with multiple short content oriented niches and "pictures" is the core subject of that. There's nothing wrong in that until we...
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

Robert Nicholson ·
I've run a number of online rating and review sites that offered a star rating system. Looking at tens of millions of ratings, I can tell you that the majority of people rate something 1-star or 5-stars. You can see this yourself looking at product reviews on Amazon, or reviews on Yelp. We currently have a three-option scale: upvote, downvote, or don't vote at all. Frankly, for me those three options are more than enough.
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New Social Media ·
We must find a way to deal with low-quality posts and a daily posting limit for users who do not stake would at least help to force heavy users to commit tokens. A higher NRVE value will increase the rewards for content creators and attract better and more content creators. Please join this important discussion! Thank you indeed! https://www.narrative.org/post...l-staking-mechanisms
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

Malkazoid ·
Here are some of the tough questions I would like to see us grapple with: 1) should Narrative continue to try to be home both to high quality content and low quality content 2) should Narrative continue to try to be home to both short form and long from content 3) If the answer to 1) and 2) is YES, then should there be some separation of high and low quality on the niche level, and some separation of short and long form content? -------------------------------------- There are multiple ways...
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

Colleen Ryer ·
Think that separating the content in ways that make it easy for readers to choose the type of content they want would be a good first step. There are still quality issues within niches independent of type of content, but sufficient tools to deal with this aren't available yet. The face Narrative shows to the online world matters, and I really think a variety of content types is a major bonus attraction. It's a matter of how it's presented - and that the presentation makes it worthwhile for...
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

Christina Gleason ·
Thanks for tagging me into the conversation, @Nuno Moreiras . I will readily admit that, a few weeks ago, I stopped posting long form content (except for a few posts about Narrative itself) and started posting in the UVC niche you didn't fully redact in your post here. (Although the voting circle was something I intended to benefit from!) Why? Because I was frustrated that those posts were getting all the votes, and hell, I can find appropriate photos to fit the theme. So why not get mine,...
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

Antimetica ·
Great mockup Christina. A javascript word count checker could be implemented if someone checks the text box, that could prevent a post from being published if it didn't meet a minimum. It's been a long time since I did front end development, but this kind of solution is so far the easier of all the others proposed (voting changes, algos, etc.). There would be a bit of time required for the company to gather up the categories. I'm not sure if that would be done by hand, or if they can just...
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Antimetica ·
Also if this filtering is implemented, Niche Proposals going forward should have this same check box dialogue where the proposer should check which category it goes into, so that way the devs don't have to worry about it in the future. Although it should be decided it a niche could accommodate multiple categories of type of content. I think it would be perfectly reasonable to check all 4, but some might be more suited to just 1 or 2.
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Antimetica ·
Sorry for the short string of commenting. A possible easy way for Narrative Company to sort existing content would be to email or prompt every niche owner to categorize their niches. Not a 100% solution due to absent niche owners, but could cut down on a lot of work.
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

Nuno Moreiras ·
" Discussion " removed from the Title as suggested by @BloggerKrunal . I think a very important part of the problem is exactly what @Christina Gleason has mentioned. Even Narrators who strive to create quality content will sooner or later fall to these quick & easy niches, because at some point lets face it, it's either die a hero or see yourself become the villain . I kinda exploded with this topic on the niche approval comment that led to all this discussion, because on that day, I...
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

Sardart ·
I don't understand why the post that introduced this discussion does not correctly cite the niche object of criticism (Color Challenge) and its owner, which would be me. I don't understand the censorship! If this niche, as he says NUNO MOREIRAS ""is is one of the biggest cancers in Narrative at the moment, massive quantity of low quality content " , I expect the wise decision of the team to obscure this niche. No problem for me. In case you know where to return the NRVEs I paid for this...
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Antimetica ·
This issue is starting to get muddied for me. Should a separate thread be about the UI proposed solutions? I think it's been determined the Narrative Staff is not going to make changes to the algorithms or quality weights, but they haven't weighed in. It's difficult for me to vote this suggestion because I do not agree with whymonkey's assessment of sardart's niche. But yet, I do find the suggestions, and Christina's mockups, very valuable, and that is what I would want to put my efforts on.
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Nuno Moreiras ·
@Sardart i don't cite you and the Color Challenge niche because you are only a small part of a much larger problem... The problem is not only the Color Challenge niche is a community mentally issue. If you don't take it so personally and take the time to read what I wrote you'd also read that: "Do I disagree that such Niches should exist? Not at all. They are as much part of Narrative as any other Niche, what I am saying is that content with completely different standards of value is being...
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

Christina Gleason ·
@Sardart I wouldn't post to your niche if I thought it didn't belong on Narrative, but I think the bigger picture argument is that there are a large number of "low effort to participate and get more votes" niches, especially photo based, that are literally burying long, well researched text-based posts that never see more than a vote or two because of the proliferation of easy-to-post, easy-to-consume content. This is not necessarily the fault of the niche owners here. (I don't see you...
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

David Dreezer ·
For housekeeping purposes I have reclassified this topic as a conversation. We consider issues to be unintended problems with the software "I posted in italics and it came out in the wrong color" or " Image uploading isn't working" would be examples.
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
I'd like to downvote that comment.
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Nuno Moreiras ·
After the initial post, the first thing that was said by @Malkazoid was literally: "The first thing I would like to do is to ask @David Dreezer not to change this issue into a suggestion or conversation. It is clear to me that @Nuno Moreiras sees that there is potentially something systemic that needs to change in order to fix this problem, and that can only happen via the Company. So for now - until the conversation has played out, please do not conclude there is nothing for the Team to...
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Re: Low-Quality Content, "Spammy" Niches and Unintentional Voting Circles

Vico Biscotti ·
This is a major problem, and maybe the most important of the platform, in my opinion. It was clear since the beginning that different types of content - with undifferentiated metrics and presentation - would lead to an unfair competition which could only end up in the fast-food of content. I'm with @Malkazoid that the questions about which type of content should find home here is fundamental. If the answer is "any type of content", then it's clear that you can't treat a photo - however...
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Fiona ·
@malkazoid I think there is another issue: what is the role of niche owners and moderators in all of this. I am still on a learning curve (steep), but I would have thought that as an element of the governance of Narrative they'd have a role to play in this. Or am I missing something?
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BloggerKrunal ·
So much to go through in just 2 days. Well if you guys haven't read the Narrative WhitePaper then please read the page no. 45. I've shared it below with some highlights. It says, THE FUTURE While the initial focus is on blog content, Narrative’s ultimate goal is to be the Amazon of content , eventually offering support for podcasts, video, and potentially even original programming/films. The content economy created and maintained by Narrative can be extended to support brand-controlled...
 
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