Tagged With "edit"

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Improving the way misspelled niches are handled

Ted ·
Currently, only a niche owner can change a niche's name or description after it is initially created by the person that originally suggested it. Because of that, niches with misspellings are (rightfully) being rejected. And when that happens, the recourse is to have someone suggest the niche again, hopefully without misspellings. :) We've had some community members raise this as an issue ( here and here ): After considering the feedback and suggestions, we've come up with a way to fix these...
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Is it CURRENTLY possible to edit the name/description of a niche you submitted?

Christina Gleason ·
I'm asking because of the Drinking Alcohol niche I suggested here: https://alpha.narrative.org/hq/approval/25946601693388838 I added a line about the legal drinking age specifically to avoid the "encouraging illegal activity" part of the TOS, but others find it problematic, which is pretty much the opposite of why I included it in the first place. (I am autistic and thought I was preventing a problem, not causing one!) I know there's been talk in here about being able to edit suggested niche...
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Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
...or is there any way for us to make suggestions for changes to the Tribunal? Because BLOG and Internet social media are TERRIBLE.
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Emojis in comments are broken when I edit the comment.

Bashar Abdullah ·
If I make smily face :) , it translates into Smily icon. If I do edit, the code is broken then and doesn't work.
Question

how to appeal for an edit in a niche title and description?

Gosia Rokicka ·
Hello, I'd like to edit the name and description of the niche I won the auction for. I could see only one button requesting an appeal. I clicked and filled the form that asked why I wanted to appeal. The appeal is here: https://www.narrative.org/hq/appeal/46495305201796002 Some of the members of the Tribunal already voted, stating I should have asked for an edit. I agree but... how to do it?? I haven't seen this option when I was appealing. Could you please help? thanks, Gosia
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Is any "Preview" available when creating a post?

maJes_tic_Narrator ·
Hi all I had started to create my first post on Narrative, but realized that there is no "PREVIEW" of how the post will appear. The only thing I could see is the plain text and the HTML. This seems to be a bit of a hindrance to creating quality posts. I have a blog on Steemit, and one of its best features is the "Preview, " where I can read, preview, proofread, edit, and check to make sure everything is perfect before I click post. Is there anything I'm missing here? Is there a way to...
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While niche approval needs community voting, the edit of the niche - even a major one - doesn't

Vico Biscotti ·
When the community votes for a niche, discussion and voting is based on the name and the description of a niche. However, a following edit, after the niche is purchased, can significantly change the meaning of the niche, as it happend with Creativity . And the community has no tools to appeal the edit (I already suggested different types of appeal ). I think that a major edit should undergo a discussion similar to the one on the approval phase, even if the niche has an owner. The community...
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The edit of the Creativity niche changed the meaning of the niche

Vico Biscotti ·
The description of the Creativity niche has been changed, and the edit has been approved by the Tribunal . However, the edit changes the meaning of the niche from the act and the process of creativity to a place to share the product of your creativity or your creative ideas (a very general scope). The edit is a major one, and it completely changes the wording and the scope of the niche. I raised the discussion on Narrative , but I'm posting as an issue here too because we members have no...
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Change the wording of the email narrators receive when an active niche is rejected

Christina Gleason ·
This will not be a common issue, I think, but we may ferret out niches other than BLOG that need to be edited or rejected. A narrator (@tommyapplecore) thought his post had been deleted when he got the email about his post(s) in the BLOG niche. (In the comments here .) The email should make it clear that the niche itself is gone, and that posts were not deleted, but will no longer appear in that niche - so the narrator can choose another niche to tag in its place. It should also be made...
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Remove Vote and Editing Notification on Post/Comment

BloggerKrunal ·
Remove Voting on Post or Comment Sometimes accidentally we might vote on any post or comment which we don't want to. Now current voting system is irreversible, so either we have to leave it as it is or someone might prefer to down vote it later on. (depends on whatever they want to prefer) How about to have a remove vote option by clicking on it again? For both, upvote and down vote on post/comment. Editing Notification on Post or Comment After 1st trial, we might need to edit our posts or...
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User Profile - UI Edits

BloggerKrunal ·
In the attached screenshot on right side under the user icon we have few options like, Your Profile Your Niches Edit Profile Account Settings Personal Settings Notification Settings Certification Manage Posts Log Out Total we have 9 tabs here. Now we're having the same options on the left side too. I've underlined few. Now these options looks very cluttered right now. So many Settings Settings (Account, Personal, Notification) and I don't know why we have placed "Manage Posts" tab in 2nd...
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Edit Indicators and Post Revisions

Willem Van Zyl ·
We need to see an "edit indicator" when someone has edited their post or comment, else users may respond to or vote for something that's completely changed later-on.
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Niche Edit Request

Nuno Moreiras ·
Hey, I have just submitted a niche edit request for "Rate Me" niche to "Rate Me (Photography)" and I see that tribunal members Brian Lenz has rejected stating that: "Putting Photography in the name is a material change to the Niche in my opinion, so I’m voting to reject." I just wanted to state that I believe this is the exact opposite of my intention. Photography IS the material of the Niche! If I want to start the aproval for a "Rate Me (Art)" for example, I will be unable to do so,...
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Allow publication owners to edit submitted posts without immediately publishing

Christina Gleason ·
I just spent some time editing a contribution from one of my writers, but there isn't an option to save as a draft like we do when posting to our personal journals. I just published a different story by another of my writers, and I was hoping to get the jump on editing this new story to go live tomorrow... but my only options are Delete, Cancel Changes, or Publish. And now, to my frustration, the Edit Post page went blank, and upon reloading, I lost all of the edits I'd already made, so I've...
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Rejecting Articles for Publications

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Instead of simply accepting or rejecting articles, allow for publication editors and owners to request edits. This makes the editorial process more collaborative and allows publication owners and editors to work with writers to create the best draft. As is, writers are subject entirely to the publication owners' and editors' control while publication owners and editors are subject to writers' ability to get it right on the first try, which rarely happens. By requesting edits, the writer and...
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Re: Is it CURRENTLY possible to edit the name/description of a niche you submitted?

Malkazoid ·
Hi Christina, I wondered the same thing recently - and it does not seem that functionality has been added yet. A few days ago I tried to revive a thread where this was the topic: https://community.narrative.or...d-niches-are-handled But I wouldn't expect much in response until we're well clear of the New Year period. This functionality would be really helpful. Meanwhile, don't get discouraged! Your niche suggestions are great!
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Re: Is it CURRENTLY possible to edit the name/description of a niche you submitted?

Ted ·
To confirm what @Malkazoid said, that feature is not yet supported, unfortunately.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Ted ·
There is currently no way to give feedback like that (directly) to the niche owner. And niche owners are the only ones that can currently edit the niche names/descriptions, as well. I think the idea of letting the community suggest niche name/description edits may have merit, but then again there are a lot of people who think that only niche owners should completely control such things. In my view, niches are a public resource and because of that you can make an argument that community input...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
Maybe one way to handle the "tons of edit requests" problem would be to only allow one active edit request at a time per niche. If the Tribunal approves it, no one else could request another edit for... 30 days? 60 days? I'm just tossing out numbers.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
I think you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't expect people to pay narrative money to own a niche, and then turn around and say it is the a public resource and up to the community to make changes to it. if we are owners of niches, then we are owners. This doesn't seem too difficult to me at all. Join the community. Engage with it by posting, voting, and commenting on it. Then direct message the owner once we have some sort of messaging in place (hopefully beta?) Not everything...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Robert Nicholson ·
@Ted - I agree with @Emily Barnett 100%. A "like" of her post isn't strong enough. The owner should be the arbiter of any changes to the niche name or description (with approval of the Tribunal).
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
While I see your points, I still respectfully disagree. Redundant niches are not allowed. An uninvolved niche owner ignoring their duty to make their niche discoverable in search and show some semblance of professionalism hurts anyone who wants to contribute content on that particular topic. Blogging and Social Media aren't exactly long-tail niches, so having them stuck the way they are will hurt contributors. I wouldn't be averse to a system like I described above, where community members...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
Ownership is ownership. You cannot have it both ways. If I pay for something it is mine. I may allow it to be accessed by the community as a resource, because it serves us both, to do that, but it still has been bought and paid for, there for the decision on the name and description is mine to make. If it is redundant to someone else's previously purchased niche, then we have a mechanism in place to appeal that. But if the community prefers better grammar or description, that should be...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
I also think it is important to remember that owners ARE part of the community as well. They are not this MIA delinquent landlord type whom are out to mess up individual's content plans. Narrative has people of different education levels, different language levels, different levels of deep thought, and different activity levels, all participating in Narrative. Of course we all would love everything to be at University level writing, where everybody has a deep handle on the English language.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Malkazoid ·
Won't belabour this because we've said it all before... but in my opinion we should be looking at this first and foremost from the perspective of quality, so I tend to agree with Christina more. People don't have to have university level English because we have a community of people who are willing to help. Ownership is not incompatible with bylaws that upload quality. In the desirable neighbourhoods, cities, and countries of this world, it is common that owners of real estate still have to...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
Good to see you back again, @Malkazoid . Your absence had been noticed!
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
I don't think anyone has suggested a laissez-faire fair approach @Malkazoid , quite to opposite. But @Ted went down the path of entrepreneurialism in the white papers, by making to niches purchasable. He went further, when after you and then I both campaigned for TRUE OWNERSHIP. Which we achieved. I am in full agreement that bylaws are a part of maintaining quality controls. And Narrative has those bylaws in place. We voted on niches to approve or not approve, prior to niches being...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Malkazoid ·
I don't get it. You'd be furious if someone corrected a spelling or grammar mistake for you?
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
I would vote this comment down if i could. Imagine if you your neighbor painted their house pink. you hated it. told them so, and still they ignored you. So when they went away to visit their sick mother, you decided to make it better quality and painted it blue, because after all you are part of the community. You don't have a right to do that. You didn't buy the house. You can report it to the bylaw officers. They can issue a ticket if it actually breaks a bylaw. that is it. Niches should...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
@Emily Barnett , Heads up that two of your "niches I own" have broken links in your support community profile. I was taking a look at your niche descriptions, and I don't think anyone could reasonably suggest and get approval for the descriptions in your niches, because YOU DID YOUR JOB as an owner to make them good ones. It's the completely absent niche owners I'm worried about, the ones who will literally never come back to respond to feedback because they just want their 10%. I don't know...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
But a house is private property. I don't invite people to come in and decorate my house and contribute to it so that I can (somehow) profit from their efforts. My house is not a workspace for people to come and show off their artwork or add to my book collection that doubles as a library or public reading room. I don't think your analogy works, because a private home is different than a public showcase.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Malkazoid ·
Bylaws commonly impose standards on what is done with private property. True ownership was always expressed by me, in the early days, as the ability to accrue capital gains by being able to sell niches. I never meant to support some sort of protection from owned niches having their descriptions improved if the owner goes MIA. Anyway, as I said, I'd support that the process happen in communication with owners whenever possible, as a collaborative effort, but with the authority for the quality...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
@Christina Gleason When we very first began, we didn't have spelling, or description as a legitimate reason for voting down a niche. That was only introduced months after the process began. So hopefully that clears up your confusion how this happened. @Malkazoid Personally no I wouldn't have a problem with my spelling mistakes being changed, but that isn't the point that is at risk with this suggestion that the community can make changes if after 7 days they get no response. Surely you can...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Malkazoid ·
That's what is being suggested. Bylaws can force you to modify the way your property presents, to align with what the bylaws allow. We're not proposing that any random community member can come and 'repaint' your niche. We're proposing some form of authority - akin to bylaw officers - for Narrative. And if your niche description has spelling mistakes or grammar mistakes, or has a scope mismatch between name and description, they should have the authority to work with you to fix such problems.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Malkazoid ·
It already is an issue. Christina has been saying this repeatedly. There is no guarantee that there will be a way to message owners. I seem to recall the team saying that won't exist at launch. They seem to not be putting much emphasis on the social aspect of Narrative for now. In any event, I think we should step back and recognise that a systemic problem requires a systemic fix. Just hoping it will all get cleared up by individuals making suggestions to niche owners - is a recipe for mixed...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
that is what the tribunal is. they are the by law. Actually yes, @Christina Gleason did suggest that if nobody responded in say 7 days, the changes could be made. I think there is just too much talk about policing grammar. Just send the owner a message, on how to change it. If they are smart they will take the advice. So many rules.....have some faith in people.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Malkazoid ·
No - they aren't. They have made very clear they do not view it as their role to make corrections. Not sure what Christina said, but personally I would favour an official quality control team - and yes, if the owner doesn't respond, they should be able to make fixes anyway. 7 days might be too short, but the buck has to stop somewhere, and sometime. "If they are smart"... Not everyone is. Lets be real here. It isn't even a question of smarts in many cases: it is a question of whether the...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Malkazoid ·
Bowing out now - that's all my Narrative time gone up in smoke! Thanks for the discussion.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
The team would be foolish to not put in some way of sending a message to people. I don't believe that they are stepping back from the social aspect of it. I haven't gotten that impression at all. I am not trying to be argumentative with either of you. I just have faith that these "lesser quality" niches that you refer to will either get fixed, or sink rapidly to the bottom. I don't equate Narrative to an airplane where "poor quality" will result in no lift of the wings, and result in the...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
I get that....i have been in my studio for an hour already.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Okay, I've had a couple of brandies so forgive me if this sounds stupid. I skipped over a few comments to chime in and I'll come back to read the rest tomorrow. I think this discussion of "niche ownership" is somewhat passé. When you "buy" a niche, you are technically only leasing it. You get it for a year, then you have to renew it. So, what happens if someone decides not to renew the niche? Who controls it then? If a niche remains "unowned" for a period of time because it is "pink," who...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
@Ted is there plans to have some sort of messaging system? I cannot believe that it wouldn't. Narrative would hardly be competitive with out it. But giving the group some clarity on this topic, would help dissipate anxieties that are flowing about the need to control the quality of people's purchased niche's. Thank you.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
My analogy perfectly works. You can invite people over to your house all the time. if people don't like your house they can suggest you fix it up, or they can refuse to visit. And as the house owner, you can take the suggestion and improve your house if you value having company.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Malkazoid ·
Emily - I think you are focusing only on how your analogy works, and ignoring how Christina is showing you the important ways in which it does not work. It bears repeating for the nth time that niches are unique, and have public utility. You can try to ignore this as much as you want, it remains true. A person who disapproves of how a niche presents isn't just getting a negative impression of the one niche. They're comparing it to categories on other sites - ones that do have quality...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
You left out: What percentage of people will feel entitled to the niche, because they are a regular contributor, and therefore start changing the niche to reflect more of what they want it to be, through enforced community changes? What you and Christina are proposing has flaws as well. Those ones seem worse to me. It hasn't even launched yet. I don't think Narrative is going to spontaneously combust on April 4th because we have some poorly crafted niches. I just don't. Youtube, instgram,...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Malkazoid ·
How would that be a danger? If there is a dedicated QC team, how do you propose they be manipulated by individual regular contributors, and bent to their will? I've been really clear and simple in my proposal: a QC team that targets spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes and mismatches in scope. That doesn't sound like a body that is going to start kowtowing to individual desires to modify the intent of a niche. I've even been really specific in saying the QC team should work WITH niche owners...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Emily Barnett ·
@Malkazoid you didn't debunk anything, you just said that it wouldn't happen. I can say the same thing to your questions. "that won't happen." There i have debunked your claims. A QC team is just as suggestive as, the tribunal, and the niche approval process, which we have seen over and over again, don't always get it right. In fact, in my opinion there is already a niche suggestion at the moment that I think demonstrates more of my point than yours. People do a lot of funny things to be...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Malkazoid ·
Emily: we've been over this. The Tribunal's role, as they see it, is not to make any fixes to niches. So why are you now saying a QC team, whose explicit role would be to arrive at, and make fixes with the niche owner, is just as 'suggestive' as the Tribunal? I've said really clearly I'm proposing that the QC Team should have authority to make fixes within the tight definition of spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes, and scope mismatches. I feel like a lot of what I'm saying isn't sinking in.
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Garden Gnome Publications ·
This has been a very enlightening discussion. Both sides are making good points, but there is a real-world example of this problem riding through the Niche approval process right now. Unfortunately, it looks like I'm going to be banned from suggesting more niches for another week because of a silly little typo (and as anal as I am about language, I'm ashamed I made it). I suggested the Poetics niche , which is likely to be unprofitable and only garner the interest of a few people on the...
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Re: Is there any way to tell a niche owner that their name/description sucks and should be edited?

Christina Gleason ·
I just want to add that my "if the niche owner doesn't respond in 7 days..." was an arbitrary length of time I chose. Narrative would certainly take multiple factors into account before actually deciding upon a reasonable amount of time to wait for a niche owner to respond.
 
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