Tagged With "approved"

Issue

How Does a User Enter Page 2 and Beyond of Approvals?

Dillon Hamilton ·
I've tried entering page 2 of the approvals page to vote and comment on pending niches for the past few days and I've received an error page in response each time. At first I thought it may be because I'm new and was restricted based on my novice status, but I'm not sure why that would be the case anymore. Is there only one page of approvals or am I doing something incorrectly? Thanks!
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Unowned niches need to be active

Malkazoid ·
This seems to be the most pressing topic right now, so a good first 'Conversation' for the new version of the community forums. In an effort to see just how many people will come up against the jarring realisation that the tag they want can only be unlocked if someone spends $75, I tested the assertion made by the @Narrative Network Team that most topics are covered by owned niches. So I took some common areas of interest and searched for niches for them. Politics There are a few...
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Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
I originally voted for the niche Was I Wrong . I Even thought it was an interesting topic. However, this morning as I noodle around Narrative's ToS, and AUP, and even the Community standards policy for Medium, I am beginning to feeling that this is a topic we shouldn't approve. And would like to share my perspectives and get some other opinions given what i am about to point out, before the voting time frame is up. Narrative ToS under section 3. Content it states: By submitting Your Content...
Suggestion

Niche suggester name on approval page

Malkazoid ·
Hey, When voting to approve niches, the page we land on when we click on a niche from the list of niches voting page, is a page with the following: - Niche name and description - Vote yes or no section - A summary of stats about the niche's approval - List of current votes for and against - Comments The username of the person who suggested the niche is completely lacking from this page. It makes it difficult to address comments directly to the niche suggester, which is something we often do...
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Current niche approvals that are problematic

Malkazoid ·
We had a thread to alert the community to these before there was a move to this newer version of the support site, but I think all those threads are locked now, so here's a new one! Alert the community to the niches that may be receiving the wrong votes in the approval process. Avoiding the need to appeal an approval to the Tribunal lessens their workload and allows them to focus on their core task of developing the platform. This is all the more important now, because after Beta launch, a...
Suggestion

While niche approval needs community voting, the edit of the niche - even a major one - doesn't

Vico Biscotti ·
When the community votes for a niche, discussion and voting is based on the name and the description of a niche. However, a following edit, after the niche is purchased, can significantly change the meaning of the niche, as it happend with Creativity . And the community has no tools to appeal the edit (I already suggested different types of appeal ). I think that a major edit should undergo a discussion similar to the one on the approval phase, even if the niche has an owner. The community...
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The approval of a niche displays the new description and not the original one

Vico Biscotti ·
As I recently noticed with the edit of the Creativity niche , the approval of the niche displays the new description, instead of the one originally approved. The new description may be very different from that approved by the community and this is confusing when consulting the approval. I think it would be better to display both the original and the current descriptions, in the approval page.
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In case of an edit request of a niche, allow comments from members before the approval from the Tribunal.

Vico Biscotti ·
Like it happened with Creativity , the edit of a niche description can be a major one. The community approved the niche when the description was very different, moderators nominate themselves (and will operate) also based on the description, and some members (like me) will take the new description into consideration when following or submitting. While the Tribunal takes care of the approval and always has the final word, it could be fair - and certainly appreciated - to allow the community...
Issue

Niche Approvals got extended

BloggerKrunal ·
I suggested few Niches 3 days ago which are still under approval stage for another 3 days. I think we are facing some technical issues here.
Question

Niche approval delayed

Vico Biscotti ·
I see the approval of the Writing niche has been delayed. Yesterday I saw 1 hour was left, and now 23 hours are still there... At the same time, I saw niches with fewer points and upvote% not delayed ( The Writing Room , for example, didn't go through that, from what I saw). Any explanation?
Issue

50/50 not a clear defeat

MD Nijam ·
For my niches i need another 3 days approval period because it's 50/50 not a clear defeat. niches link: https://www.narrative.org/n/flowers
Conversation

Flowers Niche need community support.

MD Nijam ·
This niche need your support,The niche to discuss everything flower-related - cultivation, floristry, species of flowering plants. Here is the link: https://www.narrative.org/hq/a...al/53814911887617182 NOTE: This is a valid Niche.It doesn't conflict with "Petals,Petals and flowers are not same thing.Still if you have any doubt please read this @Bashar Abdullah's post. https://www.narrative.org/post/game-of-niches
Suggestion

Reward Niche Suggestions Based on Approval Rating and Market Value

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Instead of rewarding all niche suggestions with a rep bonus, how about rewarding niche suggestions based on their value to the community as gauged by approval rating and whether or not they are ever purchased. If a niche suggestion is rejected, the suggester should see a slight negative reward based on the weight of the approval rating. The same for approvals. For instance, if a niche suggestion gets a 45.7% approval rating, the niche suggester gets a very slight negative hit to rep, but if...
Issue

Reputation Blow Due to Narrative's Change of Policy

Nuno Moreiras ·
Dear Team, Following my post " Why We Need Niche Edit Requests to Niches in Auctions ", I would like to request that the reputation lost due to the rejection of the "The Narrative Members Yellow Book" be restored to my account, since there is no way for the community to foresee changes in the AUP and company policy with less than a month notice. Also it would be nice if "The Narrative Members Yellow Book" status would be changed to Approved or at least deleted so that it could be submitted...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Colleen Ryer ·
I see your point - a clearly identified quote from a published source is fine, but repeating private conversation without clear permission probably isn't.
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
The second thing that I noticed, which isn't directly applicable, but only because our AUP is not very flushed out and because we don't have a community standards policy of our own. So looking at Medium's CSP it states this, which I find very relatable to this suggested niche: Medium Community Conduct Privacy and Reputation We do not allow the following: Posting copies of private communications between private individuals without the explicit consent of all parties to the communication. I...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
An Addendum to my point.... We do have an AUP that states no harassment. I guess one has to determine if this niche is by it's very nature, capable of harassing, or bullying other people, by being publicly judged, when one party didn't ever agree to it, may not be aware of it in order to present their side of the argument...anonymously or not, I think it it definitely can quickly blur into harassment. Regarding the anonymous bit, it seems totally irrelevant. One only has to copy and past a...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Garden Gnome Publications ·
As with all human behavior, I would put the onus of responsibility on the actor. However, the sentence above from your last post @Emily Barnett brings up an interesting point. Since such comments are public, the person making them has no right to claim privacy. Even in the physical world, a word spoken in a public place is not private communication. It is public and, therefore, quotable. Regarding actual private communications, I think the Medium CSP is problematic because if you send me an...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Ted ·
FYI-- the Narrative AUP already says:
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
ok, @Garden Gnome Publications i am a bit confused by your bouncing back and forth, so bare with me if I got something wrong as I respond to your post. 1. Narrative's AUP states you cannot post anything identifiable. Many people choose to remain anonymous on this platform, so even linking information that can link to a social media account that does have the persons public identity seems to me to be a breech of the AUP as I read it. I don't think you can say that the there is no onus on the...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Malkazoid ·
Unless I'm missing something important, I have no problem with this niche existing. I don't think these sorts of online attention-seeking to validate arguments with third parties are in particularly good taste, but lots of people find them entertaining, and my taste isn't relevant. I don't think the niche violates any of our standards. The description contains: "Don't link to online conversations, just quote them without revealing usernames..." This seems to indicate that the niche is...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Yes, that's the way I see it too. @Emily Barnett , if you and I are throwing down a couple of beers in my man cave and you make a wry remark that unsettles me, should I decide to say to @Malkazoid , "Hey, a friend of mine in private the other day said ...," there's no breach of privacy there. I didn't identify which friend said it. It's simply conveying information about an event without personally identifying the individual who could potentially be embarrassed by the situation. That's all...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
@Garden Gnome Publications Sure if you ask @Malkazoid in person then I can see your point. But that isn't the situation here. Our TOS states you are giving your consent to The narrative platform to recreate and use your content, and that by giving them that right you have full consent to do that. Do you? I don't think you do. Definately not the Real life conversation that had a reasonable expectation to privacy. I agree with you Malkazoid, it is kind of distasteful, and has gossipy...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
@Malkazoid I read your comment on the niche suggestion page. Perhaps you have missed something important. You suggest that it is just public online debates, so no harm no foul. But the niche suggests #IRL that opens up expectations to privacy, which the way i read the TOS seems to be in violation of consent. I am not really interested in convincing anyone here. I am attempting to layout my reasons for submitting it to the Tribunal, at a greater length of discourse, and they can decide if it...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I had to look up #IRL because I was unfamiliar. Since the app is targeted toward teens, there is a potential issue there if someone is inadvertently pointed at and a moderator misses it. It could lead to harassment allegations. However, the description does clearly state not to link to conversations or reveal usernames. You can appeal it to The Tribunal and see what they say. No harm in that.
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
at the very bare minimum...the description is unclear. Many people I suspect don't know what IRL means "In real life".
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Malkazoid ·
Hello Emily, I respect your opinion, but real life conversations cannot be searched online, so if the poster does not breach the privacy of the person by identifying them in their post, I'm not sure what your objection is.
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Garden Gnome Publications ·
What further obscures it, in my mind, is that there is an app aimed at teens named In Real Life. So does the #IRL in the description refer to that or actually real life? I think, either way, the description still clearly states no identification and no links.
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Malkazoid ·
Yes - insuring anonymity of the third party or parties being discussed is the only real consideration here. This niche in and of itself, doesn't set itself up to violate privacy. Whether it is real life conversations stripped of any identifiers, or online discussions which are only searchable if they are already public... we should be on the right side of the AUP, as long as the AUP itself is ironclad enough. Perhaps we should be focusing on asking the @Narrative Network Team to enhance the...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
I have stated my objection pretty obviously @Malkazoid in the first post of the thread where I actually copy and pasted the ToS. It isn't just about the identification. That is the point that Ted brought up in this discussion. My point is that you have to have consent of all party's involved for content according to the ToS. So if you are posting a quote from someone from a private conversation that they have an expectation of privacy, without getting their consent then this is a breech of...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Malkazoid ·
Very good - yes, the Tribunal will decide! I apologise for not reading your initial post carefully enough - I jumped into the thread thinking I knew what the issue was because I had read the comments on the niche approval page itself, but of course you did lay things out in more detail here. I'm pretty sure the section of the TOS you quote is referring to obtaining 'rights power and authority' from a copyright perspective. The part that deals with privacy is elsewhere, isn't it? I doubt...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

MichelleG ·
Medium's policy is a result of a misunderstanding of the law mixed with an over abundance of caution/not wanting to defend a lawsuit even if it's baseless. In point of fact, I believe their policy to be so draconian as to be unenforceable in a court of law, any settlements notwithstanding. Not sure if such exist but I'd bet my buttons.
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
well they voted it down. Even if i get a hit on my rep. I have no regrets. I value my private conversations, and i would be right friggin choked if somebody posted my arguments verbatim from inside the privacy of my home, email, text, or vehicle, onto the internet in hopes of financially cashing in. I believe in privacy. But lately it is has become the cheapest thing in the world.
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I don't understand how it's an invasion of your privacy if you aren't connected with the published comments. You'll have anonymity. That is privacy.
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
if i end up reading it, how is it private. And why should you, make money off of what I said, without asking me if that is ok?
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Bart ·
Anonymity is not the same as privacy. They are different words, with different meanings.
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Malkazoid ·
Copyright restricts what is considered an original work. Only original works are protected by copyright. I'm not completely on top of the criteria for what constitutes an original work, but conversations do not. Written correspondence does. That means technically you could object to someone using a portion of written conversation, and ask them to remove it, but you would have very little effective legal recourse. If it is just a portion of the full written conversation, fair use would apply.
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
I think this is a very interesting conversation, and one that really addresses "Quality", and community standards. I have no regrets by testing the limits of the ToS and the AUP on this instance with the Tribunal, because I think it is important that we do understand what they will allow, and not allow. (although it does seem like they allow anything) @Malkazoid I see your point regarding the difficulties to make a case. But that should not be our only defining compass. In life, or on a...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Malkazoid ·
It doesn't seem far-fetched to me either - it seems very likely! That's why I suggested that the AUP and/or TOS be updated to forbid not just the sharing of personal details, but also the sharing of information that would likely allow people to identify other in this sort of context. I think this is something that should be fixed in the AUP/TOS anyway, regardless of this niche. If I say something like: "I won't tell you this person's name because it is against the TOS, but she's my spouse,...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
@Malkazoid true, bullying can indeed happen on many niches as you pointed out. But the difference between Your Racism niche and the suggested Was I Wong niche is that its very modus operandi IS to have the community cast a judgement on the a situation, that is not being fairly represented by both parties, both parties did not consent to be involved in being judged, and both parties are not their to defend themselves. (show me a court of approval like that, and I will show you a kangaroo)...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Christina Gleason ·
I had no idea than an app with that name existed. I literally meant in "real life" as in not in online communications. I also just became aware of this thread, as the one who suggested Was I Wrong? It seems my own intent for suggesting the niche was a lot more corruptible than I would have considered. As an autistic woman, I quite naively don't understand when I've made a mistake in etiquette or such sometimes, and I do need to ask people if I was wrong and should apologize. I'm also...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Emily Barnett ·
Thanks for weighing in Christina. I think the issue is more about where it could quite easily go, not your intentions. Not doubting your intentions. And also the group is much larger now, than when I first brought up community standards last year, and as we rapidly move to beta, we are all seeing how important it is, that we have more defined community standards, so that we can lean up against something, when we are voting. Right now there doesn't seem to be much to lean against, so some of...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I've had to think about this a little more deeply, as well. I do think there is a lot of potential here for abuse with a niche like this. I've never much cared for these kinds of games, but a lot of people do. Maybe we'll all be lucky and no one will buy it. @Christina Gleason , might I ask where you fall on the spectrum? My grandson has Asperger's and he also has trouble sometimes knowing where that line is.
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Christina Gleason ·
@Garden Gnome Publications I was diagnosed with Asperger's (in 2012?) a few years after my son was diagnosed in preschool in 2009. By trying to learn as much as I could to help him be the best version of himself, everything I read about Asperger's sounded like my own childhood. After waffling about my "Asperger's traits" for a while, I asked my psychiatrist if he could give me a proper diagnosis - or not, as the case may be. But I had more than the minimum required criteria for diagnosis, so...
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Re: Concerns about the niche suggestion Was I Wrong

Malkazoid ·
It is great to get some insight into the really good place Christina's niche idea came from.
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Re: Niche suggester name on approval page

Brian Lenz ·
Thanks for the suggestion, @Malkazoid . You're totally right about needing to show the suggester on the approval page And I agree that auto-complete for comment mentions would be nice to have
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Re: Niche suggester name on approval page

Malkazoid ·
Big day tomorrow mate - good luck with everything. I'll try to put aside a good hour to give initial feedback!
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Re: Niche suggester name on approval page

MALAY BANERJEE ·
Yes i totally agree with you. By this everyone in the community can interact with the niche suggestor. There should be a option to correct Nice name and description by the niche suggestor if needed. Thanks Everyone i hope everyone enjoying Narrative after beta launch.. Narrative going to be a Great community for both contents creators and its users.
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Re: Niche suggester name on approval page

MichelleG ·
Also, when the person who is commenting suggested the niche, maybe put that next to their name?
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Re: Niche suggester name on approval page

Malkazoid ·
Great - looks like this is now live on the Beta!
 
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