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Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
Redundancy anyone? As you all probably know - Narrative niches need to be unique, clear, correctly spelled, and to not violate the Terms of Service . To coordinate down-voting of redundant or invalid niches, rather than creating dozens of threads, we can alert the community here in one place. Bookmark the thread for easy access, and follow the thread to be alerted via email when there are new posts. Remember - voting to validate or invalidate niches under review, builds your Narrative...
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Malkazoid ·
A couple of redundant niches to get us started - help avoid these going to the Tribunal for determination (which chews up energy the @Narrative Network Team could be using to build the platform)! The Gaming Corner niche is redundant: https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10182477413128240 The Gaming niche already exists ( https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/gaming ) The ICON niche is redundant: https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10323310571542334 The ICON - ICX niche already exists (...
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MOLLY O ·
@Malkazoid . Thanks for starting this thread. I have a handful of potential duplicates identified that have already been approved by the Community and being sent to the Tribunal. So, the earlier we recognize the duplicates the better. Also, beyond this thread (which will be very useful), remember to put comments in when voting. I think it really helps. People can agree or disagree with comments, but they are still helpful and will get voters thinking.
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Malkazoid ·
Ok, so don't hate on me. I like pandas. But the Panda niche has a problem. https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10464048070848469 The description says it is about the Giant Panda, but there are several types of pandas out there. So either the niche name needs to become Giant Panda, or the description needs to be changed to include all pandas. As it currently stands, the niche needs to be down voted. When the beta platform launches, how well presented the niches are will have a very direct...
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Malkazoid ·
https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10323310573468737 This niche is a mouthful: BITTUBE - MONETIZE YOUR CONTENT & FREDOM OF SPEECH & DECENTRALIZED MEDIA PLATFORM . Should we perhaps enforce a character limit for niche names, @Narrative Network Team ? The niche should really just be called Bittube, with the rest of the information placed in the description... For now though, there is a spelling mistake in the current name, so we should vote to disapprove of it in its current state.
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Michael ·
Agreed. Besides, 'The Video Vault' already exists, and that's the function this Niche would serve, albeit with a different name. These spelling mistakes and other simple fixes in names should be able to be changed without having to go through a week of waiting. Either way, duplicate by function.
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twitch.tv/billybonus ·
Great work Malkazoid for finding these issues!
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Michael ·
If it's an external website or platform, that's called a link. I'll have to let @Ted or @MOLLY O respond to this one, because if Narrative wanted external links, they'd probably just use Google. If we don't know what it is, needless to say, it will need to be specified.
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MOLLY O ·
Agree with you @Malkazoid . I voted down for misspelling. @Michael This would be a valid niche assuming it is not just a link. Assuming this niche is to be about posting content related to that platform.
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Malkazoid ·
Hello Michael Bittube appears to be a streaming platform but it is external to Narrative, and so should be allowed to have a niche dedicated to it. The Video Vault is a Narrative niche that I think hopes to be the home for videos people post to Narrative directly. I may be wrong, but I think that if the person who proposed Bittube makes a reasonable niche name, devoid of spelling mistakes - it should be acceptable.
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Malkazoid ·
Two redundant niches under consideration - one proposed 6 hours before the other. Intellectual Dark Web , proposed September 3, 2018 11:46 PM IDW , proposed September 4, 2018 5:31 AM It seems we should downvote the late-comer: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/idw
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Malkazoid ·
Good questions! Niche creep may well be a thing, and it is difficult to predict how many resources will need to be devoted to keeping it in check. Before reading the full length of your post, I was of a mind that the niches are both valid and can coexist, because I saw the distinction that you mention: that Shopping seems to be all about shopping, and Shopping Haul seems to be specifically about sharing what got bought on the last shopping trip. (Neither are very interesting to me so I have...
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Gord ·
Yeah @Michael , I don't know what the endgame regarding similar Niches is. It seems even the Tribunal doesn't care too much if Narrators have to 'duke it out' for content. I know I'm preparing for a 'fight' with at least one of my Niches
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Michael ·
Okay, cool. It looks as though it's a Youtube replica. Users can broadcast as well as just upload videos. https://bit.tube
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Michael ·
I'm not sure what the difference between "Shopping" and "Shopping Haul" would be. Shopping: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/shopping Shopping Haul: https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10041739938077770 Hard to say, but if niches are very similar like this, their owners might end up fighting later on as to who has the valid space, it also might end up confusing members as to which niche to post in. Technically, they're different, but really they're not. My thought is, why have a niche for...
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Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Hello, @MOLLY O recently posted an excellent blog post regarding how to suggest viable niches. A quote from this article: I recently submitted an appeal to the Tribunal regarding this niche: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/shopping The description of the niche is clearly mismatched: "all article related to shopping online" The problem exhibited by the description mismatch for the Shopping niche is exactly the type of problem warned against in Molly's article, and yet...
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks Brian - that does help me understand your process. You did leave out one of the rejection criteria that is available to voters: "The niche name/description is unclear/incorrect." This is grounds for rejection, and it describes the current issue very well. I'd like to make a recommendation. I agree whole-heartedly that rejecting the niche is not optimal. But I feel equally strongly that leaving it in its current state is undesirable. More so than rejecting the niche. After all, if...
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Brian Lenz ·
Hi @Malkazoid , I can see where you're coming from here. I think this is a matter of standards vs. best practices. The Tribunal (and community!) really should only be rejecting niches based on the criteria set by the system: unique, no profanity, no misspellings, English, and complies with the TOS. I don't see imperfection (or lack of perfect consistency) as a standard that must be upheld. There is gray area and margin for error. Some niche descriptions are sub-optimal and may not follow...
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Malkazoid ·
Exactly - and there is something inherently wrong with a niche going through a Tribunal appeal, diverting their attention from other things... and yet STILL coming out the other side flawed in such a blatant way. I really think the Tribunal needs to make these tweaks while they are at it. It is bad for Narrative for sloppy niches to remain, and it is a very bad look for the project to observe the sloppiness and do nothing about it.
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Bryan ·
Not abiding by standards should be grounds for rejection for this reason... people with poorly written and/or unclear Niche descriptions MAY argue later that another Niche is violating their airspace. Hey, no fair. That's what I MEANT to say... It's a problem. Especially when the voting public is full of un-educated, or non-credentialed, voters (no offense intended).
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Gord ·
Sounds like a good platform to campaign on for the next Tribunal election
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Michael ·
Talent acquisition phrase is used in two Niches. As someone that hires others on Upwork on a contract-basis, these two terms are interchangeable. Any thoughts?
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Malkazoid ·
Yes - I agree they are interchangeable. Worse still: there was a recruiting niche approved before either of these cropped up. https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/recruiting So please downvote the Talent Acquisition niche if you agree they are redundant. https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/talent-acquisition Technically, the Recruitment Process Outsourcing niche could be considered unique because the niche name makes clear its focus is specific to outsourced recruitment - that's my take.
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Michael ·
Done. Yeah, I think Narrative will have to incentivize people to go through these. I'm a pretty busy father, and don't *usually* have the ability to spend half an hour searching through previous Niches or their synonyms. Thanks for your attention to detail, @Malkazoid .
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MOLLY O ·
@Micheal - things will be easier with the beta launch. The matching will be better, etc. For now, if you notice something , please keep posting here and also in the comments as you vote. We appreciate your time and effort. All of these actions in alpha are helping with beta.
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Malkazoid ·
This niche is redundant, please downvote if you agree: Residencial security https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10464048075999237 There is already a Home Security niche , and it even shows up in the automated niche search box, so no excuses.
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Malkazoid ·
I agree! I'm hoping we'll see that as one of the features of the new version of the alpha launching next month, or as one of the early upgrades they will roll out between that and Beta launch. We're working to a deadline on a film edit here, so I only duck in to Narrative when I can steal a few minutes away! I'd do more if I could...
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Malkazoid ·
This niche appears to be redundant - downvote if you agree: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/very-serial-things There is already a Series niche, about TV series, which is the main focus of this proposed niche.
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Malkazoid ·
The following German Shepherd niche is really problematic, downvote if you agree: https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10464048079638319 Reading just the niche name, you would immediately assume this is a niche for posting all sorts of material about German shepherds. Instead, when you read the description, you discover it is for a printing service that wants to help you print German shepherds onto merchandising. Description "Print German Shepherd photos on T-Shirts , Mugs , Pillow , Mobile...
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Leductrong ·
Good
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Bryan ·
Voted with comments.
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Michael ·
Voted as misleading title.
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Malkazoid ·
Mispelled niche name - should be down-voted. "Ocuult News" https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10605085445454960
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Erik Blair ·
Please vote down "Van Life" which is a redundant niche: --> https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/van-life The current VanLife niche is already active: --> https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/vanlife The "Van Life" niche already exists. Having two niches dilutes the concept of a niche. Having "VanLife" and "Van Life" as two separate niches devalues the original niche, and the second niche as well. If Narrative is to call these topic areas, "niches" and gives them value, we cannot allow...
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MOLLY O ·
@Erik Blair This is a clear duplicate. If it does pass, it can be appealed. I will keep a watch out on it.
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Erik Blair ·
@MOLLY O I thought so! Thank you very much!!
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Emily Barnett ·
On suggestion I am reposting here. Hi Folks, Lots of people are voting for Vintage Glamour but as the existing owner of Vintage Style I see this as way too redundant. The suggestion is trying to be a broad Vintage catch-all, for which i already own. case in point: the dictionary term for Style: . a distinctive appearance, typically determined by the principles according to which something is designed. "the pillars are no exception to the general style" a particular design of clothing.
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks for raising the issue of poor descriptions again Bryan. I feel like this has not been clearly addressed by the @Narrative Network Team . My sense from Tribunal votes is that niches with seemingly viable names, but imperfect descriptions, seem to get approved by the tribunal? Which in turn forces me to vote in a similar fashion, because I don't want the rep penalty for voting out of step with how the Tribunal will finally vote - even though I suspect it would be better for us to reject...
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Bryan ·
I guess I don't care if I'm out of step with the Tribunal. I was drawn to this project because I believed that quality content was an integral aspect of building the new content economy. It's hard to criticize people for submitting definition Niches when the @Ted is doing it too. Come on, Ted! I agree @Malkazoid that we're rewarding/creating bad behaviors. It's just easier to approve things and let Time sort it out. I could just approve all Niche submissions. Knowing that the bad ones will...
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Bryan ·
Please read Niche titles and descriptions carefully. If a Niche is poorly written and gets approved... it's "approval" is a testimony to the efficacy and quality of (to borrow @Ted 's language) "The Wisdom of This Crowd." And, there are some Niches getting upvoted that should not. Here are a few from my perusing of the ballots this morning. I try and always leave a comment when I vote no in order to help clarify the thinking behind my vote. Beta Testing...
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Malkazoid ·
So in the case of the San Francisco niche - I'm torn. Specifying what San Francisco is may in fact be enough for most people, since it is kind of assumed the niche is destined to receive anything relating to the city. Then again, since the extra clarity coming from a more explicit description can't hurt and in other instances, is really desirable - I think I'm still in favour of seeking more specificity across the board rather then defining complex exceptions to a rule. Some niches simply...
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Bryan ·
Another Niche falling into the Dictionary Trap . https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/13279573545214159 If I submitted " the " as a Niche... and " described " it as: Would this fly? Should this fly? It just takes a couple extra seconds to present a point of view on the type of content that could be submitted to a Niche. And then, that point of view should be written using complete sentences.
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Malkazoid ·
https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/12294394685581581 Misspelled name here... Papua New Guinea is the correct spelling. Please downvote to avoid this going to the tribunal.
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Ted ·
As I said in the white paper: Of course a definition is acceptable for niche title. A niche is just a unique subject, so the point of the description is to DEFINE/CLARIFY what the title is. So, yes, I am guilty of using definitions in descriptions because that is the purpose of a description-- to define and bring clarity to what the niche represents. I also want to be clear about something else. Niches are not "communities". So a description that says something like, " a place for mom's to...
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Bryan ·
Is requiring definitions/descriptions part of the problem then? What ends up happening in voting claims/arguments is really more about the converging/diverging of semantics (see: games, gaming, video games!) than arguing over title word choice—though they are both problematic. This is further complicated by the notion of someone being able to "own" these Niches. My vision for gaming might be different than yours. "I would run my hotdog stand much different than you'd run yours..." To use...
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Bryan ·
I agree descriptions are important. I believe a description goes beyond a definition. One taps the aesthetic perspective, the other taps a clinical one. Define your spouse. Describe your spouse. These should be very different responses. So, to answer your question, the "logic" I am using may not be logical by definition, but there is a method to my madness. I am design-focused, rooted in delivering aesthetic experiences. I believe people are more likely to be inspired, moved by, aesthetics...
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Ted ·
We have not disclosed the reputation formula, so I would not make too many assumptions about the importance of one thing versus another. I think this is a bit much. Are niche descriptions really an unstable flaw? I think we are beating a dead horse at this point, but I want to make sure you understand that your opinions and feedback are welcome. That does not mean that we are always going to be in agreement, of course, but different perspectives are always welcome.
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Bryan ·
The Niche system is cool, but it's not perfect. This is a new content economy. The model is new. It has flaws. The longer that flaws (even if they are flaws of understanding and not execution) persist, the taller the building becomes with unstable bits in its foundation. As a Founder, and a very interested and vest member of this community, I am trying to provoke/test some of the weaknesses of the system to make it better... not tear it down. It is troubling that my reputation (the more I've...
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Ted ·
Descriptions are very important because a title alone can be ambiguous and by itself may even have more than meaning (many words do). I'm really not following your logic here, @Bryan . A definition is the perfect way to clarify the meaning of niche. What else is there? A community may certainly develop around a niche, in that it has its own unique set of followers, but the niche itself is just a subject. That is the distinction. And the content posted to that niche is the important part. The...
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Michael ·
I completely agree, based on my interactions with the platform. It should be up to the developers to first accept that they have a problem with their voting mechanism, and that it would be a mess (to say the least), if this project were to scale to even double the size, with Niches being populated. (10K users) Nobody on this platform should be voting on Niches if their reputation is negatively effected. That's not a practice that will scale. This is quite obvious. These things can be fixed,...
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