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Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
Redundancy anyone? As you all probably know - Narrative niches need to be unique, clear, correctly spelled, and to not violate the Terms of Service . To coordinate down-voting of redundant or invalid niches, rather than creating dozens of threads, we can alert the community here in one place. Bookmark the thread for easy access, and follow the thread to be alerted via email when there are new posts. Remember - voting to validate or invalidate niches under review, builds your Narrative...
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Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Hello, @MOLLY O recently posted an excellent blog post regarding how to suggest viable niches. A quote from this article: I recently submitted an appeal to the Tribunal regarding this niche: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/shopping The description of the niche is clearly mismatched: "all article related to shopping online" The problem exhibited by the description mismatch for the Shopping niche is exactly the type of problem warned against in Molly's article, and yet...
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Niche quality control

Malkazoid ·
Quick note about niche approvals in general. It may be that the prerogative was initially to get as many approved niches as fast as possible. I certainly get that impression with niches that the Tribunal is approving in appeals, and the way Team members are voting. I think it would be healthy to strongly question this prerogative. We now have 2128 approved niches. These were achieved from a user base of less than 6000 members. Niches are still being suggested at a steady rate. I don't think...
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Brian Lenz ·
Hi @Malkazoid , I can see where you're coming from here. I think this is a matter of standards vs. best practices. The Tribunal (and community!) really should only be rejecting niches based on the criteria set by the system: unique, no profanity, no misspellings, English, and complies with the TOS. I don't see imperfection (or lack of perfect consistency) as a standard that must be upheld. There is gray area and margin for error. Some niche descriptions are sub-optimal and may not follow...
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks Brian - that does help me understand your process. You did leave out one of the rejection criteria that is available to voters: "The niche name/description is unclear/incorrect." This is grounds for rejection, and it describes the current issue very well. I'd like to make a recommendation. I agree whole-heartedly that rejecting the niche is not optimal. But I feel equally strongly that leaving it in its current state is undesirable. More so than rejecting the niche. After all, if...
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Bryan ·
Not abiding by standards should be grounds for rejection for this reason... people with poorly written and/or unclear Niche descriptions MAY argue later that another Niche is violating their airspace. Hey, no fair. That's what I MEANT to say... It's a problem. Especially when the voting public is full of un-educated, or non-credentialed, voters (no offense intended).
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Exactly - and there is something inherently wrong with a niche going through a Tribunal appeal, diverting their attention from other things... and yet STILL coming out the other side flawed in such a blatant way. I really think the Tribunal needs to make these tweaks while they are at it. It is bad for Narrative for sloppy niches to remain, and it is a very bad look for the project to observe the sloppiness and do nothing about it.
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Gord ·
Sounds like a good platform to campaign on for the next Tribunal election
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Bryan ·
Please read Niche titles and descriptions carefully. If a Niche is poorly written and gets approved... it's "approval" is a testimony to the efficacy and quality of (to borrow @Ted 's language) "The Wisdom of This Crowd." And, there are some Niches getting upvoted that should not. Here are a few from my perusing of the ballots this morning. I try and always leave a comment when I vote no in order to help clarify the thinking behind my vote. Beta Testing...
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks for raising the issue of poor descriptions again Bryan. I feel like this has not been clearly addressed by the @Narrative Network Team . My sense from Tribunal votes is that niches with seemingly viable names, but imperfect descriptions, seem to get approved by the tribunal? Which in turn forces me to vote in a similar fashion, because I don't want the rep penalty for voting out of step with how the Tribunal will finally vote - even though I suspect it would be better for us to reject...
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Bryan ·
Another Niche falling into the Dictionary Trap . https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/13279573545214159 If I submitted " the " as a Niche... and " described " it as: Would this fly? Should this fly? It just takes a couple extra seconds to present a point of view on the type of content that could be submitted to a Niche. And then, that point of view should be written using complete sentences.
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Bryan ·
I guess I don't care if I'm out of step with the Tribunal. I was drawn to this project because I believed that quality content was an integral aspect of building the new content economy. It's hard to criticize people for submitting definition Niches when the @Ted is doing it too. Come on, Ted! I agree @Malkazoid that we're rewarding/creating bad behaviors. It's just easier to approve things and let Time sort it out. I could just approve all Niche submissions. Knowing that the bad ones will...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
So in the case of the San Francisco niche - I'm torn. Specifying what San Francisco is may in fact be enough for most people, since it is kind of assumed the niche is destined to receive anything relating to the city. Then again, since the extra clarity coming from a more explicit description can't hurt and in other instances, is really desirable - I think I'm still in favour of seeking more specificity across the board rather then defining complex exceptions to a rule. Some niches simply...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/12294394685581581 Misspelled name here... Papua New Guinea is the correct spelling. Please downvote to avoid this going to the tribunal.
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Ted ·
As I said in the white paper: Of course a definition is acceptable for niche title. A niche is just a unique subject, so the point of the description is to DEFINE/CLARIFY what the title is. So, yes, I am guilty of using definitions in descriptions because that is the purpose of a description-- to define and bring clarity to what the niche represents. I also want to be clear about something else. Niches are not "communities". So a description that says something like, " a place for mom's to...
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Bryan ·
Is requiring definitions/descriptions part of the problem then? What ends up happening in voting claims/arguments is really more about the converging/diverging of semantics (see: games, gaming, video games!) than arguing over title word choice—though they are both problematic. This is further complicated by the notion of someone being able to "own" these Niches. My vision for gaming might be different than yours. "I would run my hotdog stand much different than you'd run yours..." To use...
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Ted ·
Descriptions are very important because a title alone can be ambiguous and by itself may even have more than meaning (many words do). I'm really not following your logic here, @Bryan . A definition is the perfect way to clarify the meaning of niche. What else is there? A community may certainly develop around a niche, in that it has its own unique set of followers, but the niche itself is just a subject. That is the distinction. And the content posted to that niche is the important part. The...
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Bryan ·
The Niche system is cool, but it's not perfect. This is a new content economy. The model is new. It has flaws. The longer that flaws (even if they are flaws of understanding and not execution) persist, the taller the building becomes with unstable bits in its foundation. As a Founder, and a very interested and vest member of this community, I am trying to provoke/test some of the weaknesses of the system to make it better... not tear it down. It is troubling that my reputation (the more I've...
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Malkazoid ·
Correct me if I am wrong, but what I understand from @Bryan 's posting on this matter is that merely defining the word(s) of a niche name can actually be confusing. 'Celebration' is a good example of that. The description takes the dictionary approach. Ok great. Except, everyone already knows what a celebration is. What we really want to know is what type of content belongs there - we might not be inclined to do the thinking on this ourselves, or perhaps not with sufficient confidence.
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
I agree with this, and I think the solution is for the Team to fairly rapidly start homing in on more specific guidelines for what a good niche name and description is. Or rather, to enforce them and make not following them cause for rejection. Molly wrote a great Medium blog post with such guidelines, but they are not enforced. That's where the problem arises. On the one hand we're rewarding people for suggesting niches that get approved even if they don't follow the quality guidelines. On...
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Ted ·
We have not disclosed the reputation formula, so I would not make too many assumptions about the importance of one thing versus another. I think this is a bit much. Are niche descriptions really an unstable flaw? I think we are beating a dead horse at this point, but I want to make sure you understand that your opinions and feedback are welcome. That does not mean that we are always going to be in agreement, of course, but different perspectives are always welcome.
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Bryan ·
I agree descriptions are important. I believe a description goes beyond a definition. One taps the aesthetic perspective, the other taps a clinical one. Define your spouse. Describe your spouse. These should be very different responses. So, to answer your question, the "logic" I am using may not be logical by definition, but there is a method to my madness. I am design-focused, rooted in delivering aesthetic experiences. I believe people are more likely to be inspired, moved by, aesthetics...
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Bryan ·
Sorry, what else can you do with a dead horse but beat it!? "Flaw" may be the wrong word... but, I believe it can be improved. Already it (the voting process) has been improved quite a bit from the first attempt. I'm just saying I don't think we've arrived yet. I appreciate that you're taking some time to discuss. It's difficult to raise objections in a text-only medium where my genuine concern for the success of the project carried by the "tone" of my voice gets reduced to glyphs on a...
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Michael ·
I completely agree, based on my interactions with the platform. It should be up to the developers to first accept that they have a problem with their voting mechanism, and that it would be a mess (to say the least), if this project were to scale to even double the size, with Niches being populated. (10K users) Nobody on this platform should be voting on Niches if their reputation is negatively effected. That's not a practice that will scale. This is quite obvious. These things can be fixed,...
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Bryan ·
Redundant. https://alpha.narrative.org/n/travelogue
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Malkazoid ·
Good catch Bryan. The suggester of the niche made a good defence in the comments, but I'm afraid for me this niche does remain redundant. I don't see the notion of passion for travel, or the aspiration for the niche to be a 'club' as distinctive enough from the existing Travel niche because the name 'Travelogue' does not embody those distinctions. Call it "The Passionate Traveller: People who live for travel and experiencing new places and cultures. We are not your average holiday-makers or...
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Malkazoid ·
@Erik Blair , @Michael - are you on Telegram? I'd like to be able to message you as you both seem committed to supporting Narrative's community development.
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Erik Blair ·
I'm not on telegram, but I got this message... I rarely use messaging apps. How about FB messenger? or here? Is there a Private Messenger feature here? I'm ok with keeping in contact.
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Michael ·
No, I don't use Telegram. I'm a big fan of keeping my community involvement out in the open, along with any interactions. The ICO industry has matured away from the 'telegram phase' and more into a business where development needs to be transparent and open for all to see. After all, an ICO is a community-owned business venture. If a community or team has issues to address, it needs to be seen by everyone. Anyone is free to reach out to me on this platform.
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Malkazoid ·
No worries Michael. I understand your preference, although I don't think it can be generalised to a rule for ICOs in general... and I don't even see us as part of the ICO industry. Instead I see us as a community, and I think there will always be a use-case and a need for private communication in any human community: not sure why this one would be an exception.
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Emily Barnett ·
Actually @Ted A Niche is exactly "a place" by definition and the word does not mean a subject, no matter what you write in your white paper. The word itself, by definition implies community far more than it implies a subject. Please see the definition of "niche" inserted below. So yes, a description that says something like, " a place for mom's to hang out," is actually a technically Correct description. And a description of a subject, is technically incorrect, no matter what your white...
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Malkazoid ·
The latest niche suffering from Dictionary Definition syndrome: ----------------------------- https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/14124068787930351 Population Description: The volume of people living within a set area of land. ----------------------------- As Dylan (the first person to comment on the suggested niche) expressed perfectly: "What exactly is this niche going to include posts about? Population statistics, trends perhaps? It just seems you've defined a noun. Apologies for my...
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Gord ·
I think they should just turn suggestions off at this point. At least until beta launch, preferably until the reputation system is implemented. There are plenty Niches available for sale now, but that pool is being diluted while the few active members are becoming frustrated.
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Malkazoid ·
I'm curious what everyone makes of this one: https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/13701841665512174 Ulogs Reproducing here the comment I left on the proposed niche page: Thoughts? I have not voted yet.
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Emily Barnett ·
This is redundant and poorly written in my opinion. https://alpha.narrative.org/n/women-s-only
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Malkazoid ·
This one was amusing: https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/14546320797512484 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cryptocurrency market and exchange Description: "Very unique niche to adop by all crypto lovers!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Despite the description's claims, this niche is not unique at all. It is redundant, as there is already an approved niche: Cryptocurrency...
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Malkazoid ·
Coding https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/16516727526616956 This niche appears redundant. Programming niche has already been approved.
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Bryan ·
re: https://alpha.narrative.org/n/inspirational-center @MOLLY O you mentioned in a comment on Inspirational Center that: Can you help me understand the value of evaluating Niche submissions against a set of criteria if we are also supposed maintain the assumption that problematic Niches can be edited post-vote? There are many who spend a lot of time evaluating Niches, checking for redundancies across the spectrum of abbreviations, alternate wordings, etc. Am we/they wasting time? It seems a...
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MOLLY O ·
@Bryan . My point about editing is that folks were saying that description was in all Caps…that is an easy fix if the Niche is purchased. Of course, all edits will need to go through the tribunal to make sure that the meaning isn't changed. Regarding the friendly reminder that anyone can post to this via the moderator. My point there to address part of the description saying that "invite others"- and less about moderators. Just wanted to remind folks that these are Niches and not personal...
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Malkazoid ·
Question for @MOLLY O on this one: https://alpha.narrative.org/n/inspirational-center The description is fatally flawed, but you gave some guidance with your YES vote, and your comment that descriptions can be changed. My question is: will it be changed? Do we have a robust and efficient mechanism in place that will make sure that niches approved with broken descriptions will all require description changes? Unless a capable crew does the changes, we could be in for a lot of back and...
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MOLLY O ·
@Malkazoid, you are correct. I reread this Niche and the second part of that first line description is off and not very good. The Niche itself has great promise, but as described - falls short of our mark. I am going to change my vote. To be frank, most of my response was because I saw some other issues i wanted to point out that I noticed - voting no just for all caps. That said, there are some other issues - as you state. Truth is, we have a bit of a learning curve when we have new people...
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Teddy ·
I am sorry that I created so much confusion with my niche, but I was not able to correct anything. It was a beginner's mistake. Yes, this niche is designed to be a pool of inspiration to all users and not my personal journal. English is not my native language. I tried to write something personal, so everyone can have the feeling that he part of this story.
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Malkazoid ·
Don't even worry about it @Teddy - all of this is a learning curve for each and every one of us, and it will all lead to a quality network! The co-created nature of niches is part of what makes them so exciting to me and I'm looking forward to that process becoming more and more communal, so that we end up helping each other to make each niche all that it can be. Please keep the niche suggestions coming. It is our mistakes that make possible, and define our successes, right?
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Teddy ·
Thank you, for your kind words. If you check the last niches I suggested, they are getting better ... :-) right?
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Malkazoid ·
YES! My twin favourites so far are: Thanksgiving Corrective Medicine
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Malkazoid ·
@Teddy - here is a suggestion for the description of that niche, and this is me trying to stay as true to your vision as possible: "Have you ever been strongly inspired by a person, thing, event, or perhaps a piece of art or music? Tell that story here and watch the inspiration spread!"
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Teddy ·
Woow! Perfect. Can you replace?
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Malkazoid ·
Hi - I can't replace it: I'm not Narrative staff. But I think there might be a way for you to replace it: @David Dreezer should be able to tell you how it works. I'm glad it helped!
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Teddy ·
@ MALKAZOID Can you help me with my niches? I really need your support. https://alpha.narrative.org/n/your-story I want to change to: Tell your story! Here I need an inspiring text, to encourage people to tell their life's story. "Everyone has a story to tell. Your story can make an impact on many lives." Something like this! Sorry, if I am asking too much from you.
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Teddy ·
Sorry! I understand :-)
 
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