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Niche quality control

Malkazoid ·
Quick note about niche approvals in general. It may be that the prerogative was initially to get as many approved niches as fast as possible. I certainly get that impression with niches that the Tribunal is approving in appeals, and the way Team members are voting. I think it would be healthy to strongly question this prerogative. We now have 2128 approved niches. These were achieved from a user base of less than 6000 members. Niches are still being suggested at a steady rate. I don't think...
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Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Hello, @MOLLY O recently posted an excellent blog post regarding how to suggest viable niches. A quote from this article: I recently submitted an appeal to the Tribunal regarding this niche: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/shopping The description of the niche is clearly mismatched: "all article related to shopping online" The problem exhibited by the description mismatch for the Shopping niche is exactly the type of problem warned against in Molly's article, and yet...
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Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
Redundancy anyone? As you all probably know - Narrative niches need to be unique, clear, correctly spelled, and to not violate the Terms of Service . To coordinate down-voting of redundant or invalid niches, rather than creating dozens of threads, we can alert the community here in one place. Bookmark the thread for easy access, and follow the thread to be alerted via email when there are new posts. Remember - voting to validate or invalidate niches under review, builds your Narrative...
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Brian Lenz ·
Hi @Malkazoid , I can see where you're coming from here. I think this is a matter of standards vs. best practices. The Tribunal (and community!) really should only be rejecting niches based on the criteria set by the system: unique, no profanity, no misspellings, English, and complies with the TOS. I don't see imperfection (or lack of perfect consistency) as a standard that must be upheld. There is gray area and margin for error. Some niche descriptions are sub-optimal and may not follow...
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Thanks Brian - that does help me understand your process. You did leave out one of the rejection criteria that is available to voters: "The niche name/description is unclear/incorrect." This is grounds for rejection, and it describes the current issue very well. I'd like to make a recommendation. I agree whole-heartedly that rejecting the niche is not optimal. But I feel equally strongly that leaving it in its current state is undesirable. More so than rejecting the niche. After all, if...
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Bryan ·
Not abiding by standards should be grounds for rejection for this reason... people with poorly written and/or unclear Niche descriptions MAY argue later that another Niche is violating their airspace. Hey, no fair. That's what I MEANT to say... It's a problem. Especially when the voting public is full of un-educated, or non-credentialed, voters (no offense intended).
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Re: Shopping vs online shopping - a Tribunal appeal question

Malkazoid ·
Exactly - and there is something inherently wrong with a niche going through a Tribunal appeal, diverting their attention from other things... and yet STILL coming out the other side flawed in such a blatant way. I really think the Tribunal needs to make these tweaks while they are at it. It is bad for Narrative for sloppy niches to remain, and it is a very bad look for the project to observe the sloppiness and do nothing about it.
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Gord ·
Sounds like a good platform to campaign on for the next Tribunal election
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Re: Niche quality control

Malkazoid ·
Quick updated thoughts on niche quality control. Here is the state of play of the upvoting/downvoting. Niches in approval process: 72 Niches that look like they will be rejected: 6 Projected rejection percentage: 8.33% That seems really good to me: we're getting over 90% success rate with niches proposed at this point in time, and that's with people being quite strict (and appropriately so in my view) in terms of standards. I think a few things are going on that have contributed to this...
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Re: Niche quality control

Erik Blair ·
I think this is related to "niche quality control". If it's important to have niche quality, depth and value, why is it not important to have that same uniqueness for Publications. It appears, at least to this neophyte, that Publications will compete with Niches for traffic. Example, if I have a niche called, "fried chicken" then my channel will be: narrative.org/n/fried-chicken If I buy a publication for $99, and call it, "fried chicken", then the publication owner can have more control of...
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Christina Gleason ·
@Erik Blair I think that the important different between niches and publications is the exclusivity. The Fried Chicken Publication has more editorial control, which theoretically means better quality content...but to the exclusion of the content they DON'T publish, whereas the Fried Chicken Niche gets anything and everything fried chicken-related, giving content creators and content consumers a wider variety of options. Additionally, as I understand it, publication owners can gatekeep...
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Emily Barnett ·
From what I understand about publications @Erik Blair is they are two different beasts all together. Niches partake in the rewards pool, Publications do not. So yes Niches have their uphill battles, but so does Publications. Publications based on their own economic system within Narrative will have to maintain the strictest forms of quality if they want to survive, let alone thrive. The only money Publications make, is 90% of the membership fees people agree to pay the publication, because...
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Erik Blair ·
It seems to me that Publications could potentially become significant topic competitors to Niches. And why call them "niches" if you don't actually have a niche because someone else has one too.
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Emily Barnett ·
I don't see how they compete. If someone wants to pay a publication 5 dollars per month of their own money, for the opportunity to read their privately published information how is that stopping the actual paid subscriber form still voting over at all the free content on the Fried Chicken niche. There will be so many more people that prefer to read the free content on the niche. Those people will vote and the rewards pool will be divided up just like normal. They are separate. Publications...
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Re: Niche quality control

Robert Nicholson ·
When you vote to reject a niche, you are asked to choose one of five reasons. The impression this gives is that those are the only valid reasons for rejecting a niche. If that's not the case, then this needs to be clearly articulated in the interface.
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Emily Barnett ·
I believe that they are technically the only reasons for voting down a niche. of course people are going to be people and defy those rules, and vote down niches that are not redundant, or pick other reasons such as the person uses the word "I" in the description, or even vote up a niche even though it is redundant, all as examples. That is why we have the tribunal. But i agree with you, it would be better if it was clearly stated that those are the justified parameters for rejecting a niche.
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Malkazoid ·
I think that is the intent - for those to be the only valid reasons. But like @Emily Barnett mentioned, a lot can fit under those five reasons. Especially the last one about name/description being unclear or incorrect.
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Christina Gleason ·
I think that unclear/incorrect description is where most of our disagreements come from when voting on niche suggestions. It is much more subjective than the others.
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
A couple of redundant niches to get us started - help avoid these going to the Tribunal for determination (which chews up energy the @Narrative Network Team could be using to build the platform)! The Gaming Corner niche is redundant: https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10182477413128240 The Gaming niche already exists ( https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/gaming ) The ICON niche is redundant: https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10323310571542334 The ICON - ICX niche already exists (...
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MOLLY O ·
@Malkazoid . Thanks for starting this thread. I have a handful of potential duplicates identified that have already been approved by the Community and being sent to the Tribunal. So, the earlier we recognize the duplicates the better. Also, beyond this thread (which will be very useful), remember to put comments in when voting. I think it really helps. People can agree or disagree with comments, but they are still helpful and will get voters thinking.
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Malkazoid ·
Ok, so don't hate on me. I like pandas. But the Panda niche has a problem. https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10464048070848469 The description says it is about the Giant Panda, but there are several types of pandas out there. So either the niche name needs to become Giant Panda, or the description needs to be changed to include all pandas. As it currently stands, the niche needs to be down voted. When the beta platform launches, how well presented the niches are will have a very direct...
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twitch.tv/billybonus ·
Great work Malkazoid for finding these issues!
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Malkazoid ·
https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10323310573468737 This niche is a mouthful: BITTUBE - MONETIZE YOUR CONTENT & FREDOM OF SPEECH & DECENTRALIZED MEDIA PLATFORM . Should we perhaps enforce a character limit for niche names, @Narrative Network Team ? The niche should really just be called Bittube, with the rest of the information placed in the description... For now though, there is a spelling mistake in the current name, so we should vote to disapprove of it in its current state.
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Michael ·
Agreed. Besides, 'The Video Vault' already exists, and that's the function this Niche would serve, albeit with a different name. These spelling mistakes and other simple fixes in names should be able to be changed without having to go through a week of waiting. Either way, duplicate by function.
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Malkazoid ·
Hello Michael Bittube appears to be a streaming platform but it is external to Narrative, and so should be allowed to have a niche dedicated to it. The Video Vault is a Narrative niche that I think hopes to be the home for videos people post to Narrative directly. I may be wrong, but I think that if the person who proposed Bittube makes a reasonable niche name, devoid of spelling mistakes - it should be acceptable.
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Michael ·
If it's an external website or platform, that's called a link. I'll have to let @Ted or @MOLLY O respond to this one, because if Narrative wanted external links, they'd probably just use Google. If we don't know what it is, needless to say, it will need to be specified.
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MOLLY O ·
Agree with you @Malkazoid . I voted down for misspelling. @Michael This would be a valid niche assuming it is not just a link. Assuming this niche is to be about posting content related to that platform.
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Re: Redundant/invalid niches - report them here

Malkazoid ·
Two redundant niches under consideration - one proposed 6 hours before the other. Intellectual Dark Web , proposed September 3, 2018 11:46 PM IDW , proposed September 4, 2018 5:31 AM It seems we should downvote the late-comer: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/idw
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Michael ·
I'm not sure what the difference between "Shopping" and "Shopping Haul" would be. Shopping: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/shopping Shopping Haul: https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10041739938077770 Hard to say, but if niches are very similar like this, their owners might end up fighting later on as to who has the valid space, it also might end up confusing members as to which niche to post in. Technically, they're different, but really they're not. My thought is, why have a niche for...
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Michael ·
Okay, cool. It looks as though it's a Youtube replica. Users can broadcast as well as just upload videos. https://bit.tube
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Gord ·
Yeah @Michael , I don't know what the endgame regarding similar Niches is. It seems even the Tribunal doesn't care too much if Narrators have to 'duke it out' for content. I know I'm preparing for a 'fight' with at least one of my Niches
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Malkazoid ·
Good questions! Niche creep may well be a thing, and it is difficult to predict how many resources will need to be devoted to keeping it in check. Before reading the full length of your post, I was of a mind that the niches are both valid and can coexist, because I saw the distinction that you mention: that Shopping seems to be all about shopping, and Shopping Haul seems to be specifically about sharing what got bought on the last shopping trip. (Neither are very interesting to me so I have...
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Michael ·
Talent acquisition phrase is used in two Niches. As someone that hires others on Upwork on a contract-basis, these two terms are interchangeable. Any thoughts?
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Malkazoid ·
Yes - I agree they are interchangeable. Worse still: there was a recruiting niche approved before either of these cropped up. https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/recruiting So please downvote the Talent Acquisition niche if you agree they are redundant. https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/talent-acquisition Technically, the Recruitment Process Outsourcing niche could be considered unique because the niche name makes clear its focus is specific to outsourced recruitment - that's my take.
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Malkazoid ·
This niche is redundant, please downvote if you agree: Residencial security https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10464048075999237 There is already a Home Security niche , and it even shows up in the automated niche search box, so no excuses.
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Michael ·
Done. Yeah, I think Narrative will have to incentivize people to go through these. I'm a pretty busy father, and don't *usually* have the ability to spend half an hour searching through previous Niches or their synonyms. Thanks for your attention to detail, @Malkazoid .
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MOLLY O ·
@Micheal - things will be easier with the beta launch. The matching will be better, etc. For now, if you notice something , please keep posting here and also in the comments as you vote. We appreciate your time and effort. All of these actions in alpha are helping with beta.
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Malkazoid ·
I agree! I'm hoping we'll see that as one of the features of the new version of the alpha launching next month, or as one of the early upgrades they will roll out between that and Beta launch. We're working to a deadline on a film edit here, so I only duck in to Narrative when I can steal a few minutes away! I'd do more if I could...
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Malkazoid ·
This niche appears to be redundant - downvote if you agree: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/very-serial-things There is already a Series niche, about TV series, which is the main focus of this proposed niche.
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Malkazoid ·
The following German Shepherd niche is really problematic, downvote if you agree: https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10464048079638319 Reading just the niche name, you would immediately assume this is a niche for posting all sorts of material about German shepherds. Instead, when you read the description, you discover it is for a printing service that wants to help you print German shepherds onto merchandising. Description "Print German Shepherd photos on T-Shirts , Mugs , Pillow , Mobile...
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Leductrong ·
Good
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Bryan ·
Voted with comments.
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Michael ·
Voted as misleading title.
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Malkazoid ·
Mispelled niche name - should be down-voted. "Ocuult News" https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10605085445454960
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Erik Blair ·
Please vote down "Van Life" which is a redundant niche: --> https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/van-life The current VanLife niche is already active: --> https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/vanlife The "Van Life" niche already exists. Having two niches dilutes the concept of a niche. Having "VanLife" and "Van Life" as two separate niches devalues the original niche, and the second niche as well. If Narrative is to call these topic areas, "niches" and gives them value, we cannot allow...
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MOLLY O ·
@Erik Blair This is a clear duplicate. If it does pass, it can be appealed. I will keep a watch out on it.
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Erik Blair ·
@MOLLY O I thought so! Thank you very much!!
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Emily Barnett ·
On suggestion I am reposting here. Hi Folks, Lots of people are voting for Vintage Glamour but as the existing owner of Vintage Style I see this as way too redundant. The suggestion is trying to be a broad Vintage catch-all, for which i already own. case in point: the dictionary term for Style: . a distinctive appearance, typically determined by the principles according to which something is designed. "the pillars are no exception to the general style" a particular design of clothing.
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Bryan ·
Please read Niche titles and descriptions carefully. If a Niche is poorly written and gets approved... it's "approval" is a testimony to the efficacy and quality of (to borrow @Ted 's language) "The Wisdom of This Crowd." And, there are some Niches getting upvoted that should not. Here are a few from my perusing of the ballots this morning. I try and always leave a comment when I vote no in order to help clarify the thinking behind my vote. Beta Testing...
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks for raising the issue of poor descriptions again Bryan. I feel like this has not been clearly addressed by the @Narrative Network Team . My sense from Tribunal votes is that niches with seemingly viable names, but imperfect descriptions, seem to get approved by the tribunal? Which in turn forces me to vote in a similar fashion, because I don't want the rep penalty for voting out of step with how the Tribunal will finally vote - even though I suspect it would be better for us to reject...
 
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