Tagged With "Conduct Negative"

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Add an Explicit Reason to a Person's Record When They Are Place On Conduct Negative Status

Garden Gnome Publications ·
When someone is placed on Conduct Negative, a specific reason for doing so should become a part of the person's record. Currently, the Conduct Negative notification box reads: When a comment is removed, their Activity feed reads: This is inadequate because there may be people who see the action but don't understand what precipitated the negative action. That could lead them to believe they are being persecuted for being a part of a certain group. An explicit statement explaining which part...
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Re: Add an Explicit Reason to a Person's Record When They Are Place On Conduct Negative Status

Christina Gleason ·
Good suggestion, @Garden Gnome Publications . I happen to have reported some AUP violation comments for more than one user who is currently conduct negative. I know exactly what they were penalized for, but others who didn't see the comments have no idea. If anyone is curious, I won't name names, but comments I reported as AUP violations that were acted on made people Conduct Negative for the following reasons, pulled straight from the AUP: No bullying/self-harm/threatening behavior or...
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Re: Add an Explicit Reason to a Person's Record When They Are Place On Conduct Negative Status

Malkazoid ·
Looks like you and I were thinking exactly the same thoughts at the same time @Garden Gnome Publications . https://community.narrative.or...31#17927351520211631 I'm glad you made a new suggestion for this. This way the Team doesn't have to go spelunking deep into the replies to a suggestion to surface important specifics!
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Re: Add an Explicit Reason to a Person's Record When They Are Place On Conduct Negative Status

Vico Biscotti ·
I already posted an overlapping and maybe more generic suggestion, @Garden Gnome Publications , here: https://community.narrative.or...31#17927351520211631 . Anyway, you add an important point, that about archiving the material removed. I also like the suggestion from @Malkazoid to replace the removed material with the reason for its removing, and not to make it disappear, as if nothing happened.
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Re: Add an Explicit Reason to a Person's Record When They Are Place On Conduct Negative Status

Christina Gleason ·
Bumping this up because I noticed someone was Conduct Negative who I wouldn't have expected to be Conduct Negative, and I don't know what their offense was other than worth a 5-day timeout. (And I wasn't the one to report anything, LOL!)
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Re: Add an Explicit Reason to a Person's Record When They Are Place On Conduct Negative Status

Rosemary ·
Thanks for helping us avoid "spelunking"! It's helpful to have suggestions in a neat little nugget like this for consideration. This type of enhancement might work as part of the AUP review queue system, since the reviewers will be choosing a specific violation from a list. (NO promises here, just a comment
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Re: Add an Explicit Reason to a Person's Record When They Are Place On Conduct Negative Status

David Dreezer ·
Crosslinking these suggestions as they are relative to each other: https://community.narrative.or...duct-negative-status Also, bear in mind that in the spec is the Review Queue, which once built, would make all of these complaints, activities, votes, and subsequent removals completely public.
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Re: Add an Explicit Reason to a Person's Record When They Are Place On Conduct Negative Status

Christina Gleason ·
But in the meantime... this would be helpful to institute now. Especially before any elections begin. 🙂
Issue

Cannot post comments because you are Conduct Negative

Malkazoid ·
Hello - Right now, people who are not logged in and are browsing niche approval pages, will see that message. Maybe better to tell them they need to be logged in to comment?
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Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Christina Gleason ·
I could have paid $86.25 for the niche that I won in an uncontested auction. But the price of NRVE skyrocketed before the auction even ended, and it never dropped below $100 fiat. So now I'm CONDUCT NEGATIVE. Just thought y'all should know what happens, since it didn't really affect any of us active members in the alpha period to any serious extent: Your Conduct Status is negative . The negative action that impacted your Conduct Status was: Failure To Pay For A Niche. What does this mean?
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Conduct Negative needs to be renamed/redefined

Christina Gleason ·
Happy to report that I'm no longer "conduct negative," but I believe that state is in dire need of renaming, as it has nothing to do with my conduct, and everything to do with the fact that Narrative raised the price after I agreed to buy the niche to the point where I couldn't afford it due to the way the price of NRVE fluctuated so dramatically. Considering the sort of bad conduct some bad actors on the site have been behaving, and how I conduct myself professionally, my inability to pay...
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Conduct Negative Question

Newen X ·
Hello! I just wanted to know if there's still no news about this, it's been exactly a month already since I got the 4 month penalty just for writing in Spanish, not to mention my reputation went down to 40. I'd like to return to the platform before that if possible, I hope that you come up with something...
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Conduct Negative penalty increases - how do they work?

Christina Gleason ·
I mentioned over in Malkazoid's On the Move thread that there is a bit of satisfaction in seeing a serial spammer unable to do anything on the platform for six months, and I remembered the explanation that the length of the penalty for each successive violation increases. I also remembered that I got my own 12-hour penalty during the alpha period before the fiat price for niche auctions got set to what the NRVE was worth at the time the bid was placed, because what should have been my $75...
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Vico Biscotti ·
I can't believe that as an active, willing, and honest member you've got a conduct status of zero. A well-known cheater allowed to stroll around and you blocked. I'm shocked.
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Slaz ·
And considering a troll has been running amok last weekend, who’s been able to do all these actions unrestrictedly, it’s insanity. Pure insanity. I hope the team can make an offer to undo your conduct status. At least before the team makes the proposed changes that locks niche prices at auction.
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Christina Gleason ·
My punishment is up in a few hours, but I just thought I'd demonstrate what exactly defines "bad conduct" and how it is penalized. Sure, I expected not to be able to place a new bid yet, but I didn't think it was going to stop me from being able to do ANYTHING on the site at all. The punishment doesn't exactly fit the crime here.
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Malkazoid ·
What a surreal situation. Sorry you went through that @Christina Gleason . Business hours in at Narrative Company start in just a few hours - hopefully we'll see swift action.
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Punitive measures tend to be less effective overall than positive reinforcement methods. I am turned off by the over-emphasis on punishing regular users who make an honest mistake or whose innocent actions don't meet with community approval. This is an example. And when I had a niche suggestion rejected, I couldn't suggest any more new niches for seven days. Just for having a not-so-good idea. Yet, as @Vico Biscotti says, a known troll is allowed to run amok and act as resident insurgent.
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Vico Biscotti ·
@Garden Gnome Publications , certainly the system needs heavy tuning. They're working on that for sure, even if I expected more protection since the beta and, as you said, the reputation should have already had a role. Anyway, I wish they do not rely too much on the "game balance". Incentives and disincentives work up to a point. When malicious subjects kicks in, enforcement may be the unique way. A black hat may not act as supposed, according "usual" interests. Maybe his/her interest is...
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Malkazoid ·
Good points @Vico Biscotti - and I think this is the area the team might find themselves fighting old tendencies to want rep algorithms to make everything work. Moderation is crucial, and the Narrative Company having the ability to step in and get rid of bad actors is too. And this will probably eventually lead to a discussion of human curation again. I know it is a bit of a side conversation to the one about trolls, but posts all about money are also somewhat problematic for the platform...
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , I agree. And you're pointing at the important "side-issue" of the marketing of narrative. I'm convinced algorithms can have a role, but not as they are. At present, my quality analysis is 25 and the father of the trolls has 38 (you 49, just 30% more). Makes no sense. But curation is important too. Maybe with publications, a door will open? Or they will conflict with niches? For now, an aspiring black hat can own niches. Having a safe and "clean" space is not just important for...
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Malkazoid ·
A case in point is the Narrative Community niche. Currently, the featured post is represented by a person fanning USD. No disrespect to @Rich S who is contributing good content and truly cares about the platform's success. But that post and that image have been front and centre for about a week, and if people go to the Narrative Community page and see that as the featured item, they will assume that's how the community chooses to represent itself. In reality, we made no choice on how to...
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Vico Biscotti ·
Not to mention that our beloved troll has commented on that article too, and is still there in plain sight...
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Colleen Ryer ·
Maybe some changes to the rating system? Since all of the content could be viewed as promotional, one way or another. It's kind of a matter of degree: 1 Content that promotes leaving the platform for selling purposes. Could have its own separate "promotional" feed or page(with an attractive and obvious button/banner/top post of course), so readers decide if they feel like shopping. 2 Content that keeps readers onsite is the main page or feed (links for citing sources, and right now there's...
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Colleen Ryer ·
This shouldn't happen to members of good standing like you @Christina Gleason and @Gosia Rokicka - but right at the moment, people with no standing are mucking up the niche buying process - and the penalties that shouldn't have happened to you guys are the same ones that could stop the turkeys in their tracks. I don't mean it shouldn't be changed, but right now, it might be better to leave it until the troll thing is fixed?
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Good points @Vico Biscotti and @Malkazoid . I agree that a certain degree of human moderation should be necessary. On Steemit, the best initiatives are the human-curated ones. There should be hard distinctions made between bad actors and malicious accounts. A bad actor can be trained. Sometimes people have good intentions, just don't understand the platform culture, or make mistakes that are not reversible. A malicious individual, however, can do a ton of damage intentionally by exploiting a...
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Christina Gleason ·
The problem for Gosia and me is the way the fiat price is calculated for winning bids, which is a separate issue from the heavy-handed penalty I got. If you maliciously bid on multiple niches and fail to pay for them, by all means, punish to the full extent of the "law." But clearly the system of penalties needs to be revisited because it isn't what anyone would consider reasonable. As such, I did open a ticket with a suggestion here: https://community.narrative.or...be-renamed-redefined
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Re: Well. I'm not allowed to participate for 12 hours because I couldn't afford to pay twice the fiat price for the niche auction I won.

Vico Biscotti ·
Not to say that you are penalized and you have to take it, while the malevolent one opens an additional account and plays again. As many times as he wants.
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Re: Conduct Negative Question

BloggerKrunal ·
If that post was your original content and not offending the audience then penalizing for 4 months just for posting in another language for the 1st time is quite high. I think just removing the post should be enough or penalizing upto only a week maybe? If I compared this with other spammers who are continuously spamming Narrative and still they haven't harshly penalized like this. (One or two are the exceptional cases.)
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Re: Conduct Negative Question

Newen X ·
Yes it was my original content, just a song of mine with a description and a picture of the art cover. But since it was in spanish it was downvoted by some people and I got that automatic penalty. I opened a post here and Narrative people told me there's nothing they could do about it since it's the "Beta" and mistakes can happen... I just wanted to know if there was any progress with it.
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Re: Conduct Negative Question

ForTheLoveOfBands ·
I 100% agree with this. 4 months suspension for writing in Spanish is way too harsh. Hope it will be resolved soon...
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Re: Conduct Negative Question

AtomCollectorRecord.com ·
Come on guys you know you can reverse this. Every time I see a platform take such draconian measures and resort to the "it's in the T&Cs" I cringe and it is a huge red flag. Why do so many tech startups make the same mistake of being overly zealous at exactly the time they should be bending over backwards to retain users? Do a good deed and reinstate him please.
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Re: Conduct Negative Question

Downward Spiral Mantra ·
Yes one simple mistake leading to a ban that massive is inconceivable, please let him back in !!!!
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Re: Conduct Negative Question

winkandwoo ·
I think it is time for a review of a very mild mistake
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Re: Cannot post comments because you are Conduct Negative

Patrick ·
I've added it to our list of issues. Thanks for letting us know @Malkazoid
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Re: Cannot post comments because you are Conduct Negative

David Dreezer ·
This issue has been fixed now.
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Re: Conduct Negative penalty increases - how do they work?

David Dreezer ·
They do ramp with each subsequent negative action a person does, the rate of that is not released yet. Also as described in the spec, each different negative action has a different severity scale, which also is not yet released. The exact formula that is used to determine how much time is left until a person's negative points are gone is posted to the spec however. https://spec.narrative.org/doc...t-negative-penalties So the question of "if I do something negative again how long will I be...
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Re: Conduct Negative penalty increases - how do they work?

Christina Gleason ·
That's a very helpful reply, @David Dreezer . Thank you for letting us know that not all offenses are treated equally. That does help explain why I got a 12-hour penalty for my offense while other first offenders had 24 hours or more!
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Re: Conduct Negative penalty increases - how do they work?

Christina Gleason ·
LOL, I just looked at the formula in the spec, and it looks like it would force me to remember calculus from high school! I don't even remember the names of all the Greek letters, let alone how they're used in math! (And I aced AP Calculus back in the day. It just didn't stick with me.)
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Re: Conduct Negative penalty increases - how do they work?

Teddy ·
@Christina Gleason Hi Christina! It is really hard to stay inactive for such a long time. In the meantime, I have posted on my twitter https://twitter.com/NarrativeModer8 a few good narrative articles just to stay alive :-) It is hard for me, sinceI never had any spammy intentions. I wanted to create and cultivate a good atmosphere here on narrative with valuable articles. But yes, it was my fault not to read the TOS. Thank you, that you haven't forgetten me :-) I really appreciate the...
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Re: Conduct Negative penalty increases - how do they work?

Garden Gnome Publications ·
My eyes glazed over when I read that. I didn't study calculus.
Issue

Unfair 4 months "Conduct Negative"

Newen X ·
Hello. Yesterday a post of mine was deleted due to supposedly "Conduct Negative". The only thing I did was write a post in spanish and I did not know that it was against the rules. I've been active in this platform since it started and I have never done something wrong. I think just fair warning would have been enough for me to know I should not post in spanish, and that's it. But lowering my reputation and putting me as conduct negative seems too extreme just for a language mistake. I beg...
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Re: Unfair 4 months "Conduct Negative"

Nrve ·
Agreed fully. These months long penalties are crazy.
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Re: Unfair 4 months "Conduct Negative"

David Dreezer ·
We have no way to change someone's reputation or conduct level, so unfortunately we can't change it for a single person. As we are in early beta it is fair for us to take a look at how the penalties are working. We can see that you've been a good Narrator to this point and mistakes happen. I can't promise anything more than "we'll look at the penalty process as a whole, and see if a system wide change needs to be made."
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Re: Unfair 4 months "Conduct Negative"

Robert Nicholson 2 ·
I strongly agree that Narrative penalties are extreme. In contrast, I've sometimes mistakenly broken rules on Facebook and YouTube. When I did: The offending content was removed I got a message telling me what "rules" I had broken, and informing me that if I continued the break the rules, my account could be blocked and deleted That's the RIGHT way to handle things.
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Re: Unfair 4 months "Conduct Negative"

Newen X ·
So you are telling me that because I used the wrong language now I won't be able to use the platform for 4 months and there's nothing you can do about it? That's just crazy, and I don't mean to offend you, I really like the platform, but this is something you should have previewed before these things happen.
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Re: Unfair 4 months "Conduct Negative"

David Dreezer ·
This is why we're in beta right now. To discover potential issues and examine them.
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Re: Unfair 4 months "Conduct Negative"

Newen X ·
I understand yes, it's just dissapointing, I was enjoying my time here, I guess i'll see you in 4 months then, hope you fix it
Issue

Writing Niche

Garden Gnome Publications ·
The Tribunal recently ruled that the BLOG Niche should be rejected , a win for all Narrators. However, there is still an issue with the Writing Niche , owned by the same Niche owner. I'm inclined to make a similar appeal, but the last time that happened, with the BLOG Niche, Tribunal members rejected the appeal to give the Niche owner time to make changes to the description. BUT, he didn't, which is what led to the second appeal. The problem now is, this Niche owner is Conduct Negative.
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Re: Writing Niche

Christina Gleason ·
I completely agree with you about the Writing niche being unacceptable in its current state. But I am also quite certain that the owner wouldn't make any recommended edits regardless of conduct status. The problem in THIS case is that, even if we appeal Writing and the Tribunal (rightfully) rejects it, the best name for its proper replacement is not available. It would be great if Narrative could automatically append "REJECTED" to the name of any rejected niche so the name becomes available...
 
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