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Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Emily Barnett ·
Hi, I see that we can no longer nominate ourselves, unless we are paying for certification. I am not going to jump to the conclusion that this means you cannot be a moderator unless you certify, because we do still need the Nominate a moderator put in place. I will say this though. This is going to impact the ability to get the best moderators, and in some cases even activate your niche. If an owner does not comply with the certification, and they do not have a moderator yet, then they...
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

David Dreezer ·
Hi, I've answered inline so that the answers appear in context.
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

James ·
To quote the Co-Founder and CTO: "We built Certification as a multi-purpose tool to accomplish a few goals: ... 2. Determine the user's age. The user's age is used to grant access to restricted/18+ content when the user is 18+ years old. ... For purposes of Moderator requirements, item #2 is the reason Certification is required. It's not at all about proving how good of a Moderator you might be..." It comes across that getting the best moderators may not be the most important thing,...
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Emily Barnett ·
I am not sure how I feel about it. Honestly I go both ways on the topic.
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Slaz ·
Same mixed feeling here. Not so much for the certification requirement but more so for users below 18 not being able to become moderators. If someone posts NSFW content in a niche where it isn't appropriate, any user browsing that niche could see it (unless niches get to approve tagged content first). An underage moderator with a lot of time may see and remove it quicker than an adult moderator who only gets to see and remove it after 5'o clock.
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Emily Barnett ·
@Slaz yes my main concern of mixed feelings is the +18 for moderators. One question I wouldn't mind clarification on is @David Dreezer Does content get published instantly - then a moderator makes sure the content is copasetic. or Does it go into cue, until the moderator has a chance to review to make sure it is copasetic, THEN it gets posted after it has been cleared. I am not a fan of the idea that moderators MUST certify to become moderators. I just think this is adding too many barriers...
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Malkazoid ·
Just chiming in on the part I think I can answer. Pretty sure content enters a queue, and only gets published once a moderator has reviewed it. I agree it isn't ideal that under 18 year olds will not be able to moderate. But I'm ok with certification for moderators being required. I don't think this will be a barrier for mass adoption. The platform will have a lot value beyond moderation, and those who want to moderate will generally accept there is a small hoop to jump through in order to...
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Christina Gleason ·
I can't imagine content not getting published until a moderator approves it if we can't elect moderators until the Beta goes live. The site will go live, but there will be no content for several days while elections take place? That's ridiculous.
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Gord ·
I believe the owners will moderate the contents of their Niches on Beta +1 until elections. Likely one of the reasons we can't push content to un-owned Niches.
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Malkazoid ·
Yes, that is one of the reasons. The Team would have to develop functionality for a General mod pool, of folks who act as floating mods, and get sent content from unowned niches to either approve or reject. We gave them the idea for this functionality a long time ago, so they must have made the decision to not pursue it at this time, considering their lack of response to it and lack of pronouncement on whether unowned niches will ever be able to receive content.
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

David Dreezer ·
@Christina Gleason and @Gord are correct. Niche owners will moderate until Moderation elections are able to be held. For the initial period of the beta, content will go live and if they deem it necessary owners/moderators will be remove a piece of content, though the mechanism for that might not be polished looking. It is during this period that moderation tools are being built. We can't hold back content from going live while those tools are being built as it is necessary to get the content...
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Malkazoid ·
Well I don't want to be discouraging, but yes, it isn't ideal. And it is surprising. The roadmap merely mentions that the moderation centre would be up and running in November but of course it didn't include any moderation tools. Moderation tools weren't mentioned explicitly anywhere in the road map. I'm pretty sure that in this vacuum of information, most of us were thinking there would be enough in place at Beta launch for the owner/default moderator to screen content before it goes live.
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Emily Barnett ·
@David Dreezer obviously you guys know, this needs to be a fast turn around to build the tools. You are right this isn't ideal. It is one thing to preemptively block a post from making money on a niche that it isn't properly associated with. It is another to remove it. Especially if it weirdly does start getting upvotes, and the owner has to now remove it. but i certainly understand the position the code team is in.
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Malkazoid ·
So do I - everyone knows what it feels like to have a deadline. But sometimes the best thing one can do is just push it back a bit. The Narrative team is lucky in that the deadline is self-imposed. There is no parent network breathing down their backs. The desire to release something half-baked is entirely self-inflicted. I say this with compassion: I've been there before, many times.
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Gord ·
I, too, am weary about the content of some of those 'top' Niches and what will happen at beta. Maybe the tribunal will have some sort of veto power until things are running smoothly?
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Boosting Certification/Reputation Points

Jayme Soulati ·
Good Morning and Good Day to this amazing and exciting platform! I'm so impressed with the boatload of content; congratulations to Narrative for its vision and the community for its prolific writings. Suggestion, and forgive me for wanting faster information without searching, can we get a link on the 'Congrats You're Certified' page or in the menu for my profile (?) on "How to Boost Reputation." As soon as I got certified and saw my score, I began searching for how to boost it. Thank you!
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Re: Boosting Certification/Reputation Points

Ted ·
Hi Jayme- Thanks for the suggestion. The best way to increase your reputation on Narrative is to post quality content and/or participate in other words. Anything you do to positively contribute will ultimately help raise your score over time. Spending time in the "HQ" periodically really helps, since this is a self-governing system. The more you help to assess new niches, or vote/rate in general, the better! Getting a really high score will take time. We want to make sure that anyone with a...
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Re: Boosting Certification/Reputation Points

Jayme Soulati ·
Got it, thank you!
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Re: Boosting Certification/Reputation Points

Ted ·
If you certify, you get 30 points instantly. It's all part of proving that you are a human being, which is a major part of reputation (we are trying to ensure that bots have no impact on Narrative). You also get 10 points for free just for staying out of trouble (Being Conduct Positive). Thus, most people who certify will be at 40 points pretty easily. If you click on your own profile, look for the Certification tab to see details about how your own reputation score is calculated.
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Re: Boosting Certification/Reputation Points

Jayme Soulati ·
Hi, Ted, another question/observation on reputation. I own 4 niches, have been reasonably active in alpha, and my rep is 43. My colleague just joined, owns nothing, has never commented or been active and his rep is 40. How does that work? He certifies and starts out at 40? Thanks for clarity on this.
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The need for other modes of verification

Onlinedollars ·
Presently, Narrative requires a user pays $15 for the verification process to commence so that such a member can be certified. The only mode of achieving this is payment with PayPal. However, PayPal payments had been used by most people here to get certified but there are people in locations where PayPal payments are not supported who intends to join the community. Such members of Narrative will lose the ability to get certified and also lose the opportunity of receiving the 30% reputation...
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The present reward system will kill Narrative

Onlinedollars ·
Actually, Narrative has shown that it is out to reward hardworking content creators as well as other Narrators that involve in other activities in the site. However, the present reward system will kill Narrative. Some might find it hard to agree with. Yes, Narrative has its specifications and what it is here to achieve but just like Lunyr which I am one of the contributors before the site lost its value even the token. If in this platform, Narrators can earn instant reward for their comments...
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Re: The present reward system will kill Narrative

Onlinedollars ·
Please, I need comments about this?
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Re: The present reward system will kill Narrative

David Dreezer ·
To be clear, you do not have to get Certified to clear your conduct negative status. You can wait it out if you want to do so. Certification is optional. If you're already Certified and you do something to cause you to become conduct negative then you have no choice but to wait.
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Re: The present reward system will kill Narrative

Onlinedollars ·
I have elapsed the given date yet was told as of the last time that I must be certified. That was not the message that was sent to me in the email.
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Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
It seems that the Narrative community is in deep trouble with illegal spam posts and something drastic needs to be done before it is too late. I think it is time to consider the simple step of making everyone certify who they are! This will put an absolute stop to the problems in my opinion. I think that eventually the membership will need certification anyway and now is the best time to put this in place before the damage is irreparable. The certification process is not that difficult and I...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
Perhaps we can even find a way to certify existing members who can't afford the certification price and establish the certification requirement for new members? I think this is the single most important step we can be taking right now.
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
ANTIMETICA I love your reply and I share many of your concerns and values or I wouldn't call myself anarchistbanjo! I also respect your choice. I feel that it's a damned if you do and damned if you don't type of choice. So in this case I've put my personal opinions to the side and simply share that I now believe (and I could very well be wrong) that Narrative does need universal certification if it is to survive and I say this for many considerations...not just the spam posts. I also believe...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Antimetica ·
Hi Joe! I'm against mandatory certification. I would have never signed up in the first place if it were. It's not the price of it, either, but philosophical reasons - i.e. "showing your papers" is a demand for my private information and I take it very seriously. I did eventually certify, after evaluating the benefits of it. I believe it is important to find a balance between making it easy for legit new people to publish, and controlling the spam - which everyone is frustrated with. But the...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
I know that most corporate decisions come down to the actual cost of implementing them. In this case I suggest that many members of the Narrative community might be able to offset some of the costs of universal certification through Nrve donations and possibly even cash donations if they are approached about it. I know that I would be willing to contribute cash to assist those who can't afford the cost of certification. Existing members could also perhaps work off the cost of certification...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
Maybe there is a way to encourage certification even while still allowing the normal registration process? Giving added benefits to those that have certified more than what is already there? While limiting the number of posts that are not certified...I really hate that, but if people could use Nrve for the certification process it might work out... I'm just thinking out loud.... maybe someone will come up with a good idea that the team will like....a little brain storming can't hurt and I...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Malkazoid ·
Yes, Voice... My guess is Voice will use a certification process that is less costly than ours - so that would be the first work item if we wanted to beat them to the punch: change our certification process to a more economical one. This would also almost certainly mean a less accurate one, but I do think we can sacrifice a little bit of accuracy. But the biggest problem I see with universal certification is the Narrative Company itself: I don't perceive them as adaptable enough to change...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Malkazoid ·
I know there will be others who will feel like @Antimetica does. Certification is a hurdle on many levels. But I agree we should be seriously considering it as a solution to several problems the platform has been experiencing - problems which are likely to get worse with time, not better. Universal certification is not the only solution, and possibly not the best. But it should be duly listed and weighed against the other solutions, as methodically as possible. From what I can see, at this...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Robert Nicholson ·
I am curious as to why you think it's important to "beat Voice to the punch"? Why do people have loyalty to Narrative? If Voice - or Okuna or Trybe or Cent or Sapien or Stish - builds a better platform, that's GREAT! I'll happily use it.
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
Robert Nicholson I am loyal to the brand. It's in my nature and I can't help it. I don't change friends very often either and live a rather boring life...chuckle. There is something almost emotional about my connection with Narrative and I have never found that anywhere else. My heart just tells me that Narrative is sooooo close to finding the winning solution.....maybe just a few changes....
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
MALKAZOID My head tells me that you are right, but my heart tells me that we can beat Voice to the punch by getting there first! If we could get ahead of Voice that would be so awesome! It would really put Narrative on the map! So, my head or my heart?
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
I remember looking at the different countries when I went through the certification process. It did make me glad that I lived in the United States where I could use my driver's license. And this is a real concern but my question remains valid....each person will need to prove their identity to cash their Nrve. What kind of ID will they use for that? And can we make use of the same ID? Will onfido customize their process for us? How can we make use of the same ID's that people use to create...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Malkazoid ·
I LOVE that you're participating in the discussion! I think allowing people to certify with NRVE is really needed - a lot of folks support that. The Team let us know that this would require a fair bit of manual effort on their end since they would have to buy USD with the NRVE (Onfido won't take NRVE as a payment, understandably, LOL). In a way, certification would already be part of the posting limits options a lot of folks support. Since you may need to be higher than low rep in order to...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Antimetica ·
Joe, I do think for instance if mandatory certification were implemented right now this minute on the spot, with the flip of a switch, it would stanch the bleeding currently happening with the spam. It's just that in a larger picture one of my primary attractions to cryptocurrency was empowering people worldwide, and moving towards a true global economy. That means, making it accessible to everyone. So my issue is concerned with accessibility to wealth building and economy, and I do think...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Antimetica ·
Thank you for always being kind, and encouraging I went and looked at our current certification provider, Ofido. You can see the countries they serve and the documents they accept here: https://onfido.com/supported-documents/ We're lucky because we live in a country that accepts 'other documents' meaning they'll take our DL or ID. But look at how many are passport only. I don't know about you, but having looked into the cost of getting a passport, I remember in the US it's like $150 or...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
Yes, I've never cashed out my Nrve and will need to go through the process some day myself. I do have a coinbase account though and went through that process. So it seems that people need to have at least a national identity card? That should be enough to certify people shouldn't it? I wonder if there are providers that will take national identity cards as certification? So what you are saying is that people with national identity cards can make it through Bilaxy and get crypto exchanged...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Antimetica ·
Yep, you got it right. I'm unsure what other document services are out there. It's pretty wild the different requirements from exchange to another. I wouldn't dismiss Ofido, quickly. Colleen said they are based in the UK which gave her confidence over privacy concerns, and she's right - UK based businesses are held to a high standard to ensure privacy practices. Bilaxy is in Asia, I'm so sorry I'm not specific, as I'm not versed in Asian languages, and oddly, I can't find a physical address...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
Antimetica What we think does count and I really believe that if we found a good solution the team would recognize it! They've made it clear that they run the show, but they've also made it clear that they are open to suggestions. I think your point about a global economy is vital and important, but perhaps allowing those in 3rd world countries to certify with Nrve is appropriate. Perhaps we should ask people around the world what would be effective ways for each of them to become certified?
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Antimetica ·
Just to be clear, but you probably knew this, certification and KYC is not required to withdraw NRVE from the platform into your own personal wallet. Cashing out via an exchange (converting to fiat) Each exchange has different document requirements for their KYC. Bilaxy seems to take many different kinds, for withdrawing level 1, at least a national ID card which is accessible to most people I guess. https://bilaxy.zendesk.com/hc/...60020457811-KYC-FAQs Bilaxy is an exchange so very removed...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Antimetica ·
No problem! There is a fees of course through this whole thing, which is annoying but Cash App helps shave off a little in fees you would have in Coinbase. Using the O3 Neo Mobile wallet- I've sold the NRVE for NEO (Switcheo exchange fee), then swap the NEO for BTC (ChangeNow fee) - in that Swap wizard deposit to address: form, I put my Cash App BTC address. So the swapped BTC goes to the Cash App at that point. Then I sell the BTC within the Cash App (free/no fee), and deposit to my fiat...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Malkazoid ·
Thanks for the Cash App heads up @Antimetica !
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