Tagged With "rejected niche"

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What happens when a purchased niche is rejected?

Bashar Abdullah ·
When someone appeals an approved and purchased niche, what happens to the money the owner paid for the niche, and rewards generated?
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David Dreezer ·
If the Niche is rejected by the Tribunal after it is purchased the money is refunded. https://community.narrative.or...ejected-niche-owners Rewards generated and already paid are not taken back. What's been paid is paid. The content is not deleted, but it is removed from the Niche. The content author then gains a Niche slot to use. https://community.narrative.or...rejected-upon-appeal
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Bashar Abdullah ·
Thanks @David Dreezer
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Rejected niches tracker?

Malkazoid ·
Hello... As we feel our way through how niches are approved and rejected, it occurred to me that we should have a way of tracking rejected niches. So as to avoid the situation where niche ‘clam cook outs’ exists, member A suggests ‘cooking clams outdoors’ and it is rejected for being redundant, but then member B suggests ‘outdoor clam cuisine’ and it gets approved because, well, processes with a big human factor are inconsistent over time? When it comes time to vote on a niche, could the...
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Jeroenski74 ·
This is a very good suggestion! +1 for me.
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Soňa ·
Hey, good point ! that would make the voting be easier for everyone and more consistent. Although I just see a drawback here. A niche could be rejected simply because the title was not voiced out in the best way. Then if another niche of a same topic but better title enters the approval process I can see that it could be confirmed since the topic is not primary issue here but the title is. Well if member A got his niche rejected he can still bid on the niche of member B if that one was...
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Eduardo Hernández ·
Or, in my case, because the description wasn't as good and -redundantly enough- "descriptive" as it could have been.
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Gerbino ·
Excellent idea 👍
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Malkazoid ·
Hello Sona! When you say topic, is that the descriptive text beneath the title? You are right - a better description could cause a niche to be approved using the same title. This is getting tricky... I'm starting to wonder whether niches should be voted upon based on title alone? Trying to judge the title and the description at the same time might be amalgamating two things that in the end might be better viewed as separate? a) The question of whether the niche title is redundant or in...
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Malkazoid ·
True. With my suggestion of separating the different matters of title and description, your niche title would have been approved as it is definitely unique and valid from a policy stand point? Then if you had subsequently submitted a niche description that was rejected, at least the niche title would still be available for you to purchase? I understand separating the title and description approval has downsides. We're slogging our way through a messy period of getting a grip in this approval...
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Emily Barnett ·
I think people should read the comments more under each suggested niche. Also this is the place for the person whom suggested the niche to further elaborate if he sees a downtrend starting to happen.
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Malkazoid ·
Agreed! Sadly, I have been voting without reading the comments 90% of the time. I only think to read the comments if I have a doubt, and when I do, most often there are no comments...
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Eduardo Hernández ·
This whole description thing bit me in the ass. I think that, if I wouldn't have only focused on the originality and irony of the title, my niche would have been approved, and not be waiting for the tribunal to have mercy. Anyway...
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Soňa ·
I am really sorry your niche was voted down... I think the idea is great and with a potential to have wide audience. The whole process of niche voting is still in the beginning and I hopefully in time, there will be some adjustments to voting rules - i.e. to adjust the niche description without necessity of niche being rejected and coming to tribunal. I see the choice of a title is really tricky. You could be either straightforward + understandable which is let's agree a little bit boring or...
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Eduardo Hernández ·
Thanks @Soňa ! There have been very supportive people here and that at least serves as a good consolation prize. But, forcefully, I will stay away from posting new niches. Too much risk, no reward.
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Emily Barnett ·
I have been writing lots of comments. I have noticed a few others on the leadership board are as well. I post maybe little changes that might improve the description if it gets voted down. Or just an explanation as to why i voted no. I also add comments that I think could help out if it was to go to tribunal. Perhaps some may find it annoying, but I think a silent no vote can be very frustrating to the invested party.
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Eduardo Hernández ·
The problem is that you cannot edit your proposal once it's out there in the open (which I understand, but it's annoying.)
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Emily Barnett ·
@Eduardo Hernández true. but i think it is helpful to other voters, and I also think it is an opportunity for the suggest niche owner to better clarify his/her position. For instance...you could have put in the comment that you jumped the gun on the description and intend to change it to the following "XYZ" if it goes to tribunal. In this way you may have swayed some votes your way just by showing your intentions.
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Soňa ·
Hello again Malkazoid ! Yes, it is indeed tricky... Before you wrote this post I was actually thinking about niche title and description as something which should be in a kind of symbiosis. But as I ponder about it more and more, it seems to me that it doesn't need to be so. Objectively, the description should be what matters the most for voting ( and it should be for those who might not have a slightest idea of what the niche title is about) since the content of the niche should directly...
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Eduardo Hernández ·
Hindsight is 20/20.
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Emily Barnett ·
True that! Well...going forward...when it's my time to suggest, if I start to get downvoted....I shall go down in an epic blaze of compelling words, for my niche...hahaha! That probably no one will read in the comment section.
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Eduardo Hernández ·
The thing is that I'm getting all this emails from the Community site, but not a single email from my niche suggestions on the Alpha, so I had no idea if somebody commented on my suggestion.
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Dias Flac ·
Weird, I got emails from the alpha site as well when I got a message for one of my suggestions
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Michael Farris ·
This is a good discussion and touches many of the pain points in the suggestion/voting process. It's a little tough on the sidelines (Company Founders don't vote) watching as a niche idea unravels. Sometimes it's obvious and many times I just don't get the voting trend. I completely agree that comments need to be surfaced better. Ditto on being intrigued with a way to let a suggester get feedback before committing to the community vote. Fixes like typos and poor word choice should be --...
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Michael Farris ·
PS -- the original topic point. Yes, a rejected niche would be good to include in search results. It would be most instructive to see if there is a similar niche that went down in flames ....
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Brian Lenz ·
By the way, when you are suggesting a niche, the process that looks for existing similar niches will include rejected niches in the list of possible matches, so that's already being handled to some extent
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Malkazoid ·
Fantastic! Maybe we should bake a search step into the voting process? Click to vote on a niche, and a search interface appears, asking for minimum two search words related to the niche being voted on. After review of those results, the user has to click to confirmed they have reviewed them. Then they get to vote yes or no?
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Brian Lenz ·
We just may have something in the works along these lines. Our goal is to automate it so that the person voting doesn't even need to do a manual search
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Malkazoid ·
Nice!
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christian ·
this is what we need to vote properly. to see all the other approved niches first to check for close doubles
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Bryan ·
This is a good discussion. And, I'd like to add two comments, three if we're lucky. 1) I mentioned in another discussion somewhere that a persistent sidebar of all Niches and their current status would help voters and new-Niche-proposers alike. proposed = currently being voted on available = currently open for bidding rejected = rejected and not in appeal appealed = rejected and sitting with Tribunal on appeal owned = the auction has closed and now has an owner 2) I also suggested that there...
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David Dreezer ·
re: 2) Why do you expect that content consumers have to know or care about Niches to find information on Clams in Education? Why wouldn't they simply enter "Clam Education" into the search box and find what they need? Then they might notice that according to the search results, there are a lot of interesting writings about clams in education (want) and education of clams (interesting, but don't want), and hey! there is a grouping, or niche of clams in education and if I want to then I can...
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Bryan ·
That's probably a really good question. Why DO I expect consumers will know about Niches? I dunno... Isn't that how this whole thing is being organized? Maybe my concerns are really the byproduct of having no idea how Niches will actually be used to identify, sort, search Narrative content. Maybe when the whole thing launches, this will be moot. But, if I am a clam educator, and subscribe to a Niche (if that's possible) I might just want the "Clam Education" content, and not the "Clams" and...
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David Dreezer ·
I don't think we can assume that everyone will want to use the network in the way we expect. Far from that. That's up to the niche owner and or the niche moderators, is it not? If they allow content into their niche that you don't like, then you unsubscribe. The content is still on the network, albeit perhaps not as easily discovered by you. Look around and see if there is an alternative niche that gets you what you want. You can always create your own niche, try to demonstrate to voters why...
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Bryan ·
Good discussion. I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. I’m just saying that the “unkown UX” factors in to decisions/propensity to suggest and/or bid on Niche ownership.
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David Dreezer ·
Indeed. And as more of Narrative becomes exposed and niche suggestions and auctions are no longer the only thing we see, the pieces will come together more clearly. Right now Niches are the totality of our focus because at the moment they are all there is to focus on.
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Soňa ·
I see the discussion got even more interesting! But I am afraid it raised more question than it answered And I won't even pose my questions because the cycle would just repeat itself. Perhaps it would have been good to know a little bit more before the bidding started because, well, you pay money for the niches and you are not even sure in advance, how they would/could be organized, etc...On the other hand, sometimes less is more and perhaps the greater scope of knowledge would make the...
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Malkazoid ·
This is why the state of clam education in our country is hopeless!
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David Dreezer ·
Well, I daresay that you have found yourself a niche to suggest then, eh? No comment at all about chowder without tomatoe?
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Soňa ·
I wouldn't say hopeless. I would say that the golden age of clams have not come yet but well, you never knows what the future would bring
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Malkazoid ·
As Bryan pointed out, I lack conviction when it comes to buying clams and clam related merchandise and accessories. I'm a mussel guy. I understand that is unpopular in the current climate but I must stick to my convictions. I wish I could participate more meaningfully regarding the tagging vs search discussion, but I am sleep deprived! The best I can offer right now is as follows. If I subscribed to a niche, I'd want full flexibility as to how much or how little I see of its new contents as...
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Soňa ·
@Malkazoid Lol... I think it is good that those clams won't be educated and read this discussion anytime soon. I agree with everything you say, filtering, being able to accustom, would be really great! And I still have one question rather unrelated to those discussed above (well it is in fact related to niches, but what wouldn't be). I understood that those narrators with better reputation will also automatically secure better position for their content. If they have better overall rating...
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Malkazoid ·
Interesting! Well I can only speak as to what I imagine. Time and the Team will tell. Maybe when someone starts posting in a new niche, only a portion of their reputation comes to bear on how their content is promoted? So basically, during the ‘teething’ stage posting on that new niche, a multiplier tempers their otherwise excellent reputation. Example - the multiplier could start at 0.2 and ramp to 1 over the course of the first 10 posts, as long as all goes well with those posts? What...
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Soňa ·
Nice idea ! I didn't think about it in that way but it makes sense. I rather imagined a narrator having one general reputation and then that it would be good to have also niche-specific ratings which would appear only in one given niche. But well, then there wouldn't be just one reputation for a member so it actually doesn't work. And even if it worked that way it would become messy since there could be numerous topics /niches where a narrator could have only one or two random contributions...
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Penalties for rejected Niches

Eduardo Hernández ·
So I am a very creative, but, at times, misunderstood fellow. I have suggested some niches, which have all been approved -or on the way to approval. Unfortunately, one of the Niches I suggested is being bashed and crushed by the -seemingly angry- community of crypto lovers. It was never my idea to go around the Cryptocurrency niche by creating The Bubble. I imagined that it'd be nice to have an alternative space to talk about crypto without the whole nerdy seriousness of it. But I published...
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Malkazoid ·
I think we are in a learning phase where folks are still not sure how to vote on things, and what the criteria are. The Team have spelled out the criteria quite clearly, but there are still grey areas in people's minds, and the use of words such as voting and ballot are still throwing a spin of preference on the process, as opposed to what we are aiming for which is an impartial validating of fairly clear cut criteria. Your case is serving to underline something new, that I think we should...
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ClosetCrypto ·
I simply voted no as I did not see how it was different from the Cryptocurrency niche besides having a different name. I do not think there is anything wrong at all with coming up with niches nor do I see how you are, or could, be penalized for having a niche idea down-voted. I think more time should be spent on the descriptions as that is where a person can see where the differences of a niche are.
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christian ·
bitcoin is obviously much much different than the act or job of trading bitcoin but new niche trading bitcoin its getting bashed as well. not sure i understand even why.
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christian ·
punished how??
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ClosetCrypto ·
You can not be punished nor do I think that will ever become an option. Also, @christian as I just responded to your other post on the topic of Bitcoin Trading, although the titles seem to infer a difference between the two, the description of Bitcoin Trading clarifies the fact it is no different than the Bitcoin niche already created.
 
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