Tagged With "copyright"

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Cover songs niche

Malkazoid ·
Hello all A niche proposing for people to post covers of songs was recently rejected. There were a lot of diverging approaches in the comments, so it might be useful to continue community engagement on the topic here (thanks Denis Wallez, for alerting me to this). This is a good example of the grey areas that arise when copyright and the TOS come into play, so it is important for us to become savvy on how to vote in these situations! The rejected niche (and associated comments): ...
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A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Bart ·
I am working on my welcome post for my Fashion Photography niche. Although I intend to use mainly my original photographs, but I did just now, find the need to use an image from a vogue editorial as an example of another photographer's work that I am discussing in the post. And it opened up the idea that people may want to even discuss famous fashion photographers work, with included imagery. This is very normal "Fair Use" by fashion bloggers, photography bloggers, and even art critics, the...
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Narrator publishing other people's images

Malkazoid ·
Hello, I imagine others have noticed this user - his/her handle is Thankgod. Phase 1 Initially, this user posted only single image posts entirely composed of sketches or paintings taken from stock photo sites. Their very low resolution betrayed the fact that these were the preview images, making it highly improbable that the user had paid for the right to use them. https://www.narrative.org/m/ThankGod/journal/recent I Google image searched perhaps 10 of these posts, and verified that this...
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Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

BloggerKrunal ·
Two days ago on 21st May, I got one post on my Leadership Niche from Doru Tarita (Teddy). In the post footer he mentioned the source of surfersam site but it was not added in canonical link. So I asked about his user details on that site and he responded this. "Thank you for your comment. I wish I can write better English, but my English is not good. I am happy when I can use free articles from surfersam. I can find there, what I want to express by myself. They are a source of inspiration...
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YouTube videos (not ours), software/web-service/product (copyrighted) screenshots...Fair use or not?

alex_bio ·
I read "Terms of Service" and "Acceptable Use Policy", but I still don't understand. It's going to be easier to explain with examples: Example 1. a) I'd like to make some tuts on how to use some software, let's say PhpStorm (which is under "Commercial proprietary software" license). Am I allowed to use screenshots of it for tutorials published on Narrative for educational purpose (while for commercial purpose as well (NRVE))? Would this be considered as fair use? Or it only could be allowed...
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We can't rely on Narrators to contact rights holders when there is copyright infringement

Malkazoid ·
Hello, Right now, we have a Narrator posting 10 posts per day, of external video content, with zero accompanying original content. He's posting the most he can, within the 10 post per day limit. This content comes from multiple youtube accounts, and is almost certainly not his. I am not naming names, as per the wishes of the Team. This post on the platform explains things in more detail, so I won't replicate all of it here. https://www.narrative.org/post/copyright-issues-again In summary...
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The Video Vault niche definition needs improvement to discourage potential IP issues

Christina Gleason ·
The Video Vault , as a niche, has some interesting content. Some content creators are being very responsible about adding commentary to embedded videos created by non-Narrative members. Phil provides plenty of context for the promo videos he shares in this and other niches. But not every user does so. The current niche definition is this: Not a Vlog, But rather a place to post Music Videos, Live Concert Videos, Live Streaming Videos, Funny Animal Videos, Gaming Videos, People Fails, Gif's,...
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More copyright infringements, ongoing

Malkazoid ·
Not naming names. @Slaz gets all the props for somehow locating the original art this was stolen from (really, well done man): https://www.narrative.org/post/abstract-painting-6 https://www.saatchiart.com/art.../860138/4956333/view Just as we suspected, the account that was posting stock photo low res previews as his own sketches has been, for a good while now, spamming the platform with cropped in photos of other people's paintings, and claiming them as his own. So...
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Require image attribution with image insertion

Malkazoid ·
Hello, There has been a fair bit of buzz in the community about how mandatory image attribution could make it much simpler for people to know how they feel about whether a post is low quality, or an AUP violation. I've tried to think of reasons why we shouldn't do this, and I can't really come up with any. While inserting an image, there's only two possibilities: either the image is yours, or it isn't. Requiring this to be specified would make life on Narrative clearer for everyone. This can...
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Copyright/Creative Commons selection option.

InsanityIsFree ·
My suggestion is simple, and something sites like YT already implement. Before people post, they should be able to select from a dropdown whether all rights are reserved, or whether it has a level of Creative Commons to it, all the way up to and until public domain, with links to the license. In order to ensure people were authorized to issue the license, because they owned the content, there should be a tickbox, saying "I own this content, and want to license it". Then the dropdown appears,...
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AUP violations

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Make it clear in the AUP that violating another site's licensing agreement or terms of service is an AUP violation on Narrative. For instance, using a Shutterstock image without giving attribution implies the poster created that image, which is a violation of the Shutterstock licensing agreement . I'd also like to see standalone embeds (images, videos, music files, etc.), with or without proper attribution, be added as an AUP violation unless they were created by the poster and uploaded to...
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Re: Cover songs niche

Jayme Soulati ·
So, I have a question, please: I was looking at niches that need moderators and I came across a niche suggested by a founder called Grand Theft Auto. There is no description of that niche (which I sought), and it was approved. I'm curious; is this niche about the movie, how to do it, how to survive it, how to get away with it, how to do time for it, or...? (I'm sure you don't know, btw.) For me, this niche is somewhat strange because of its 'theft' wording, and I'm wondering about the type...
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Re: Cover songs niche

David Dreezer ·
Actually, no, the name of the Niche is GTA. The description is Grand Theft Auto. GTA is a commonly used abbreviation for games of the series. Almost always on game review sites, industry news sites, and sites of that nature it isn't "Grand Theft Auto 4," it's "GTA4." But it's a poor description, I don't know what it meant.... No, it's not. It is a perfectly fine description for people that do know what it means and if you don't know then you're not the Niche's target. And now you know.
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Re: Cover songs niche

Jayme Soulati ·
Thank you, @David Dreezer . Yep, feeling pretty dumb on this one. Appreciate the time to explain this to me. Even before content, I'm expanding horizons. So helpful and necessary. Thank you.
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Re: Cover songs niche

Malkazoid ·
Hey Jayme! I was hoping this thread would be about the Cover Songs niche. My take on the GTA niche: it was voted in very early (April 2018), pretty much right at the beginning of the Alpha. I think now, I would have considered the description lacking because the word 'game' should be in there somewhere. @David Dreezer and I disagree on this approach. He feels it is enough for people who know the game to be able to find it, but to me, that's ignoring half of the role of content. Content isn't...
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Re: Cover songs niche

Christina Gleason ·
So we still don't have any answers about intellectual property rights and things like the Cover Songs niche . This is an important thing to discuss, with various international organizations making harsh penalties for violating intellectual property rights, like Article 13 in the EU. Twitch, the livestreaming platform, has suspended and banned long-time popular streamers for playing unlicensed music on their channels because Twitch doesn't want to get sued for hosting copyright violations...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Malkazoid ·
Hi Bart, I can see how some of the discussions have given rise to this concern. Personally I would never downvote for that reason. But I'm pretty clear on the criteria used to evaluate fair use: others may be overly cautious. That being said, I think the platform plans to require people to give a multiple choice answer as to why they are downvoting, and none of those answers involve copyright violation. The appropriate action to take if copyright violation is in fact taking place, is to file...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Christina Gleason ·
As long as you're making commentary about the photo(s) in question, that does legally fall under Fair Use, and should subsequently not be an issue for the community. If someone else were to post a fashion photo from Vogue just stating "I like this," that wouldn't be okay. Other photographers and those who would likely participate in the types of discussions of technique that you describe would totally understand what is and is not fair use. As niche owner, it wouldn't hurt to write up a post...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Bart ·
Hard to say. In theory I agree with you @Christina Gleason , but I have seen people on the platform already interpret rules quite strangely, and from their own personal perspectives. I agree with @Malkazoid , that the proper protocol should be to report copyright infringements with a DMCA takedown request. But I disagree about there not being a check box to vote it down. I believe that there will be a "not in accordance with the TOS or AUS" which includes copyright. So I think it is fair,...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Bart ·
no. the multiple choice clearly includes copyright as a reason to vote down. I appreciate community letting me know how they feel about Fair Use and how it is different from copyright infringements, it is important to know how people will vote. But I feel we deserve to have a clear answer from the executive team on this matter. I can get by...but there are entire niches of really significant topics that could be wiped out if fair use is not identified and separated, from copyright...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Gaia Glee ·
@Bart Ah yes, so glad you've joined the fight concerning the problems inherent in not defining the terms constituting AUP violations, darling. These are highly relevant business concerns for niche owners and content creators alike. As Reputation will affect every aspect of our success on the platform, it is necessary to not penalize members for breaking "rules" that aren't defined. I have expressed concern about leaving "pornography" open to interpretation, as @Robert Nicholson has expressed...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Garden Gnome Publications ·
The average person isn't going to understand copyright and fair use. I don't think that should be a reason to downvote content. It should handled by request and reasons analyzed manually to determine whether or not actual violations have occurred.
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Bart ·
and yet @Garden Gnome Publications it is a reason according to the screenshot of the blogpost, the team posted.
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Malkazoid ·
My bad - I didn't recall it being listed last time it was mentioned, but maybe the problem it poses just did not leap out at me. Placing copyright infringement as a legitimate reason for down-voting isn't a good idea. The crowd cannot be the arbiter of copyright infringement - certainly not at this point in time. Perhaps in the future the general public will have a very solid grasp of such things - most people don't right now. With the copyright infringement reason listed as a box to check,...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Christina Gleason ·
Yeah....copyright infringement should not be a downvote option. There should be a separate button/link for "Does this post violate your intellectual property rights?" for an easy-to-file DMCA take-down notice for the rightful owner of the intellectual property. Good points, fellow narrators!
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Bart ·
I am glad you see the issue I am calling attention too. I hope that the @Narrative team also recognizes the problems it is placing on the community when asking it to police copyright infringements. We cannot assume that the community understands the nuances of fair use and copyright law, neither is it the responsibility for people to police copyright infringements for material that they don't even hold the copyright too. I think that should be immediately removed from the downvote reasons.
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Christina Gleason ·
This is very disturbing. I had previously downvoted a few of this user's images for being tagged in inappropriate niches, but now I will go back and make sure I change my downvote reasons to TOS violation.
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Christina Gleason ·
I posted some links to the stock photo sites hosting a beach chair image: https://www.narrative.org/post...73#49592203133411773
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Christina Gleason ·
I'm finding more through reverse image searches, and the most important thing is that they are NOT all posted by the same stock image artist. They are being taken from multiple artists, so there is not reason to believe that any of this user's work is original.
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Malkazoid ·
Thank you @Christina Gleason !
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Malkazoid ·
Yes - I should have made that more clear in my post - I had reached the same conclusion.
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

MOLLY O ·
I understand your concern and we will look into the postings. Just to be clear - you don't earn rewards for your reputation. That said, we have mentioned in a couple of these threads that there is an existing reputation bug so we are aware and will fix when we can. Low quality content will not be rewarded - the best thing you can do is downvote it for low quality. High volume of low quality should yield little return. BTW, In the future, we will have box for you to provide the URL for AUP...
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Christina Gleason ·
@MOLLY O I understand how much must be going into this stuff behind the scenes, but you can see how NOT erasing the bad actor with payout coming up seems more than a little bit troublesome to those of us creating and posting our original content. Any rewards being paid out to bad actors are rewards taken directly from the pockets of everyone who's doing things legitimately.
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

MOLLY O ·
@Christina Gleason . You must have missed the first sentence of my reply to which I said we would look into this as Malkazoid reported.
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Colleen Ryer ·
Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Christina Gleason ·
It's been a long day. Thanks.
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Malkazoid ·
@MOLLY O - thanks. Just one observation - I expect Thankgod will receive rewards for the content because it is not uniformly being recognised as bad content. As I explained, it seems the community had not been able to sufficiently recognise or keep up with the fraud, so quite a few of the posts had a pristine, or above average quality rating. That might change now ... thankfully. I'm glad to read the inference that you were already on top of this, observing and planning how to deal with this!
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Malkazoid ·
The link to the copyright infringement post that Ocrdu had commented on - as predicted, is now deleted. https://www.narrative.org/post/dog-sketch Did Thankgod remove it, or did the @Narrative Network Team ? Hopefully there will be a solution implemented soon so the deletion of the post still leaves a thread that can be accessed so people's comments still exist. There is a fundamental problem with users being able to delete other people's writing. This also begs the question - what happens to...
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Christina Gleason ·
Yes, it's disheartening to see how many upvotes they have, enough for some stolen images to be Featured. I mean, yeah, some of the images are really good...but that's because they were another artist's work. I'm especially angry about this because Thankgod argued with me when I made the mistake of commenting that neither pencil sketches nor watercolor paintings belong in both the Painting and Sketches niches, and that's when I noticed the retaliatory downvoting of some of my posts. (I've...
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Malkazoid ·
@Christina Gleason - I agree he is part of a voting circle. His posts are regularly getting 17 to 20 upvotes, for pixelated images of sketches that are completely generic. This is not the activity of people randomly upvoting in order to game their activity points upwards because that tide would raise all boats. Instead the low quality content Thankgod posts is receiving consistently way above average upvotes. I'm regularly getting downvotes on my content too - it sucks and it is another...
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , I not only fully agree, but I also noticed the pattern two weeks ago (and ThankGod, and not just him) before having evidence. " I may be wrong and I've no evidence, so I'm not going to speak openly, but I see strange connections between a few accounts. And logic tells that the good boy won't use a single account" ( https://community.narrative.or...10#16940894239600010 ). But I've been scolded for saying that. In fact, I didn't have evidence, at the time, so I'm glad about your...
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Malkazoid ·
@Vico Biscotti I remember when you wrote the quote above. In fact I remember the response, perhaps from @David Dreezer , suggesting folks should avoid forming a Narrative Posse... or something to that effect. I remember this well, because it underlined a fascinating contradiction: on the one hand I completely understand the limits and dangers of vigilante justice. On the other, Narrative expects the Community to police itself. It is integral to Narrative's setup, and we're told in a dozen...
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Vico Biscotti ·
And comments, of course. Too many write those serial comments just for visibility (which in part we all know is necessary, of course) but where do you put those comments? On a psychology article of 7 min read? No. Just below a picture or few baiting words. That's the quality that will be rewarded by the number of comments. And I was also said that comments are a measure of quality, even in case of mismatch with votes. No comment on that (pun intended). Useless to say, @Malkazoid , I agree...
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Colleen Ryer ·
The people with the most time on the site will likely spot the most iffy stuff, but even here, viewing habits can get in the way. Even really obvious cheating can missed unless it's pointed out. This will improve, but will be offset by increases in post volume. IMO if there were bots, it would be hopeless. Without bots, and a little less "autopilot" when viewing, it's probably doable - but of course there are other factors that need looking at, too, but beyond the scope of this thread.
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , food for the mind from @Colleen Ryer , in case it was needed: https://community.narrative.or...76#17504021789093776 .
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

ThankGod ·
He that must go to equity must go with clean hands... I acknowledge the efforts of the Narrative Team to create and maintain the best content network in the universe, and must apologize openly as a newbie and promise not post any other work existing on the internet as @malkazoid narrated it out of proportion. @malkazoid You claim to be among the founding members of narrative, but I can figure that out in your action and character deformation message written by you, while I only followed your...
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

ThankGod ·
He that must go to equity must go with clean hands... I acknowledge the efforts of the Narrative Team to create and maintain the best content network in the universe, and must apologize openly as a newbie and promise not post any other work existing on the internet as @malkazoid narrated it out of proportion. @malkazoid You claim to be among the founding members of narrative, but I can figure that out in your action and character deformation message written by you, while I only followed your...
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Re: Narrator publishing other people's images

MOLLY O ·
Okay, shutting down this thread. Personal attacks have no place here. Let me reiterate - everyone just post good content and rate accordingly. Please don't post another topic in here about the same thing.
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Re: YouTube videos (not ours), software/web-service/product (copyrighted) screenshots...Fair use or not?

Robert Nicholson ·
EXAMPLE 1: all of the situations you describe fall clearly within the realm of fair use. Courts in the US have ruled that commercial profit is a factor that can be considered in fair use cases, but it is not the decisive factor. In cases where the material is used for education or for review, and does not compete with the original product, you are on safe ground - even if you are making money on it. EXAMPLE 2: if a YouTube video has a share/embed link on the page, then the creator has...
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Re: YouTube videos (not ours), software/web-service/product (copyrighted) screenshots...Fair use or not?

MOLLY O ·
@Robert Nicholson . I was just going to say something similar but your response was very clear. Thank you!
 
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