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Cover songs niche

Malkazoid ·
Hello all A niche proposing for people to post covers of songs was recently rejected. There were a lot of diverging approaches in the comments, so it might be useful to continue community engagement on the topic here (thanks Denis Wallez, for alerting me to this). This is a good example of the grey areas that arise when copyright and the TOS come into play, so it is important for us to become savvy on how to vote in these situations! The rejected niche (and associated comments): ...
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Jayme Soulati ·
So, I have a question, please: I was looking at niches that need moderators and I came across a niche suggested by a founder called Grand Theft Auto. There is no description of that niche (which I sought), and it was approved. I'm curious; is this niche about the movie, how to do it, how to survive it, how to get away with it, how to do time for it, or...? (I'm sure you don't know, btw.) For me, this niche is somewhat strange because of its 'theft' wording, and I'm wondering about the type...
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Malkazoid ·
Hey Jayme! I was hoping this thread would be about the Cover Songs niche. My take on the GTA niche: it was voted in very early (April 2018), pretty much right at the beginning of the Alpha. I think now, I would have considered the description lacking because the word 'game' should be in there somewhere. @David Dreezer and I disagree on this approach. He feels it is enough for people who know the game to be able to find it, but to me, that's ignoring half of the role of content. Content isn't...
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David Dreezer ·
Actually, no, the name of the Niche is GTA. The description is Grand Theft Auto. GTA is a commonly used abbreviation for games of the series. Almost always on game review sites, industry news sites, and sites of that nature it isn't "Grand Theft Auto 4," it's "GTA4." But it's a poor description, I don't know what it meant.... No, it's not. It is a perfectly fine description for people that do know what it means and if you don't know then you're not the Niche's target. And now you know.
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Jayme Soulati ·
Thank you, @David Dreezer . Yep, feeling pretty dumb on this one. Appreciate the time to explain this to me. Even before content, I'm expanding horizons. So helpful and necessary. Thank you.
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Christina Gleason ·
So we still don't have any answers about intellectual property rights and things like the Cover Songs niche . This is an important thing to discuss, with various international organizations making harsh penalties for violating intellectual property rights, like Article 13 in the EU. Twitch, the livestreaming platform, has suspended and banned long-time popular streamers for playing unlicensed music on their channels because Twitch doesn't want to get sued for hosting copyright violations...
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A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Bart ·
I am working on my welcome post for my Fashion Photography niche. Although I intend to use mainly my original photographs, but I did just now, find the need to use an image from a vogue editorial as an example of another photographer's work that I am discussing in the post. And it opened up the idea that people may want to even discuss famous fashion photographers work, with included imagery. This is very normal "Fair Use" by fashion bloggers, photography bloggers, and even art critics, the...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Bart ·
Hard to say. In theory I agree with you @Christina Gleason , but I have seen people on the platform already interpret rules quite strangely, and from their own personal perspectives. I agree with @Malkazoid , that the proper protocol should be to report copyright infringements with a DMCA takedown request. But I disagree about there not being a check box to vote it down. I believe that there will be a "not in accordance with the TOS or AUS" which includes copyright. So I think it is fair,...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Bart ·
no. the multiple choice clearly includes copyright as a reason to vote down. I appreciate community letting me know how they feel about Fair Use and how it is different from copyright infringements, it is important to know how people will vote. But I feel we deserve to have a clear answer from the executive team on this matter. I can get by...but there are entire niches of really significant topics that could be wiped out if fair use is not identified and separated, from copyright...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Christina Gleason ·
As long as you're making commentary about the photo(s) in question, that does legally fall under Fair Use, and should subsequently not be an issue for the community. If someone else were to post a fashion photo from Vogue just stating "I like this," that wouldn't be okay. Other photographers and those who would likely participate in the types of discussions of technique that you describe would totally understand what is and is not fair use. As niche owner, it wouldn't hurt to write up a post...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Gaia Glee ·
@Bart Ah yes, so glad you've joined the fight concerning the problems inherent in not defining the terms constituting AUP violations, darling. These are highly relevant business concerns for niche owners and content creators alike. As Reputation will affect every aspect of our success on the platform, it is necessary to not penalize members for breaking "rules" that aren't defined. I have expressed concern about leaving "pornography" open to interpretation, as @Robert Nicholson has expressed...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Malkazoid ·
Hi Bart, I can see how some of the discussions have given rise to this concern. Personally I would never downvote for that reason. But I'm pretty clear on the criteria used to evaluate fair use: others may be overly cautious. That being said, I think the platform plans to require people to give a multiple choice answer as to why they are downvoting, and none of those answers involve copyright violation. The appropriate action to take if copyright violation is in fact taking place, is to file...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Malkazoid ·
My bad - I didn't recall it being listed last time it was mentioned, but maybe the problem it poses just did not leap out at me. Placing copyright infringement as a legitimate reason for down-voting isn't a good idea. The crowd cannot be the arbiter of copyright infringement - certainly not at this point in time. Perhaps in the future the general public will have a very solid grasp of such things - most people don't right now. With the copyright infringement reason listed as a box to check,...
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Bart ·
and yet @Garden Gnome Publications it is a reason according to the screenshot of the blogpost, the team posted.
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Christina Gleason ·
Yeah....copyright infringement should not be a downvote option. There should be a separate button/link for "Does this post violate your intellectual property rights?" for an easy-to-file DMCA take-down notice for the rightful owner of the intellectual property. Good points, fellow narrators!
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Garden Gnome Publications ·
The average person isn't going to understand copyright and fair use. I don't think that should be a reason to downvote content. It should handled by request and reasons analyzed manually to determine whether or not actual violations have occurred.
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Re: A question about Fair Use and the community, not the law.

Bart ·
I am glad you see the issue I am calling attention too. I hope that the @Narrative team also recognizes the problems it is placing on the community when asking it to police copyright infringements. We cannot assume that the community understands the nuances of fair use and copyright law, neither is it the responsibility for people to police copyright infringements for material that they don't even hold the copyright too. I think that should be immediately removed from the downvote reasons.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Vico Biscotti ·
I'm not only worried about this serious matter but I'm also worried about that kind of content giving the author a reputation of 99% (I struggle maintaining 85% with original and not too short content). Short (and maybe stolen) content seems to be highly rewarding, at present.
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Gosia Rokicka ·
This is a VERY SERIOUS matter. I wasn't following Doru's writing too closely but I've been interacting with him as he is a friendly person who comments and supports other people's work. I don't have any problem with him personally and I can imagine his sentiment: if Narrative was a French or Italian website, you wouldn't get meaningful insights from me apart from a graceful compliment now and then. Would it be an excuse to steal other people's content though? Hell, no. I've been a bit less...
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Colleen Ryer ·
Pixabay and Unsplash set out their terms of use plainly. Most material from Pixabay doesn't require attribution, although the contributors do appreciate it. NASA allows use of pictures with attribution. I'm sure there are other sites that allow free, or use with attribution, of material, and there are sites with material that is public domain, but a person would have to be very careful to be sure.
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Colleen Ryer ·
@Gosia Rokicka , it's been a while since it's become expected that posts come with pictures on every platform I can think of, and using "free" pictures is totally typical. If written material is in the public domain, or has been deemed public by the author, there's no law against using this material, and if attribution isn't asked for, then it doesn't have to be included. I agree that using other peoples' freely distributed material is cheating, but it's accepted practice - and legal. Most...
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Gosia Rokicka ·
@Colleen Ryer , you're right - there are plenty of sources on the internet that allow using their content for free even without attribution, for many different reasons. But the problem is that if a user creates a post that doesn't infringe on anyone's copyright but still it's not their own content, I don't think they should be financially rewarded for that... To me, it's cheating.
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BloggerKrunal ·
We all use free images but it's just for a presentation purpose. That image doesn't hold any content of the writer, we just choose it to relate it with our writing to make it more appealing. It's just like toppings on our pancake. But what if we borrowed toppings and pancake both from other shop for free and try to sell on our shop in exchange of reward ? I think it's purely an unethical way to earn money/reputation on someone else's efforts. We don't upvote any post by its image but we do...
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David Dreezer ·
Doru attained a high rep, in part, because people upvote his content. If you feel that it is of low quality then down vote it. That will fix both his rep and the prominence of the content.
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Vico Biscotti ·
Another example of "borrowed" content here, from the same author? https://www.narrative.org/post...-refined-white-sugar
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
I take a hard line on copyright infringement. In the old days, when Google still ranked websites based on how well authors could make use of keywords within the content and create gobs of bank links, there were websites that would take free articles from article directories, placed there by the authors themselves who hoped their articles would be spread all over the internet, publish them as-is with author attribution and a link back to the original article, then slap AdSense ads on the...
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
Oh yes, I forgot, copyright infringement is one of the reasons for downvoting content. Now I feel impelled to follow this user and check every piece of content just to downvote it if it violates this AUP clause. Thanks for reminding me @David Dreezer
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Garden Gnome Publications , good idea. Contacted surfersam. Let's see. It would be great to have feedback from the Narrative team too...
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Vico Biscotti ·
Sorry, @David Dreezer , but I don't understand. If an author uses the hack of publishing "borrowed" content and then deleting it when he's caught (or before), this still seems to keep his rep very high. I'm uncomfortable with that. At least till now. Luckily, seems that the author has finally been penalized, at least in part and for now, and the post is no more there (deleted by him?). Still, I don't understand. If I downvote for AUP violation, and the AUP violation is there, how is...
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

BloggerKrunal ·
I have down voted all his posts which are sourced from other sites. Remaining ones I have to check on Google. Right now I'm not on pc but if anyone finds it someone else's, down vote it. @Colleen Ryer he knows very well what he had done when he deleted his post in first place. @Garden Gnome Publications that's a good idea of contacting that site and a great action @Vico Biscotti let's see what's their response on it. Agree, temporary - 10 is less for stealing.
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David Dreezer ·
They can certainly lodge a dmca complaint. he deletes the contents problem solved? I've downvoted the article but waiting for Narrative to intervene Intervene what way? Governance is and will be the community's job. Report it as an AUP violation. Downvote it.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Colleen Ryer ·
Um, I think the poster needs to be in the loop, here. He has a right to know what's going on, and to speak on his own behalf. He may have infringed copy write, and if so, needs to stop doing this - but he hasn't even been notified. Also, @Ted and the rest of the @Narrative team need to check this out. Oops, didn't see you up there @David Dreezer - I agree, downvoting the content is the way to go.
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Colleen Ryer ·
Hi @Vico Biscotti , sorry, I didn't see @David Dreezer 's message, and doing what he's said will set the wheels in motion.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

BloggerKrunal ·
I have down voted all his posts which are sourced from other sites. Remaining ones I have to check on Google. Right now I'm not on pc but if anyone finds it someone else's, down vote it.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Vico Biscotti ·
@Colleen Ryer , one problem, here. The moment you notify the author, he deletes the contents, and feedback from the Team would be gone... I've downvoted the article but waiting for Narrative to intervene.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Colleen Ryer ·
When content is downvoted for what seems an AUP violation, the poster should have the chance to review what has been downvoted, in case it isn't one. @David Dreezer , is it possible to review to be sure the downvote is appropriate?
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David Dreezer ·
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David Dreezer ·
I'm sorry @Vico Biscotti I was editing the first part of that answer and you responded to it before I got my edit done. I will look into that, it is a valid question and you gave a valid reply. I will do the due diligence.
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Vico Biscotti ·
@David Dreezer , "Are you sure that he's gaining rep for content that doesn't exist? How did you come to that conclusion?" I've no evidence. I just saw that after this trick he was still 99, which is pretty high. He's now 89, so let's see in the future. I just wonder is the appreciation he got in the meanwhile contributed or has been deleted with the article. " If I downvote for AUP violation is a part of Community Governance as much as anything else that you do." Just a misunderstanding on...
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Colleen Ryer ·
Hi @BloggerKrunal I remember when I couldn't afford a website - rather couldn't afford to pay fees and royalties for images - without which a website would never make it. Sites like pixabay changed all that, and I am grateful. I don't intend to suggest that "free" articles should be reproduced and posted here - especially if they are earning rewards. It isn't illegal, but it is unfair to the members who work hard at creating content. This is true also of the digital artists who work hard at...
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Colleen Ryer , I'm not sure if this is a good thing. This could be used by the author to delete the content as soon as he/she is caught, before the AUP check and penalty. That's why I didn't warn the author directly. Unless, of course, posts are kept in archive but I read in the occasion of the famous BLOG case (when an important post - along with all the discussion - was deleted by the author) that this is not. cc: @David Dreezer
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Vico Biscotti ·
Just caught and reported more violations in the last ten articles from the same author. cc: @BloggerKrunal , @Colleen Ryer , @David Dreezer , @Garden Gnome Publications , @Gosia Rokicka . Please check yourself and downvote, if possible.
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Colleen Ryer , yes, the author should be notified. I only say not immediately on downvoting, because a malevolent member can use that to hide evidence. I guess the author has been notified when the article has been removed for AUP violation. Or should. @BloggerKrunal , I remember one post from the staff said that the canonical url should be set to affirm that you own the content (even if, of course, it's not sufficient). Else, it's okay to assume that it's an infringement.
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Colleen Ryer ·
@Vico Biscotti since downvotes are anonymous and a voter might not be well enough aware of what is and what isn't an AUP violation, there is a chance that acceptable content could be downvoted - I just want to know if there's a way to put it straight once a downvote has happened and it shouldn't have. I didn't mean that who ever is downvoted is notified directly - the sudden rep drop should be notification enough, I think
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Colleen Ryer ·
I see @BloggerKrunal , maybe in some cases just citing the source isn't good enough - actual permission from the source is required and for some posts wasn't obtained. This isn't allowed, but I'm having a hard time telling which are which.
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BloggerKrunal ·
@Colleen Ryer in his every he had mentioned source info. You can easily judge on that and down vote it. We just have to make sure his original posts don't get down voted. If anyone by mistake down voted his own content then it can be easily upvoted again. To all, punish the bad deeds not the person.
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BloggerKrunal ·
@Colleen Ryer any articles, videos which are sourced from other sites should be down voted. I can see very few in initial stage he posted his own stories and photographs. So if you just look on source details you can down boge it and the remaining ones you can read a little bit of content and you will know it's his or not. As he mentioned few words of Narrative, Narrators, about his Australia trip etc. @Vico Biscotti thanks for sharing that. It will be easy to judge now. However, you and me...
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Vico Biscotti ·
@BloggerKrunal , yes but... https://community.narrative.or...xcessively-rewarding
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
There are ways to tell if an article has been lifted from a website without permission. In Surfersam's case, it seems to be a site where authors post their writing, but they don't get a byline (which is odd). There are still article directories, such as EzineArticles, where articles intended for distribution can be picked up and used by anyone for their email newsletters, website content, or whatever. But there are rules and guidelines for giving proper attribution. As long as publishers...
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Colleen Ryer ·
I see that he's posted some material that is clearly in the public domain, and he declares this and where it comes from. Using this material may be considered poor quality in many eyes, and will downvote as poor quality - some will just skip it or even upvote it if they like it. But it isn't plagiarism or copyright infringement - so shouldn't be downvoted as an AUP.
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