Tagged With "Speculative Fiction"

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Speculative Fiction Niche Looking for Moderators

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Do you write or like to read speculative fiction? If you're into horror, science fiction, fantasy, weird literature, or any of the subgenres associated with these fiction genres, the Speculative Fiction niche is accepting nominations for moderator. According to Narrative guidelines, each niche can have two moderators. We currently have two nominees, one of which is me. I'm not particularly dying to be the moderator (though I'll gladly accept the role if elected), but I will throw my support...
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Niche Earnings

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I'm a bit confused about how niche earnings are reported. The all-time rewards on the Speculative Fiction niche is reported as $84.30. But the total earned for the April/May time period was $84.25. In June, it was $14.31 (half an hour ago it was $20). That totals up to $98.56. And this isn't counting moderator rewards. So is this a math problem or an algorithm issue? I don't know which, but it doesn't seem right.
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Re: Niche Earnings

Serroc ·
I noticed similar inconsistencies while I was looking to see which niches actually "paid for themselves" (mostly the Narrative related ones, BTW)... I assumed it was because of the NRVE value fluctuations since I wasn't looking at everything consecutively or side by side.
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Malkazoid ·
I can only assume it is NRVE fluctuations - NRVE fluctuates a lot, so we should expect these figures to be changing perhaps even as frequently as every few minutes.
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JerrodBelcher ·
Yes I saw that and I believe that’s why too! The volume up and down people buying and selling..
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Re: Niche Earnings

Garden Gnome Publications ·
But if the Narrative algorithm is set to change reporting statistics based on the current value of NRVE, whether at CoinMarketCap, Bilaxy, LAToken, or wherever, then shouldn't it be the same across the board?
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Malkazoid ·
@Garden Gnome Publications - yes, but unless you load both results in separate tabs at the exact same time, there's a chance one will use one NRVE value, and the other, another.
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Re: Niche Earnings

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Okay, I see what you're saying @Malkazoid . I did that and the numbers do add up. Damn those real-time calculations!
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Re: Niche Earnings

Garden Gnome Publications ·
So that brings up another question for me. What exchange is the NRVE value tied to in these calculations?
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Re: Niche Earnings

Brian Lenz ·
@Garden Gnome Publications the data is pulled from CoinMarketCap, which aggregates across all exchanges that NRVE is listed on...
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Re: Niche Earnings

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Thanks @Brian Lenz
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Top 10 Niches

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I'm wondering how the Top 10 Niches list is compiled after a quick review. The Mobile Photos niche, active for only two months, is listed as having 617 posts. Its Qualifying Posts for rewards is 428. That tells me there are a lot of low-quality posts in this niche. By contrast, the Speculative Fiction niche has been active since beta launch and has a total of 639 Qualifying Posts for rewards, and very few low-quality posts. Since Spec-Fic has 639 qualifying posts and Mobile Photos has 617...
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954 Qualified Posts

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I asked this question before when Speculative Fiction might have ranked #11 on the top niches board. As of the last day of August, the niche had 954 qualified posts . Those are posts that have earned the niche owner and moderator rewards. However, #6 on the Top 10 niches list has only 925 posts. Are those qualified posts? When I asked this question last, I was told the update is likely once a day (though, I believe it was @David Dreezer who said he didn't know for sure). I just...
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

Malkazoid ·
I don't know that I have all the data to understand the specific issue with Spec Fiction and the top 10, but I am upvoting because I don't think the top 10 is a positive influence. It is just concentrating more posting in the same few niches. Obviously, and as mentioned before, Narrative's challenge is to surface niches that don't necessarily have the appeal of bringing the most eyes to a post. This top 10 is having the opposite effect, and I don't think it is serving as an incentive for...
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

Garden Gnome Publications ·
@David Dreezer , if you go to the Rewards tab for the niche, on the bottom it tells you how many qualified posts you had that month. I went to each month and added them up. Screenshot attached. @Vico Biscotti and @Christina Gleason , the Speculative Fiction niche is the most popular of all the fiction niches, including the top-level Fiction niche.
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Re: Top 10 Niches

Serroc ·
Just curious - does the algorithm take into consideration views by non-members of Narrative? I drive some traffic from my social media to read my posts, but because they are not members of Narrative, they do not vote - I am just wondering based on @Garden Gnome Publications analysis of the Top 10 Niches, if the missing piece might be independent views? Just conjecture at this point...and also I am equally curious as to the answer to his question. Thanks!
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Re: Top 10 Niches

David Dreezer ·
The display is strictly number of posts, as the title implies. It is also very heavily cached and not updated frequently. It is entirely possible for the #11 Niche to have more posts than the #10 for a period of time, and not show up there. I don't recall exactly how often it is updated, but I think that I remember it being daily at a minimum.
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Re: Top 10 Niches

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Okay, that makes sense, @David Dreezer . If it's only once a day, I wonder if updating it more often as the site grows would make for a better presentation. Maybe twice a day, or every six hours. Also, and I believe this has been suggested elsewhere. Since we have the data on qualifying posts and total posts, why not report niches by highest quality rating? This would simply be a matter of taking the inputs, which you already have, and creating the output by coding the formula and adding the...
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Re: Top 10 Niches

David Dreezer ·
You are right, it was suggested. You likely remember it because you posted to it. https://community.narrative.or...y-in-narrative-stats It's not that it has been ignored. Much as with many of the good suggestions, it's just a time/priority thing.
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Re: Top 10 Niches

Malkazoid ·
As a compromise in terms of dev time... maybe we could transform this ticket into an issue, and consider listing the top ten niches based on eligible posts? If spammier niches are benefitting from their spam because it helps them qualify for the top ten, they have an active incentive to not moderate their niche correctly. The moderators are the owners, right now. Removing a spammy post that doesn't belong in their niche drops their ranking in the current list! If there is an issue with...
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Re: Top 10 Niches

David Dreezer ·
Closing this to help keep things organized. Please feel free to comment on the suggestion which was linked in the second to last post.
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

Christina Gleason ·
If the Top 10 Niches list can't be accurate, it should be gotten rid of. Scratch that. The Top 10 Niche list shouldn't exist, because the more general topics will ALWAYS get more posts than more specific niches, and what's the point in highlighting that fact? Only if it were the Top 10 Niches in QUALITY would this metric be in any way useful to the community.
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I just looked at the Music niche numbers and it had 681 qualified posts in August and 533 in July, so the numbers are definitely wrong.
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

Garden Gnome Publications ·
@Malkazoid , I agree the Top 10 list isn't helpful. I discovered this anomaly the second time, ironically, while searching for something else. I wish we had a quality score niches, based on total posts versus qualified and ratio of which was high quality vs. low quality with consideration for how many posts were AUP violations, and maybe some other criteria that are not so easily gamed. How active the niche owner is, how good a job the moderators do at moderating. Some of this can be at the...
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

David Dreezer ·
@Garden Gnome Publications where are you getting the #954 from, please? This is the number that I am trying to validate, but I do not find it.
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

Vico Biscotti ·
Honestly, I don't know about the specific issue but the discussion that it triggered is interesting. I definitely agree that a top 10 based on quality metrics would be better. I get that quantity metrics are interesting too, but they should be certainly coupled with quality metrics especially if we don't want a race for quantity. Also, as @Christina Gleason says, it's obvious that the most general (and pop) niches will prevail in the top 10. I think this deserves a suggestion. I let who...
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

Colleen Ryer ·
I put this one in a while back - adding the quality score in https://community.narrative.or...ngs-to-niche-ratings
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

Vico Biscotti ·
I even voted it at the time (ages ago... May 2019...). Thanks, @Colleen Ryer , and sorry for forgetting it.
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

David Dreezer ·
@Garden Gnome Publications Ah, ok. I see how you got that now. And well, it doesn't actually work that way. To explain: What you're doing is attributing that number as being new posts made to your Niche each month. It's not. It is, as it says, the total number of posts that were qualified for points that month, not the number of new posts made to the Niche. You see, posts can continue to earn rewards month after month after month. If a post that was made last month or the month before or...
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

Vico Biscotti ·
And this, @David Dreezer and @Garden Gnome Publications , points back to an old suggestion ( https://community.narrative.or...cs-on-the-niche-page ) that could help to avoid misunderstandings and was already acknowledged.
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Okay @David Dreezer , that does explain a few things. I get what you're saying about evergreen content. Each post continues earning month after month, so they aren't new posts. I'm guessing the number of posts among the Top 10 are total posts contributed, including low and high quality? This is the part that is confusing. There is a Top 10 list, but there's no context explaining what it represents so it's easy to jump to conclusions. The "Top 10" sort of implies there's a competition, but if...
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

David Dreezer ·
You're welcome. The top 10 list is a simple counter that is displaying total posts to the niche, quality or not. It really wasn't meant to be a competition of any sort. And yes, to your previous question, it is cached and updated daily. And thanks, @Vico Biscotti for cross posting that suggestion. Saved me from digging it back up.
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Re: 954 Qualified Posts

David Dreezer ·
I'm going to mark this as resolved now, as the discussion should continue on the suggestion topic.
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