Tagged With "Certification"

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Certification Fee

ericnovak ·
Hey guys, I was wondering if there was going to be an option to pay the certification fee in NRVE, since that's the token that this community is built on. Kinda' confused as to why it's being requested in USD. I'd love more thoughts on this subject
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Ted ·
These fees do not go to Narrative Rewards. Rather, they cover our own costs for processing the applications. Since nearly all of our associated costs require USD, it's actually more expensive/time-consuming for us to collect NRVE and then convert to USD. That said, there may be an option to pay in NRVE in the future, and certainly we are all for increasing usage of NRVE in general. It's just more expeditious at this point to keep it simple by supporting credit card, paypal, and Venmo.
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Emily Barnett ·
Agreed. This would give people coming from countries like Venezuela a chance to increase there reputation with their actual earnings, where as coming up with USD, for this type of thing, nearly impossible.
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Malkazoid ·
So I want to try to tease apart two things here. On the one hand, we have the mechanics of certifying people: from the perspective of the Narrative Team, there is the practical requirement to verify that as many people as possible are real people, and there is a cost attached to doing so. I don't find it shocking that the cost has to be passed on to us, although I do think @Stever82 has a point about about the $10 - $15 jump. (Unless the true cost of the process is $15, and the Narrative...
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Stever82 ·
As a user that has purchased 2 niches I don’t like this roll out at all. The email was not clear this would cost money. You are only giving us one way to pay and it is not a user friendly way for many of us. The whole we are only charging you to cover their fee seems fake when you have a it cost 10 now and 15 later. Why does their fee go up later? 30% is a large part to connect it a fee. Seems like you are buying rep. Also forcing us to do this to be a moderator puts me at a spot that if no...
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Ted ·
We've made it clear in our spec from day one that there would be a fee associated with certification. In terms of the fee... it is simply discounted until we launch the beta, when the normal rate of $15 will apply. To be clear, certification is definitely optional. You are not obligated to become certified at all. There are certainly perks associated with becoming certified, but IMO that makes sense. With many networks filled with bots, we want Narrative to reflect quality. Certification at...
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Malkazoid ·
That was exactly my thinking too.
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Slaz ·
I think the process should at least state what Narratives exact costs are for each certification request, to ensure people that all they’re paying for is to cover these costs, and nothing more. Transparency is a defining factor in Narratives concept, and if people suspect money is being made by the certification process, it might cause bad taste. I don’t really care about that myself, but I expect at least some users to mind post-beta.
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Emily Barnett ·
I made this point in another post today. Transparency and being on your toes for p.r. messaging is so important for the Narrative team to take. I believe this is an area that the team should be concerning themselves with more. @Ted stating that the fees are clearly laid out in the specifications after people have had a reaction, isn't really a great Public Relations strategy. Not everybody reads the specs, and especially not with a fine tooth comb. The messaging needs to be repetitive, and...
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Ted ·
The fee reflects all of the costs associated with processing these certifications- including third party processor fees (what Onfido charges us to perform the checks), our own time in manually reviewing each submission (yes, a real human on our team is also performing a check each time), development and maintenance of our back-end systems for the certification process, and development and maintenance of the payment systems (including accounting, handling of chargebacks, etc.) used for the...
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Re: Certification Fee

ericnovak ·
Yeah, I mean, I'm not super concerned about paying the fee– I'd love to be verified and support the company. I didn't mean to open a can of worms, but the option to pay with NRVE seems like a no-brainer, especially since that's a goal that people can work up to with their own earnings.
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JC ·
To raise the funds in the ICo if they accepted crypto. For the madness of paying to be certified, No! They do not want crypto. Very expensive and slow! OMG. Hahaha how to expect a dopcion of the crypts, if a company that raised its funds from an ICO, says that for them it is more expensive and difficult to accept their own token and then change it to dollars.
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Re: Certification for Niche Moderators

Gord ·
I am 100% behind this.
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Re: Certification for Niche Moderators

Banter ·
Hi @James , I understand where you are coming from. It's a little bit like a drinking age of 21 when you can go to war and die at 18... Here is a potential compromise for the @Narrative team to consider: Certification should still be required for moderation positions to verify age, as well as the 2nd point about 'fake accounts' @Ted brought up. However, I would alter the age restriction and set it to something lower like 15 or 16. I would also create a little bit of a contract that the user...
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Re: Certification for Niche Moderators

James ·
Trying to keep children off of the front line of content review. Welp, I'm not allowed to do the only thing I want to do on this platform. You're excluding a demographic that consist of some of the most active online moderators because of people posting pornographic content to the wrong place. A problem that exists on virtually every site ever. If this was a serious problem, there would be laws requiring moderators be 18+, there would be rules on every platform. Not sure if you knew, but the...
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Gord ·
@James I get your disappointment, but the issue goes well beyond nudy pics. This is about preventing minors from being subjected to truly deplorable, psychopathic content... the sort of thing that front-line mods of Twitter and Facebook are suffering PTSD from . As a father, I'm pleased to know that Narrative is taking steps to mitigate this kind of damage to our youth, even if governments haven't (yet) addressed the issue. @Banter and @Garden Gnome Publications I agree there should be...
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
Yes, there should be serious repercussions for breaking this policy. If we're going to charge for certifications and require moderators to be certified, the negative consequences for breaking the rules should be severe enough that it causes users to think twice.
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James ·
As you are a parent, I do understand your response and, as a teenager, I would class it as a stereotypical parental response when they think of the worst case scenario like they always do. I don't mean to be rude, but Twitter and Facebook are two of the largest social platforms in the world, Narrative is yet to launch out of alpha and I guarantee you that Narrative shall not have anywhere near as many members as those two giants that dominate the industry, for the first few years at a...
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Gord ·
This would be optimal. I like the way some subReddits handle content publishing where you might start off only being able to comment via text and only after a certain rep is achieved, can you post images/videos/links. Maybe this already exists?
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Banter ·
Hi @Gord , I think you are right about the anonymous account problem. I had originally thought that new users would be in a bit of a probationary period until their reputation reached a certain level. While that would be a barrier to posting content right out of the gate...it would certainly help prevent a 'Create anon account, post spam / horrible stuff, rinse, repeat'.
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Colleen Ryer ·
A little confused, since I thought Ted announced that the age rating feature was shelved for the time being, unless inappropriate content became an issue - I don't see why a certified member who is under 18 should be dinged if he or she applies to moderate ... perhaps this might better be left up to the niche owner?
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Banter ·
I think it's a great idea @Gord . I would even say you should create a new suggestion topic specifically for that. It would be amazing if Niche owners had the ability to specify a minimum reputation level to even submit content to their Niche, or some other factors, like how long has the account been around for, etc.
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Banter ·
Hey @Colleen Ryer , Actually, what was shelved was the age restrictions for Niches themselves....think of Niches as the buckets...the buckets don't have a rating anymore, but the content within them will.
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Colleen Ryer ·
Ah, that explains the confusion. Thanks @Banter! And ditto @Gord - would be a great suggestion.
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
That's a stellar suggestion.
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Ted ·
Simple Rep is not gone... it is now Conduct.
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Emily Barnett ·
thank you @Banter for providing yet another reason how taking away our simple rep has become a problem.
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Ted ·
And there will be consequences... so no issue there.
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Lack of certification...but I have rated posts pending publication?

Gaia Glee ·
While I have already had an illuminating conversation with Narrative staff regarding the certification of my account, one of my options for getting properly certified will likely not be possible until after April 2. (Bureaucracy is a headache, darlings.) Here's a conundrum: I own two erotica niches. All of my "pending" posts are age-rated. I will probably not be certified when Narrative launches. What happens? Do my posts go live, but I will be unable to see them, even when posted in the...
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Brian Lenz ·
Hi @Gaia Glee , you can always see your own posts that you've authored (even if you've marked them as age restricted), so that won't be an issue. Your posts will go live automatically. In terms of moderation, niche owners will be able to moderate their niches without Certification in the interim period until elected moderators are established. If you, as the niche owner, want to be nominated/elected in your moderator election, you will need to get Certified in order to do so.
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Gaia Glee ·
Thank you for clarifying, @Brian Lenz . I do hope to get through the red tape earlier than I expect to, but I do know better than to be too optimistic. I thank you for the explanation that lack of certification will not interfere with our responsibilities as niche owners in the early launch period.
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Emily Barnett ·
You can also put out a call for certified moderators to apply. It won't help for the immediate, but may give yourself options if it takes longer.
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Re: Lack of certification...but I have rated posts pending publication?

MOLLY O ·
It looks like the question was answered, so I am going to mark this as "answered".
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Re: Certification for Niche Moderators

Emily Barnett ·
@James I feel quite empathetically for you. Sadly this is an issue that was discussed ad nauseam in the early days. There were many people, myself included that actually argued against allowing nude pics on the platform, predicting so many potential problems. Many of which we are starting to see, even though these are not the ones anticipated. Management decided to go for it anyway, despite all the potential issues, and unpleased people. I think it sucks that your right to be a moderator has...
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Re: Certification for Niche Moderators

Ted ·
No, you don't.
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Re: Certification for Niche Moderators

Emily Barnett ·
@ted you need both.
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Reputation Score

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I noticed that reputation scores have changed since implementing the certification feature. Interestingly, mine went up before I submitted my certification. I see that some others went down. The weight for behavior and quality have been changed. It was 40/40. Now it's 10/60. Why the change? Also, I'm curious if there is a way to see users ranked by reputation? If not, that might be an interesting thing to see on the stats page. Maybe a top 10, or something.
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Ted ·
Hi @Garden Gnome Publications - @Brian Lenz covered the reputation-related changes in the recent update in this blog post: https://blog.narrative.network...april-2-c92affd600d2
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Re: Reputation Score

Garden Gnome Publications ·
Okay, thanks.
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Re: Reputation Score

Christina Gleason ·
Yesterday, I was the member with the highest reputation on the platform, tied with Malkazoid. Today, even if I add in the certification points because mine hasn't been processed yet, I've lost 5-6 points somewhere. Looking at other people's rep changes, and it just doesn't make sense. AM I being penalized for being the outlier voter on niche suggestions?
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Re: Reputation Score

Ivan Rygaev ·
@Christina Gleason , my guess is that's because some of your niches have been probably rejected or downvoted.
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Re: Reputation Score

Ivan Rygaev ·
Osita seems to be the user with the highest quality rep (25) for the moment: https://alpha.narrative.org/m/Osita/reputation
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
I was wondering the same thing. Suddenly, your reputation was lower than mine. @Ivan Rygaev 's suggestion sounds reasonable. I don't know how many Niche suggestions you've had rejected, but if it's been a few, then you've likely lost some quality points. However, if that negative quality score reduces over time, then you should see your reputation go back up in a little while. Am I right?
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Re: Reputation Score

Brian Lenz ·
Hi all, I just wanted to mention that the Reputation formula changed dramatically, so if your score changed with this update (which most people's will have), it's by design and will be more accurate now. @Ted had announced previously that there was a bug in Reputation that was inverting some of the reputation effects in Quality Analysis incorrectly. That was fixed along with the other Reputation Adjustments I mentioned yesterday in our release blog announcement. Hope that helps!
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Christina Gleason ·
Yeah... I haven't had any niches rejected; only one came close. But whatever their magic formula is, it will shake out much better for most of us when our content gets published.
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Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Emily Barnett ·
Hi, I see that we can no longer nominate ourselves, unless we are paying for certification. I am not going to jump to the conclusion that this means you cannot be a moderator unless you certify, because we do still need the Nominate a moderator put in place. I will say this though. This is going to impact the ability to get the best moderators, and in some cases even activate your niche. If an owner does not comply with the certification, and they do not have a moderator yet, then they...
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

David Dreezer ·
Hi, I've answered inline so that the answers appear in context.
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

James ·
To quote the Co-Founder and CTO: "We built Certification as a multi-purpose tool to accomplish a few goals: ... 2. Determine the user's age. The user's age is used to grant access to restricted/18+ content when the user is 18+ years old. ... For purposes of Moderator requirements, item #2 is the reason Certification is required. It's not at all about proving how good of a Moderator you might be..." It comes across that getting the best moderators may not be the most important thing,...
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Emily Barnett ·
I am not sure how I feel about it. Honestly I go both ways on the topic.
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Re: Question One about Moderator Center: certification and self nominations

Slaz ·
Same mixed feeling here. Not so much for the certification requirement but more so for users below 18 not being able to become moderators. If someone posts NSFW content in a niche where it isn't appropriate, any user browsing that niche could see it (unless niches get to approve tagged content first). An underage moderator with a lot of time may see and remove it quicker than an adult moderator who only gets to see and remove it after 5'o clock.
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