Tagged With "AUP"

Question

What does Narrative consider "pornographic?"

Gaia Glee ·
Hello darlings, As we approach the launch date, I am becoming increasingly aware of grey areas in the TOS. I own and have paid for two erotica niches. Because the very definition of erotica involves textual descriptions of explicit sexual acts, and because multiple erotica categories have been approved and have owners, I can only assume that it's only pornographic imagery that is disallowed. As I am also the winning bidder of the currently-named "GirlsGoneBitcoin" which will be renamed and...
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Re: What does Narrative consider "pornographic?"

Ted ·
The Narrative AUP is pretty clear on this: "No pornographic images or video, as determined by the community." Thus, it has to be an image or video to qualify... with the community determining where the line is exactly. Text-only erotica would not be considered pornographic by the current definition.
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Re: What does Narrative consider "pornographic?"

Malkazoid ·
Just wanted to say I really appreciate the spirit in the discussion here. Times like these make me feel we have a terrific community. My take in just a few words (or at least I'll try for just a few): like with hate speech, if we have it forbidden in the AUP, then we have a recourse. Like with hate speech, pornography is not easy to define, and human judgement will have to come into play. But that is the case in many more areas of life than we would perhaps like to admit to ourselves. We are...
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Re: What does Narrative consider "pornographic?"

Emily Barnett ·
That is a respectable request @Gaia Glee Hopefully other community members besides myself, will weigh in with what they will or won't tolerate. I think it is only fair, for people to give you a straight up answer, so that you can work within the system and try to protect your reputation when and if you chose to submit content with photos, and to lay out acceptable guidelines for your moderators. I personally hate punching in the dark, and that is exactly where you are left regarding your...
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Re: What does Narrative consider "pornographic?"

Gaia Glee ·
Thank you, dears, for chiming in on the subject, @Emily Barnett and @Malkazoid . Personally, visual porn does nothing for me, which is why I write erotica. My main concern in try to nail down, as it were, an agreed upon definition of pornography is to shape the description of what will be allowed in what will become Girls Gone Crypto. This is one niche of mine where I do not intend to play a large role in the moderation, but I do want to ensure that my contributors do not get penalized for...
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Emily Barnett ·
@Gaia Glee , this is such a difficult topic, and one that clearly needs to be defined better. Unfortunately given @Ted 's comment probably wont get an answer until you start posting. I have had a lot to say on this topic so it only seems fair that I be the first community member to jump in to respond to your thread. Firstly, I have a lot of respect for you for purchasing the GirlsGoneBit niche and it was immediately apparent to me why you bought it. Thank you. I think you are a good...
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Re: What does Narrative consider "pornographic?"

Emily Barnett ·
important edit to note. Sorry @Gaia Glee I thought you had purchased GoneWild when the alpha first launched....my mistake....the link to the discourse on nudity pertained to that niche, not your two erotica niches. Just wanted to clarify that i made that edit.
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Re: What does Narrative consider "pornographic?"

Gord ·
Best of luck to your mods @gaia.glee ! They are certainly going to be active 😁 My 2 cents: pornography starts at penetration and personally, I don't think it should be banned from Narrative, just 'hidden' behind an age verification and a 'NSFW' toggle.
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
I agree with @Emily Barnett on this, but I'd like to point out that the Tribunal review process had nothing to do with whether or not that niche was considered pornography. It was really over the potential for financial abuse by someone who already has a proven history with it. I am also appreciative that you bought the niche with your current direction in mind. I think, as niche owners, we have to think beyond Narrative TOS and consider the implications of where our individual franchises...
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Re: What does Narrative consider "pornographic?"

Gaia Glee ·
Oh, indeed, darling. It would help to know if it will be possible to add niche rules to the niche landing page, or if we can have a "sticky" post containing rules and guidelines. I feel like something of a madame when I say this, but while it's any woman's prerogative to share pictures of their bodies for others to appreciate, I don't want anyone hurting my girls for their decision to do so. I intend to make it clear that this is a body-positive, sex-positive space, and that the language...
Suggestion

Problematic post deletion - potential solution

Christina Gleason ·
Perhaps posts could be "archived" instead of "deleted" - a sort of Post Purgatory for things people want to delete but are still visible to @Narrative Network Team. This would prevent members from posting problematic content (both posts AND comments) and deleting it to avoid negative consequences. I am not a programmer, so I can only explain it in the terms of what things would look like to moderators and admin. When a member hits "delete post" or "delete comment," it does not instantly...
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Re: Problematic post deletion - potential solution

Ted ·
Just to clarify one point, Narrative staff should never have a role in any content reviews (once the initial Tribunal elections are held), unless of course a staff member is actually elected to the Tribunal (which would be allowed). Just to want to make it clear that ideally Narrative staff in general will have no role in content management.
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Re: Problematic post deletion - potential solution

Malkazoid ·
I think this is great! Tried and proven on another veteran platform.
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Re: Problematic post deletion - potential solution

Christina Gleason ·
You understood what I said correctly. I have personally, in fact, deleted a post I'd published and had comments on that I later deleted because I became concerned that the anonymous friend whose situation I had written about might have his legal options compromised if someone close to the issue decided to weaponize the post against him. This friend HAD asked me to write the post, but there were just too many nuances that couldn't be properly expressed in an editorial format. I manually...
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Re: Problematic post deletion - potential solution

Malkazoid ·
I may be misunderstanding @Christina Gleason , @Ted - but I think her suggestion includes immediate removal of the content from public view... so users who posted something they regret would be able to immediately find relief. What is great, I think, about this proposal is that people who commented on the post would still have access to their comments. From a legal perspective, I think quite a few jurisdictions might actually impose the requirement that online public messages be kept in some...
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Ted ·
The idea itself has merit, I think, and certainly worth more consideration here, though I'd also like to preserve the ability for a person to delete their content outright (instantly) because ultimately Narrative should be providing you autonomy over your content. This policy, in essence, assumes bad intentions. But sometimes you post things you regret that have nothing to do with AUP violations or offending anyone. Perhaps this not-so-instant deletion depends on the person's reputation. If...
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Vico Biscotti ·
I understand @Ted concerns about ownership of content. But I also think the suggestion from @Christina Gleason may be a good compromise. Another option is what I suggested here: https://community.narrative.or...ttachments-to-appeal . In the case of official issues, I think it's acceptable that the content remains public as evidence (until the account is there, of course), if the TOS is clear on that. cc: @Malkazoid , @Garden Gnome Publications
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
Here's a quandary. If we all have ownership of our content, that includes comments on a post created by another. If that other deletes their post, where do the comments go? If I own the comment content, then no one else should have the right to delete the entire thread of comments along with their post even if they own the post content.
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Malkazoid ·
Yes - @Garden Gnome Publications - that's exactly why this thread was started. A post was deleted by the troll we're currently dealing with, and many community members had put a lot of time in providing a lot of good information relevant to his grievance. Those comments got deleted along with his post. That's why were here...
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Re: Problematic post deletion - potential solution

Bashar Abdullah ·
I think that on a community based on reputation primarily, content should be kept, at least if it was Reported. It can be deleted from frontend, but Tribunal community always can access it from backend. Not sure if this has legal implications even if it's stated in the terms though. Thoughts?
Question

Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Malkazoid ·
A question for the community. @MOLLY O suggested we downvote their content and comments as low quality if they are trolling posts. I'm wondering if AUP violation is a possibility too? After all, the troll is violating the AUP (or should be seen as such) by using a dummy account to cause disruptions and malign the network. Thoughts?
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

David Dreezer ·
I think it's a bad idea to blanket report anything you deem as a troll to the Tribunal as an AUP violation. As an absolute minimum it simply adds that much more load to what will be the Tribunal. Mark it as low quality, and then just do not engage. Don't feel the troll's ego and rep by adding comments and replies. Stop rewarding the Trolls, just downvote for low quality, let it submerge, and move on.
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , I was wondering the same. I sometimes report with low quality, sometimes as a violation even if they're not exactly a violation, but SHOULD clearly be, since cheating by multiaccounts is commonly considered negative conduct (not always easy to detect them with certainty, but AUP does not even mention explicitly).
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Slaz ·
I downvoted them as Low Quality, but did choose AUP violation for a few comments when they were insults or personal attacks.
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Vico Biscotti ·
Let's remember that those are not just trolls. It's an individual, acting with a scheme, that is polluting conversations and approvals/bids of niches. Also, new users don't know about this and WILL give him attention.
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Re: Downvote comments by known trolls as AUP violations?

Colleen Ryer ·
@Vico Biscotti makes a good point, people are unwittingly engaging -they don't know that some of the comments, posts, bids, etc are coming from troll accounts. New users are at a disadvantage unless the word gets to them. And after reading the AUP, even if the comments don't violate it, one person using multiple accounts to appear as several is impersonation - one reason to ban, at least.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Vico Biscotti ·
I'm not only worried about this serious matter but I'm also worried about that kind of content giving the author a reputation of 99% (I struggle maintaining 85% with original and not too short content). Short (and maybe stolen) content seems to be highly rewarding, at present.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Gosia Rokicka ·
This is a VERY SERIOUS matter. I wasn't following Doru's writing too closely but I've been interacting with him as he is a friendly person who comments and supports other people's work. I don't have any problem with him personally and I can imagine his sentiment: if Narrative was a French or Italian website, you wouldn't get meaningful insights from me apart from a graceful compliment now and then. Would it be an excuse to steal other people's content though? Hell, no. I've been a bit less...
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Colleen Ryer ·
Pixabay and Unsplash set out their terms of use plainly. Most material from Pixabay doesn't require attribution, although the contributors do appreciate it. NASA allows use of pictures with attribution. I'm sure there are other sites that allow free, or use with attribution, of material, and there are sites with material that is public domain, but a person would have to be very careful to be sure.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Colleen Ryer ·
@Gosia Rokicka , it's been a while since it's become expected that posts come with pictures on every platform I can think of, and using "free" pictures is totally typical. If written material is in the public domain, or has been deemed public by the author, there's no law against using this material, and if attribution isn't asked for, then it doesn't have to be included. I agree that using other peoples' freely distributed material is cheating, but it's accepted practice - and legal. Most...
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Gosia Rokicka ·
@Colleen Ryer , you're right - there are plenty of sources on the internet that allow using their content for free even without attribution, for many different reasons. But the problem is that if a user creates a post that doesn't infringe on anyone's copyright but still it's not their own content, I don't think they should be financially rewarded for that... To me, it's cheating.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

BloggerKrunal ·
We all use free images but it's just for a presentation purpose. That image doesn't hold any content of the writer, we just choose it to relate it with our writing to make it more appealing. It's just like toppings on our pancake. But what if we borrowed toppings and pancake both from other shop for free and try to sell on our shop in exchange of reward ? I think it's purely an unethical way to earn money/reputation on someone else's efforts. We don't upvote any post by its image but we do...
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David Dreezer ·
Doru attained a high rep, in part, because people upvote his content. If you feel that it is of low quality then down vote it. That will fix both his rep and the prominence of the content.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Vico Biscotti ·
Another example of "borrowed" content here, from the same author? https://www.narrative.org/post...-refined-white-sugar
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
I take a hard line on copyright infringement. In the old days, when Google still ranked websites based on how well authors could make use of keywords within the content and create gobs of bank links, there were websites that would take free articles from article directories, placed there by the authors themselves who hoped their articles would be spread all over the internet, publish them as-is with author attribution and a link back to the original article, then slap AdSense ads on the...
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
Oh yes, I forgot, copyright infringement is one of the reasons for downvoting content. Now I feel impelled to follow this user and check every piece of content just to downvote it if it violates this AUP clause. Thanks for reminding me @David Dreezer
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Garden Gnome Publications , good idea. Contacted surfersam. Let's see. It would be great to have feedback from the Narrative team too...
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Vico Biscotti ·
Sorry, @David Dreezer , but I don't understand. If an author uses the hack of publishing "borrowed" content and then deleting it when he's caught (or before), this still seems to keep his rep very high. I'm uncomfortable with that. At least till now. Luckily, seems that the author has finally been penalized, at least in part and for now, and the post is no more there (deleted by him?). Still, I don't understand. If I downvote for AUP violation, and the AUP violation is there, how is...
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

BloggerKrunal ·
I have down voted all his posts which are sourced from other sites. Remaining ones I have to check on Google. Right now I'm not on pc but if anyone finds it someone else's, down vote it. @Colleen Ryer he knows very well what he had done when he deleted his post in first place. @Garden Gnome Publications that's a good idea of contacting that site and a great action @Vico Biscotti let's see what's their response on it. Agree, temporary - 10 is less for stealing.
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David Dreezer ·
They can certainly lodge a dmca complaint. he deletes the contents problem solved? I've downvoted the article but waiting for Narrative to intervene Intervene what way? Governance is and will be the community's job. Report it as an AUP violation. Downvote it.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Colleen Ryer ·
Um, I think the poster needs to be in the loop, here. He has a right to know what's going on, and to speak on his own behalf. He may have infringed copy write, and if so, needs to stop doing this - but he hasn't even been notified. Also, @Ted and the rest of the @Narrative team need to check this out. Oops, didn't see you up there @David Dreezer - I agree, downvoting the content is the way to go.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Colleen Ryer ·
Hi @Vico Biscotti , sorry, I didn't see @David Dreezer 's message, and doing what he's said will set the wheels in motion.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

BloggerKrunal ·
I have down voted all his posts which are sourced from other sites. Remaining ones I have to check on Google. Right now I'm not on pc but if anyone finds it someone else's, down vote it.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Vico Biscotti ·
@Colleen Ryer , one problem, here. The moment you notify the author, he deletes the contents, and feedback from the Team would be gone... I've downvoted the article but waiting for Narrative to intervene.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Colleen Ryer ·
When content is downvoted for what seems an AUP violation, the poster should have the chance to review what has been downvoted, in case it isn't one. @David Dreezer , is it possible to review to be sure the downvote is appropriate?
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David Dreezer ·
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David Dreezer ·
I'm sorry @Vico Biscotti I was editing the first part of that answer and you responded to it before I got my edit done. I will look into that, it is a valid question and you gave a valid reply. I will do the due diligence.
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Vico Biscotti ·
@David Dreezer , "Are you sure that he's gaining rep for content that doesn't exist? How did you come to that conclusion?" I've no evidence. I just saw that after this trick he was still 99, which is pretty high. He's now 89, so let's see in the future. I just wonder is the appreciation he got in the meanwhile contributed or has been deleted with the article. " If I downvote for AUP violation is a part of Community Governance as much as anything else that you do." Just a misunderstanding on...
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Re: Copyright Conflicts on Narrative

Colleen Ryer ·
Hi @BloggerKrunal I remember when I couldn't afford a website - rather couldn't afford to pay fees and royalties for images - without which a website would never make it. Sites like pixabay changed all that, and I am grateful. I don't intend to suggest that "free" articles should be reproduced and posted here - especially if they are earning rewards. It isn't illegal, but it is unfair to the members who work hard at creating content. This is true also of the digital artists who work hard at...
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Colleen Ryer , I'm not sure if this is a good thing. This could be used by the author to delete the content as soon as he/she is caught, before the AUP check and penalty. That's why I didn't warn the author directly. Unless, of course, posts are kept in archive but I read in the occasion of the famous BLOG case (when an important post - along with all the discussion - was deleted by the author) that this is not. cc: @David Dreezer
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