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We may have our first troll!

Malkazoid ·
https://www.narrative.org/m/Shepard/activity Brand new member who appeared just after the owner of the BLOG niche changed his name and avatar and deleted the thread he started on the platform about the issues the community sees with his niche. This new member (who if innocent, has my sincere apologies), bid immediately on the niche "Inside Blogging". Coincidence - maybe. This new member's other inaugural action: to appeal one of my niches (Nonprofit). Coincidence - or someone's idea of petty...
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Malkazoid ·
Many of the long time members have felt the Team's vision relies too heavily on the wisdom of the crowd, and has used that expression to define a very 'laissez faire' approach to the platform. Apparently nobody can be banned. The Community will make its own standards... etc... While this style of 'parenting' can work with 'kids' with good dispositions, it cannot begin to cope with 'problem children', and 'problem children' exist. Perhaps the Community will be able to rise to the occasion...
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Slaz ·
All users who appealed the BLOG niche got a troll attack from what can only be the owner of that niche. ‘The Netherlands’ niche got appealed as well, and apparently has a zit-free beaver named Justin nominated as a moderator now.
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Re: We may have our first troll!

Malkazoid ·
Same guy: https://www.narrative.org/m/nebula/activity His activity and sign up date, and a snipe out of nowhere as soon as he signed up, on the BLOG thread that still survives Mutliple points of correlation between his activity history since sign up, and the people who appealed Ethereum's Blog niche. I can tell the @Narrative Network Team right now, the community is going to tire very quickly of trying to keep track of this sort of activity if they don't take serious and effective measures...
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Bashar Abdullah ·
I saw the fake accounts two days ago as well. All signed up right after the BLOG niche owner post was deleted. Their first actions were bidding on Inside Blogging and Game Art . That, and reject every suggestion we made. To further verify the theory, I tried to up-bid him, and he easily went above 10K, eventually turned out to be 33K. Why would new member suddenly jump in with this high bid? Then he kept bidding and bidding, until he ran out of slots and created new accounts. It basically...
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Vico Biscotti ·
Yes, @Colleen Ryer , I already noticed, because his first bid was on Medium, a niche I suggested, right after the appeal on BLOG. It's clearly Ethereum. Honestly, I'm keeping a list, but I didn't publish intentionally. Another name that maybe has not been mentioned is John Wayne.
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Christina Gleason ·
Yes, I just learned about John Wayne by way of seeing that the Tribunal had voted to keep one of my niches Approved, after John Wayne had made a malicious appeal.
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Colleen Ryer ·
Thanks @ChristinaGleason, there's so many - glad someone's keeping track!
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Colleen Ryer ·
Oops, Sorry @Vico Biscotti - Thanks for keeping track!
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Slaz ·
John Wayne is definitely one of them. Add Mr Pikachu as well, although I suspect some of these accounts are abandoned already.
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Vico Biscotti ·
I'm having trolling attacks too, by brand new profiles. And I've been attacked by the owner outside too, on Medium. Inside Blogging was the niche I suggested. I wasn't going to buy it anyway, seen the situation with niches and appeals, but this is clear unmotivated revenge. Are we doomed to this? Where are the processes to avoid this?
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Gosia Rokicka ·
Oh well, the plot thickens indeed! Wait, I need to bring popcorn On a serious note - it's difficult to believe it's a coincidence. Especially, if @Vico Biscotti is being trolled as well. Well, maybe it's good that has happened now. I think it is a test for @Narrative Network Team . Trolls are on every platform and very much in every democracy IRL. Funny thing is - if that's really him in different incarnations - he decided to do that despite the Tribunal giving him another chance in spite of...
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Colleen Ryer ·
I'm thinking that anything that makes creating and purchasing niches difficult is serious at this point. New platforms need content as much as content creators need a well organized place to put it. That this is beta I agree needs to be flashing on the landing page, and some haste with improving the niche system prioritized. Whether the "troll" situation is real or some kind of error, still needs quick action.
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Malkazoid ·
Yes - this is a necessary challenge. I just hope the team will adapt their approach fast enough. As for @Ethereum's reaction, it was somewhat predictable from the behavior he displayed in the community discussion. People who think like that tend to exploit leniency - they don't appreciate it. He didn't see their gesture as a generous opportunity, he almost certainly saw it as an offense and a sign of weakness all wrapped up in one soft bundle.
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Colleen Ryer ·
I thought conduct negative prevented from bidding, nominating, etc. And new members don't have conduct positive, do they?
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Malkazoid ·
I don't know - all I know is that the brand new accounts he started yesterday immediately started bidding on a lot of niches.
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Colleen Ryer ·
Ya, see there's a lot of bidding - obviously spurious - conduct dings account by account is kind of shutting door after horse is gone. A flag for new member +bid, especially if it's a absurdly high bid. And same for appeal, would at least help catch some of the funny stuff.
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , I have a very bad feeling about all this. I agree with all of your considerations. I'm new here, but from what I see, they put in place a system which can de facto be balanced only by conflicts between users, with no tools to protect correct users. Trolls and any other kind of malevolent entities can not just run about, on Narrative. The future "blocking" feature won't solve. On Narrative, they can buy TOPICS, or sabotage them. In the while, we're left with attacks to us and to...
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Re: We may have our first troll!

MOLLY O ·
We are aware of all the new accounts that popped up and troll like behavior. There are a lot of things in place to stomp out the behavior so in some way this is a good test early to see how things are working. As someone stated in one of these long threads - it is expected. That said, we will continue to monitor and take action if needed. One thing you can do is rate (downvote) any troll-like comments (poor quality please unless you see an actual AUP violation in them and then select that...
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Christina Gleason ·
Well, @Malkazoid , by creating this post, you've saved me from starting my Vote of No Confidence in the Tribunal thread...for now. But if there is not swift and effective action taken to stop this, it would not be unreasonable to demand elections for community members to take over the responsibilities of the Tribunal earlier than had been planned in order to free up Narrative staff to do the actual work described by their assorted job descriptions and let those of us who have time and energy...
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
Perhaps one of the reasons for downvoting should be "Troll-like behavior."
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
MrAnderson most definitely is a troll. His first action was appeal the Speculative Fiction niche, which is obviously not a bad niche, less than two hours ago. Then he went on to bid on the niche Tribalism after accusing myself and others of "tribalism" in a comment thread . Then he suggested a niche called "Yippee-ki yay, MF." This is obviously a troll. I believe obvious trolls should be expelled from the platform. Telling them they cannot be kicked off the platform empowers them to continue...
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Christina Gleason ·
Perhaps posts could be "archived" instead of "deleted" - a sort of Post Purgatory for things people want to delete but are still visible to @Narrative Network Team . I'm going to make this a suggestion, as I know how it works on reddit. (Well, not how to implement it, but what it looks like on the moderation side, if not the admin.)
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Malkazoid ·
Hey @Christina Gleason - I hear you. I'm glad if this thread stopped you from posting that. I completely understand the feeling behind it but I don't think it would be possible to have Tribunal elections any time soon. They would have to be based on a really robust reputation system and the current one still needs to be put through its paces quite a bit, I'm sure. The other thought is that these problems are growing pains - I think the Tribunal is learning how to vote just as the community...
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Christina Gleason ·
P.S. He has far more than 3 accounts. He has all of these, at the very least: Daenerys Targaryen Hulk Hogan John McClane John Shepard Justin Bieber Michael Scott Mike Star Mr. Anderson R.K. I'm updating this list as needed.
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Colleen Ryer ·
Hi @Vico Biscotti , I see one of your posts has troll comments, and see over at medium some of the new profiles are also over there, with no content posted. I think those who appealed will also be seeing this kind of thing, here and if they're also at medium - sucks, but just a heads up
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Colleen Ryer ·
Hi @Christina Gleason a new one - Gage.
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Colleen Ryer ·
Hi @MOLLY O , this is a very good suggestion, thanks!
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Christina Gleason ·
Unfortunately, @MOLLY O 's suggestion doesn't allow any recourse when troll accounts vote niche suggestions, posts, or comments down, or when they file malicious appeals, etc.
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Malkazoid ·
Are we sure about Gage? What pattern links him? His account is much older. Just don't want to make mistakes...
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Christina Gleason ·
Oh, you're right. I'll take Gage back off the list for now.
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SpringWind46 ·
As @MOLLY O suggested, downvoting any troll-like comments for poor quality is a good idea, and I have already done it on most the posts by written by @Vico Biscotti Since trolls usually seek to disrupt, it's best not to reply to anybody who is behaving like a troll, and to ignore them whenever possible, so as not to give them any encouragement. It seems that the accounts that seem to display the troll-like behavior are: Daenerys Targaryen Hulk Hogan John McClane John Shepard Justin Bieber...
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ZeroDesigns ·
The things I miss when I get busy lol. Just an assumption but I assume downvotes also matter with the reputation of the user meaning a user with a 0.01 points for votes would also have the same effect on downvotes meaning it would take 14 accounts like those to equal one vote by an account like @Malkazoid . I'm actually happy to see the trolls, I don't believe they'll have much overall impact on your accounts and its a good test to see if the system can purge out accounts doing so. Like...
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Malkazoid ·
Nice - sounds like the team will be considering measures of that sort. They could even consider setting a rep requirement instead, or on top of a minimum account age. So needing to be rep 15 or 20, for instance, before appeals can be made, and/or niches bid on. That means that not only would the troll have to wait to be able to do damage with a dummy account - they would also have to put in work to grow the rep of the dummy account: rep that would be quickly destroyed by the first act of...
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , I totally agree about the Tribunal (and the team) being in "learning mode" like us. Even if the Tribunal is not a proper place for the team to be, it's good that they have the opportunity to live that role too. I also agree on the troll thing. Maybe, in this case, it's the result of a rigid attitude toward feedback. But maybe we are also focusing too much on the "troll" issue. At the origin, there is a clear attitude to refuse feedback and cooperation, and to use the platform...
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Colleen Ryer ·
Just an eye out given the niche suggestion he made April 13 and fairly inflaming post of same date - which doesn't show up in his profile for some odd reason.
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Colleen Ryer ·
Yes, I wish there were more ways to keep things sensible. But as far as posts and comments go, down voting is all we have to try to keep fight-mongering from becoming a money maker - and then it seems risk our own reps for using it - sigh.
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Malkazoid ·
Some interesting discussion took place before and during the Alpha, concerning what niche owners really are. The name became much more appropriate once the community convinced the Team that niches should be able to be resold by the owner if they want to move on. Before that, abandoned niches were auctioned by the platform and none of the proceeds went to the former owner! It was a paradigm that broke the capital gains incentive for owners to really grow their niches: if the value you add to...
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
I noticed this as well. It's curious to me why that is. Is it a fluke in the Narrative technology, or did this user hack it in some way? These questions ought to be asked.
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Colleen Ryer ·
Yes, if accounts can be hacked, better to find out now than later. And if it's a fluke, then that too.
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Sardart ·
I also noticed accounts born yesterday that are influencing the purchase of niches. They are obviously trools and are not verified users. I reported this to the team. Those who buy niches should be at least verified users.
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Gosia Rokicka ·
@Garden Gnome Publications , @Colleen Ryer - it probably doesn't show up because he unticked "personal journal" before publishing. Only posts that are placed in your personal journal show up in your profile. Which is a peculiar thing, IMHO. Personal journal is great but there should be just a tab for all your posts, too.
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , the fact of reselling the niche may be a balancing factor to stimulate good conduct (btw thanks for letting me/us know about those earlier discussions) but I see three main flaws. Niches are seen as topics from users. If I write about a topic it's likely that I'll add the relevant niche to my post (and I should). The vast majority of users (especially the new ones, that will always be there) will just add niches based on relevant names (and, IN PART, descriptions). So, a bad...
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Colleen Ryer ·
Oh, duh, Thanks @Gosia Rokicka !
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Malkazoid ·
Visibility in the online space is inherently exposing oneself to retaliation... not much can be done to fix that although I'm sure the @Narrative Network Team will try hard to minimize the influence of bad actors as the platform develops. Yes, there will be transitional periods! Owners are certainly not perfect agents, online or in the physical world. But ownership is a time honored and tested economic mechanism. Certainly not the most questionable, revolutionary or risky aspect of Narrative...
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
Thanks @Gosia Rokicka I was not aware it did that, but it does make sense.
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , you're right that we are always exposed, online. It's just that here conflicts with malicious users (who will hopefully be "minimized") are inherently present and important. It's the peculiarity of Narrative, but we're here for a publishing platform. I'm just concerned that "fixing the platform" switches from being an opportunity to be a burden. Anyway, I see the team active. And I'm also glad to have met such a great community. Thanks for your words and effort. Let's see.
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
I think Gage is a solid "maybe," especially in light of a recent comment on this post . The comment: That looks like an admission of guilt to me.
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Malkazoid ·
I hear you! It will be a learning curve. I'm worried too - particularly about the community governance that seems to bring out such personal reactions from people, as we've explored a little already in this thread. A more mature version of Narrative may see a greater separation in the UI between general content, and community governance content. Right now, like so many content platforms of the new generation like it, Narrative feels a bit like a free for all. Once the UI organisation becomes...
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Re: We may have our first troll!

Malkazoid ·
Well his actions will tell the story quite clearly. If he resubmits the Trolling niche with a better definition, and then submits his content to it once it is up and running, without causing disruptions to the platform, then all good. If not... I'll suspend judgement. We don't have to wait long to find out.
 
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