Tagged With "payouts"

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NRVE payouts

blueeyes8960 ·
I can't find anywhere an explanation of when the payouts occur or where they are stored on your account once paid out. If there is an article I can read, that I haven't found yet, please direct me to it. Thanks!
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Narrator publishing other people's images

Malkazoid ·
Hello, I imagine others have noticed this user - his/her handle is Thankgod. Phase 1 Initially, this user posted only single image posts entirely composed of sketches or paintings taken from stock photo sites. Their very low resolution betrayed the fact that these were the preview images, making it highly improbable that the user had paid for the right to use them. https://www.narrative.org/m/ThankGod/journal/recent I Google image searched perhaps 10 of these posts, and verified that this...
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Activity Rewards friendly reminder

Drixx Madison ·
It would be really cool if there was a friendly reminder or countdown clock on our profile pages of when the activity period closes for rewards points. The last payout date was June 13th. Is the next date July 13th? I don't know. See my point? Even if the date was confirmed on some secondary channel or even under the Rewards tab, I'm not sure how often I'd remember to check it. But if the deadline was right in my profile pg it'd become a little game I play with myself. It would push me to...
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I think I found the perfect solution to Narrative's reward payout issues!

J Bandel ·
{I am editing this post to reflect some changes brought up in the comments} I am so excited! I think I've come up with a real solution to Narrative's reward payout issue that has been driving everyone so crazy and causing hostility on the site... Here it is: The Narrative team decides to split the monthly rewards into four payout groups according to word count. (since all posts have pics anyway) *plus another reward payout group audio/visual. 1-25 words Picture post (20%) 26-300 words...
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Christina Gleason ·
This is very disturbing. I had previously downvoted a few of this user's images for being tagged in inappropriate niches, but now I will go back and make sure I change my downvote reasons to TOS violation.
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Christina Gleason ·
I posted some links to the stock photo sites hosting a beach chair image: https://www.narrative.org/post...73#49592203133411773
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Christina Gleason ·
I'm finding more through reverse image searches, and the most important thing is that they are NOT all posted by the same stock image artist. They are being taken from multiple artists, so there is not reason to believe that any of this user's work is original.
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Malkazoid ·
Thank you @Christina Gleason !
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Malkazoid ·
Yes - I should have made that more clear in my post - I had reached the same conclusion.
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MOLLY O ·
I understand your concern and we will look into the postings. Just to be clear - you don't earn rewards for your reputation. That said, we have mentioned in a couple of these threads that there is an existing reputation bug so we are aware and will fix when we can. Low quality content will not be rewarded - the best thing you can do is downvote it for low quality. High volume of low quality should yield little return. BTW, In the future, we will have box for you to provide the URL for AUP...
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Christina Gleason ·
@MOLLY O I understand how much must be going into this stuff behind the scenes, but you can see how NOT erasing the bad actor with payout coming up seems more than a little bit troublesome to those of us creating and posting our original content. Any rewards being paid out to bad actors are rewards taken directly from the pockets of everyone who's doing things legitimately.
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MOLLY O ·
@Christina Gleason . You must have missed the first sentence of my reply to which I said we would look into this as Malkazoid reported.
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Colleen Ryer ·
Thanks for the heads up.
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Christina Gleason ·
It's been a long day. Thanks.
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Malkazoid ·
@MOLLY O - thanks. Just one observation - I expect Thankgod will receive rewards for the content because it is not uniformly being recognised as bad content. As I explained, it seems the community had not been able to sufficiently recognise or keep up with the fraud, so quite a few of the posts had a pristine, or above average quality rating. That might change now ... thankfully. I'm glad to read the inference that you were already on top of this, observing and planning how to deal with this!
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Malkazoid ·
The link to the copyright infringement post that Ocrdu had commented on - as predicted, is now deleted. https://www.narrative.org/post/dog-sketch Did Thankgod remove it, or did the @Narrative Network Team ? Hopefully there will be a solution implemented soon so the deletion of the post still leaves a thread that can be accessed so people's comments still exist. There is a fundamental problem with users being able to delete other people's writing. This also begs the question - what happens to...
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Christina Gleason ·
Yes, it's disheartening to see how many upvotes they have, enough for some stolen images to be Featured. I mean, yeah, some of the images are really good...but that's because they were another artist's work. I'm especially angry about this because Thankgod argued with me when I made the mistake of commenting that neither pencil sketches nor watercolor paintings belong in both the Painting and Sketches niches, and that's when I noticed the retaliatory downvoting of some of my posts. (I've...
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Malkazoid ·
@Christina Gleason - I agree he is part of a voting circle. His posts are regularly getting 17 to 20 upvotes, for pixelated images of sketches that are completely generic. This is not the activity of people randomly upvoting in order to game their activity points upwards because that tide would raise all boats. Instead the low quality content Thankgod posts is receiving consistently way above average upvotes. I'm regularly getting downvotes on my content too - it sucks and it is another...
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , I not only fully agree, but I also noticed the pattern two weeks ago (and ThankGod, and not just him) before having evidence. " I may be wrong and I've no evidence, so I'm not going to speak openly, but I see strange connections between a few accounts. And logic tells that the good boy won't use a single account" ( https://community.narrative.or...10#16940894239600010 ). But I've been scolded for saying that. In fact, I didn't have evidence, at the time, so I'm glad about your...
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Malkazoid ·
@Vico Biscotti I remember when you wrote the quote above. In fact I remember the response, perhaps from @David Dreezer , suggesting folks should avoid forming a Narrative Posse... or something to that effect. I remember this well, because it underlined a fascinating contradiction: on the one hand I completely understand the limits and dangers of vigilante justice. On the other, Narrative expects the Community to police itself. It is integral to Narrative's setup, and we're told in a dozen...
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Vico Biscotti ·
And comments, of course. Too many write those serial comments just for visibility (which in part we all know is necessary, of course) but where do you put those comments? On a psychology article of 7 min read? No. Just below a picture or few baiting words. That's the quality that will be rewarded by the number of comments. And I was also said that comments are a measure of quality, even in case of mismatch with votes. No comment on that (pun intended). Useless to say, @Malkazoid , I agree...
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Colleen Ryer ·
The people with the most time on the site will likely spot the most iffy stuff, but even here, viewing habits can get in the way. Even really obvious cheating can missed unless it's pointed out. This will improve, but will be offset by increases in post volume. IMO if there were bots, it would be hopeless. Without bots, and a little less "autopilot" when viewing, it's probably doable - but of course there are other factors that need looking at, too, but beyond the scope of this thread.
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Malkazoid , food for the mind from @Colleen Ryer , in case it was needed: https://community.narrative.or...76#17504021789093776 .
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ThankGod ·
He that must go to equity must go with clean hands... I acknowledge the efforts of the Narrative Team to create and maintain the best content network in the universe, and must apologize openly as a newbie and promise not post any other work existing on the internet as @malkazoid narrated it out of proportion. @malkazoid You claim to be among the founding members of narrative, but I can figure that out in your action and character deformation message written by you, while I only followed your...
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ThankGod ·
He that must go to equity must go with clean hands... I acknowledge the efforts of the Narrative Team to create and maintain the best content network in the universe, and must apologize openly as a newbie and promise not post any other work existing on the internet as @malkazoid narrated it out of proportion. @malkazoid You claim to be among the founding members of narrative, but I can figure that out in your action and character deformation message written by you, while I only followed your...
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MOLLY O ·
Okay, shutting down this thread. Personal attacks have no place here. Let me reiterate - everyone just post good content and rate accordingly. Please don't post another topic in here about the same thing.
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Re: NRVE payouts

Christina Gleason ·
I don't remember where I read it or who said it, but the first payout will be May 31, which is the end of the first calendar month after Beta launched.
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MOLLY O ·
@blueeyes8960 Here is the link to the FAQ . The activities you are doing now counts towards the first rewards distribution which should occur after the first full month of activities.
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blueeyes8960 ·
So there will be some kind of wallet installed on our profile to show our balance? And that won't happen until the first payout happens?
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David Dreezer ·
There will be a ledger in some format added. Exactly what format that takes, or exactly when, we are not yet ready post, but it should be on or near to the first payout.
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Re: I think I found the perfect solution to Narrative's reward payout issues!

Colleen Ryer ·
@J Bandel what if a post fits more than one category? And seems that words between 25 and 100 aren't covered ... or I need to read it again
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J Bandel ·
I'm just giving an example of how it could work and the creator can make the determination where their own post belongs....
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Colleen Ryer ·
sure, just needs another category 26-100 words - not poetry -
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J Bandel ·
I combined poetry and non poetry. Thanks for catching my omission!
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Gord ·
I'd really like to see this implemented. I'd have a lot more incentive to put energy into posting if I wasn't competing with picture spam.
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AussieNinja ·
I actually don't mind this idea at all. I'd probably want the 'Normal Blog Post' to expand to 101 to 500 words, but I definitely like the idea. There is potential for members to just add in junk words if they're trying to cash in on less popular payment groups, but it would be up to the community to downvote members that do that. Narrative definitely suffers from the problem of trying to be everything to everyone, and a solution like this might help satisfy more people.
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New Social Media ·
We need something like that. The limits of each category and also the relative share may vary but we need different categories for sure. If one category is overflooded and another almost empty, the more frequented one should get more rewards but not all.
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Malkazoid ·
I'm really impressed with the simplicity of this measure @J Bandel . I think it would be important to start by supplying equal amounts rewards to each category if the platform wants to encourage a balanced array of content. Then, depending on the balance observed after a few payouts, the team could tweak the rewards amounts of each category to improve balance if it has not been achieved yet. Or not - perhaps that would be against their philosophy. In which case, sticking with the equal...
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
I would expand the word counts. There is really little value, in terms of SEO, for any post under 300 words no matter how much literary quality it may hold. Google prefers long content. It's been proven and I can dig up the data to show it. For that reason alone, I'd have the bottom payout at 25-100 words with a photo (we really don't want to encourage non-text photo-only posts). Then up it from there to 100-300 words (because a lot of poetry would fall in here), and then from 300-1,000...
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Malkazoid ·
I like the word counts you've come up with @Garden Gnome Publications - and it sounds like you've attempted to base them empirically. I'm not seeing any downsides to this measure. And if it were to rely solely on an automated word count, it would be extremely easy to implement. This solves half of the equation of different content types: the rewards aspect, but it also goes some way towards solving the feed pollution aspect since a better balance of content received on Narrative would...
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J Bandel ·
@Malkazoid @Garden Gnome Publications I love the idea of an automated count, especially if there is some kind of indicator the post creator can see to know where their post falls... I am a bit concerned at the low end and high end though...I'm like, let the word count start out low for pictures...and if the high end of long publications is too exclusive (only three or four people writing that kind of material) the pay out would be too high for them....just my thoughts on your thoughts....all...
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Malkazoid ·
This is a very good outcome from all the recent drama... and I believe that's how we should try to view Community Governance. It can get messy, but if we harvest the products of messy episodes, the resulting network is improved. Thank you so much for making this suggestion @J Bandel .
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Christina Gleason ·
I know Joe was kind of spitballing word counts as suggestions, but Allen is closer to what would be the most sensible. The company I started 10 years ago has been writing content for SEO/marketing departments and agencies for businesses that include Fortune 500 companies. 500-700 words is pretty much industry standard, and my life as a blogger (who has attended and spoken at blogging conferences for over a decade) has told me that 300-600 words is about what readers expect when reading blog...
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Sardart ·
I do not agree on this division of the prize pool by type of post. The prize to be paid must be decided by the community which, with its votes, establishes the actual satisfaction with the post. This is still a social and not a scientific magazine. As already noted, it could also happen that, for example, 3 posts in the high end share 25% of the prize pool even if they are voted by 2 people without having the satisfaction of the community. It doesn't seem useful or fair to me. Instead, I...
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Nuno Moreiras ·
Of course you don't agree, @Sardart , a mechanism like this would really affect your rewards in the long run. But picture the following (fictional!) context, though: You are now dead and you find yourself in front of the pearl gates of Heaven. There's a beautiful choir reverberating from the clouds and mother-pearl colored light seems to permeate everything. St. Peter, distracted by his huge leather book is absent mindedly writing something down, but suddenly notices you and smiles his...
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Malkazoid ·
@Sardart , I understand your concern. It is theoretically possible that only a couple of posts might be made in one category, one month, but it is also incredibly unlikely so I don't think we have to worry about your scenario. Also, if that were to happen, the effect the next month would be that many more posts of that category would be made because people would know that reward pool does not have as much competition as the others. The effect is to balance the different types of content:...
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Vico Biscotti ·
Honestly, I don't like the idea of a priori distribution of rewards based on content length. Rewards should automatically flow toward good content, independently of its length. If you have to someway to "force" this distribution, then something is wrong with the algorithms. At the same time, of course, I perfectly get the problem, and I'm convinced that different content types should be treated differently, presented and rewarded according different metrics. Reading time (both displayed and...
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Malkazoid ·
@Vico Biscotti - I think quality, and attracting a broad range of content types, are two different considerations, and they don't have to conflict with each other. In practice, I believe @J Bandel 's suggestion would do exactly what you want: cause rewards to flow to good content, independently of its length. The only scenario in which a post might receive more rewards simply because of its length, is if relatively less posts of that length are made that month. In practice, the balancing...
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
Naturally, the percentage of payout for each "class" of content can be adjusted. If the metrics show that only 10 percent of p ublished content in the previous quarter (or month), for instance, was long-form, then the payout can be adjusted so that only 10 percent of the rewards go to that class and the remaining 15 percent that was previously allocated to it can be split between the other three classes. In that regard, I think @Sardart makes a valid point. But I also think @Malkazoid 's...
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Malkazoid ·
@Garden Gnome Publications - after reading the entirety of your previous comment, I think we agree. I just want to make an observation about your opening paragraph which could be read as advocating to apply smaller reward pools to content types that are not receiving as many submissions. This deserves some careful consideration. 1) The reason why certain types of content are less and less common here, as we know, is because the ecosystem is not giving them fair consideration in rewards or in...
 
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