Tagged With "Narrators and Niche"

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The need to have a stable date for payment

Onlinedollars ·
The content market is worth hundreds of billions and soon digital contents will take over the world. I believe that Narrative is losing out of this potential presently due to an unstable payment schedule for Narrators. We can observe that there is low level of commitment by both Narrators and Niche owners when compared to the traffic that was generated after the announcement of the April-May payment in June. I am advocating for a stable payment date when rewards will be sent out though read...
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Re: The need to have a stable date for payment

Onlinedollars ·
Thanks for all who have agreed that this is needed in here. Thanks.
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MOLLY O ·
As we mature, we will have a stable date. I think we are doing pretty good with things early on! As announced, Rewards are coming July 9 (for June activity).
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Onlinedollars ·
Yes I agree with Ms.Molly. Narrative would soon become the lion of social content ecosystem.
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Moniker/Nickname for Narrative contributors.

mrgoodsett ·
I know the default name has been NarraTORS but might there be other options? Narraiders? Narrisers? Narrebels(Nar*rebels)? a person who resists any authority, control, or tradition. Narradores (español)? Any others?
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The Politics Niche

Malkazoid ·
Narrators one and all, Narrators big and small... And there ends the attempts to rhyme, lest you come to think this will be the tone of the Politics niche: it won't be. I won't be rhyming people into a quivering mess. But it will be an inclusive niche, of course. Small people and very large people will not be discriminated against - I really meant that. Please jump into this thread if you have an interest in politics, and intend to participate in the life of this niche. Lets get to know each...
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ClosetCrypto ·
Rhyming isn't too hard, You don't have to be a bard. lol thanks for the morning entertainment good sir. I look forward to the discussions to come.
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Network stats about readers

Vico Biscotti ·
An important network metric to know is the ratio between readers and publishers. While most Narrators are both, knowing that we (as a community) attract members who only read might mean that the platform is gaining a reputation as a content reference. As an example, I would track three numbers (in the HQ reports): Readers (no posts) Narrators (at least one post) Committed Narrators (at least 10 posts, or one owned niche)
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Malkazoid ·
This could be good. I'd just add that we'd probably want to try to distinguish between Readers who signed up and have interacted with content, and new Narrators who have actually done nothing yet... In fact you could draw up a number of stats about Readers: charts showing how many people are making certain amounts of votes per week, how many people are making certain amounts of comments per week... how many have done nothing. All anonymous of course. Would give good insights.
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The possibility to purchase niches using the rewards

VenusInMe ·
Hi, Now it's time to start making decisions. According to my research, some narrators want to invest the rewards NRVE in the acquisition of niches. I know we cannot yet withdraw the NRVE from our Narrative accounts, just in July. So I would like to suggest, if possible, that the Team might consider developing a way for narrators to buy niches with the rewards, directly on the platform. Thank you
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Re: The possibility to purchase niches using the rewards

Ted ·
We've thought about supporting that, but there are certain legal/tax implications that potentially make it problematic. Doesn't mean we won't support that one day, just that we need greater clarity on the legal/tax/reporting implications. That said, soon we will be supporting redemptions and many people will have more NRVE to store on their own wallets that they can use for purchasing niches.
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Re: The possibility to purchase niches using the rewards

Heidi Hecht ·
I was just thinking that a lot of us who don't already have 10 niches (like me) might want to use their NRVE rewards to buy more. Right now we're all sitting here alternating between adding new content and twiddling our thumbs while waiting for withdrawals to go live.
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David Dreezer ·
If you have the correct amount of NRVE already available in your wallet then the payment moves at the speed of the blockchain, generally about 3 minutes or so.
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Re: The possibility to purchase niches using the rewards

Colleen Ryer ·
Hi @Ted If buying niches from our wallets, does it still take as long to purchase once the auction has ended? TY
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Colleen Ryer ·
Cool! Thanks
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Re: The possibility to purchase niches using the rewards

Serroc ·
I don't relish having to go through all those steps of redeeming it, storing it and then sending it back to you in order buy a Niche. It is in the platform already, I agree it is like a utility (or like a store credit - ex: on Amazon with a gift card balance stored, it would use that first before funding from other sources). Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth (and whatever that translates to in NRVE plus trans fee). :-)
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Asking for Narrative team help/advice. Translators Global niche. To be or not to be?

alex_bio ·
So, recently I bought Translators niche approved back in Sep 2018. According to its definition it’s “A niche for providing translation services of articles inside Narrative, in order to increase diffusion of the best articles in this platform and provide work to translators.” -> inside Narrative What about the outside of Narrative? I asked a question here https://community.narrative.org/support/topic/translators-niche-does-narrative-need-more-for-translation-service “Translators niche.
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Re: Asking for Narrative team help/advice. Translators Global niche. To be or not to be?

Colleen Ryer ·
Hi @alex_bio Thanks for bringing up the contests. Translations for in house posts as a way to keep nrve circulating on the platform compares nicely. The best translation winning helps boost quality. Other entries, including the competitors, have a chance to earn rewards, and the opportunity to improve on translation skills. the owner of the work has full view of what's going on with their post and to communicate too. Once people can post in their first language, there's still opportunity for...
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Re: Asking for Narrative team help/advice. Translators Global niche. To be or not to be?

alex_bio ·
thanks, @Colleen Ryer , I have a lot to think about, I guess adding "via contests" is a good idea. And I hope to hear responses from the team
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Re: Asking for Narrative team help/advice. Translators Global niche. To be or not to be?

alex_bio ·
@MOLLY O sorry for tagging. Seems like I haven't got any responses from the team about my questions. I suppose that I asked too many questions or just didn't express myself clearly. 1 month later I see that all I need to know is 1. Would it be OK to use NRVE as a payment option for the job done by Narrative translators community on platforms like https://translateme.market/ This platform allows translators and clients to collaborate directly, ensures fairness and allows to pay translators...
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Re: Asking for Narrative team help/advice. Translators Global niche. To be or not to be?

Colleen Ryer ·
I think this is a great initiative.
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Re: Asking for Narrative team help/advice. Translators Global niche. To be or not to be?

MOLLY O ·
@alex_bio . Lots of information to absorb here and maybe future opportunity as well. I see this is a similar to contents - which are paying NRVE. The challenge I see is that all posts must be in English right now. Let me think about this bit more and get back to you.
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Re: Asking for Narrative team help/advice. Translators Global niche. To be or not to be?

alex_bio ·
yes, there's a lot of information. "The challenge I see is that all posts must be in English right now." I'd like to mention that Translators ( https://www.narrative.org/n/translators ) and Translators Global ( https://www.narrative.org/n/translators-global ) niches could serve right now (when posts must be in English only) solely to 1. publish posts with requests by those users who need/want something (their own posts or something published on the Web (with appropriate license (which allows...
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Get ready to welcome some new Narrators!

Melanie Mathos ·
Due to the momentum we're seeing across the board (have you seen all the great niches up for grabs ?!) and feedback from the Narrative community, we've decided to unlock Round 2 of early access once the digital waiting line hits 1500. We're only 300 people away! We are still honoring the same Referral Rewards . Check out the leaderboard to the right to see who is leading the pack -----> Who else is up for helping us get to the next round? Drop a comment with how you're spreading the word!
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Re: Get ready to welcome some new Narrators!

Melanie Mathos ·
@Malikulsaleh @Maelstrohm Black @christian - congrats on holding strong in the leaderboard!
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Re: Get ready to welcome some new Narrators!

Maelstrohm Black ·
I am pleased to be involved with this promising project! \m/
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Re: Get ready to welcome some new Narrators!

Malkazoid ·
Good call to go with 1500, IMO! To be honest, I'm putting all my current Narrative time into trying to help with what I perceive to be conceptual flaws that have surfaced recently, surrounding the role of niche owners, so no time left to refer or promote. But I will get back to it once those concerns are resolved one way or another.
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Where are the Narrators?

Osita ·
It's a new day & beginning in Narrativesphere, I feel like dancing. Where are the narrators? Time to create content. Thanks team!!!
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Re: Where are the Narrators?

Christina Gleason ·
Content has already been created...it just takes time to make sure it's properly formatted for publishing!
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Re: Where are the Narrators?

Rosemary ·
via GIPHY
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
Hi @Banter I understand - and I think all the system can do to mitigate this is to assign less weight to views from people who are not Narrators. Similarly to the reputation boost that comes with having done KYC, a weight boost should differentiate those who have signed up to Narrative and therefore have a reputation, and those who have not, and so could be part of a click farm operation. So we're compounding measures against three levels of risk: 1) the non Narrator who could be part of a...
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Gaming the System

Banter ·
Hey @Narrative Team and fellow Narrators! I was staring at the accrued NRVE reward bucket the other day and had a bit of an unsettling thought. Has the @Narrative team thought about safeguards as to how 'popular' content is ranked? Perhaps this all ties into the reputation algorithm, which makes me feel better. The immediate concern is of course someone 'viewing their own post a ton of times'...hopefully unique views are observed in some way, along with...
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Banter ·
Hey @Malkazoid , I agree with your general assessment / proposed solution. It will be interesting to see what the team finally settles on. I feel like any post that does really well (at least in the early days), will be 'viral' outside of Narrators with accounts, which won't necessarily benefit the poster all that much depending on how the algorithm is structured. If I know that 100 outside views ~ 1 view from a kyc narrator with good reputation, I might spend my time focusing on 'marketing'...
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Drixx Madison ·
Is it set in stone that posts will be "view" based rather than "Like" based? That distinction may make a difference.
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Malkazoid ·
Good question! I have no idea and am actually only assuming views will be part of the computation. If it were my design, I would be looking at both views and likes, with likes weighted heavier than views. How much heavier can only be properly determined through trialing the algorithm but I guess I would start at 3 or 4 times heavier.
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Banter ·
I believe that ultimately ties back to your point about Narrators (people with reputation, having more weight). I could be wrong, but I don't believe the general public will have any ability to interact with a post (like, comment, etc), they would need an account for that. Anyhow....I just wanted to toss the question out there, I'm sure the team has thought about it some, and just wanted to gain some insight into how content would ultimately get 'ranked'.
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Re: Gaming the System

Heather Aston ·
Good point, Banter, I think this sort of ties in with another post I just made that people might create a ton of junk content for their niches and/or try to use that junk content to boost their visibility and clout on Narrative. Right now three of the top 10 niches by number of posts are "Audi," "Nike," and "Air Jordan," three brands that I wouldn't think would attract much beyond marketing material, affiliate links, and empty content from enthusiasts talking about how much they absolutely...
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
@Emily Barnett - if you are suggesting that the outcome of content approved to a niche could cause the moderator who approved it to receive a small ding if it falls below a certain level of quality, I agree that could be an interesting route to explore. The process would have to be quite forgiving, with the ding being small, and the threshold being set to only cause demerit for very low value posts... since the idea is to only produce a penalty for behaviour that is deliberately...
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
I don't think the external views, needs to be factored into your rewards though. I mean, sharing it outside of the platform is a given, because if you already have an interested audience in your particular voice, you will by human nature be interested in enticing them to join Narrative, as they are mostly already in a favorable position to follow and vote up your content once they join. I think this is plenty of motivation.
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
I hadn't considered that - you're right, and the algorithm will have to strike a balance between the opposing imperatives of wanting to demote external views that are inherently more likely to be an attempt to game, and wanting narrators to market their content externally to the network. At first there will be a natural motivation for all of us to market externally though, since the low number of internal users at the outset will mean there just won't be that many internal views to court. I...
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
External views still remain part of evaluating how many non-Narrative eye balls are being brought to the platform via a piece of content. There is a value inherent in that. I completely agree there is also a natural motivation to share beyond the platform, but how effectively you do so should be rewarded to some degree. I trust that over time the algorithms will home in on how to do so optimally. Likes are way more important than views for judging content value, but the best algorithms...
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
That is why i suspect it is based on the same vote up or vote down system that our niche approval has.
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
I have always been under the assumption that it is "like" based, not views. Given that your participation in this platform gets you activity points, It always made sense to me that rewards would be accounted for based on votes for the content. That is why i haven't commented on this thread yet because I was confused why we were talking about views. It will be interesting to see how the metrics are laid out. But I suspect that since the platform is so much about transparency, that the actual...
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
I'm not familiar with what happens behind the scenes for them either. Easy: external views would have to be valued way below what is economically achievable with third party view providers. I'd imagine an article on Narrative which gains 1000 external views might be paying out 95% based on its internal Narrative metrics of Narrator views, likes and comments, with only a small percentage of its value derived from external views. This should make it virtually impossible for it to be...
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
Yes exactly @Malkazoid , I think just like all activity impacts up or down, on your reputation, Moderators should have this too. Perhaps if there is a real obscure reason why the moderator felt it was relatable to the niche and allowed it to be published, they can provide a comment immediately explaining their thought process, just as we sometimes see on the niche suggestions. It is also good to remember that the community can vote a moderator out of the position if they are sloughing off,...
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Re: Gaming the System

Banter ·
I think @Malkazoid and @Emily Barnett and others are bringing up good points. I'm looking forward to seeing what the @Narrative team has to say about it. As I'm the one that started this thread, one of my original concerns was 'paying for views', and how that will be mitigated. On the flip side, I'd hate to see such a heavily skewed formula to value outside eyeballs at 5% vs 95% for internal views. To use my favorite example, let's say I create some amazing, revolutionary macaroni art...
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
Hey @Banter ... as I mentioned, opposing external to internal views , I'd start with a 3:1 or 4:1 valuation ratio. So that's either 33.33% vs 66.66%, or 25% vs 75%. Then I'd run a platform simulator which I imagine the dev team is including in its suite of tools, and see what kind of values the economy develops from these settings... and adjust from there. Notice where I mentioned 5% vs 95%, I was looking at external views vs all internal Narrative valuations (views, likes, comments, and who...
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
I look at Medium as a good example. You can share your content in order to spread the word of the platform and your content, but those views don't count for anything in determining monthly payouts (at least not to my knowledge) The monthly payouts are pro rata based on how many member's claps, your content accumulates.. How do you propose quality views without engagement? I mean if views are calculated in, it is incredibly easy to game the system, one just has to start up a pay for view app...
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Re: Gaming the System

Heidi Hecht ·
True. One thing I'd like to see is the owner and moderator coordinate on what the "goals" of a niche are. Like, if the owner spots something that might only be tangentially related to the niche, he or she can talk it over with the moderator to have it removed. That way, we have less of niches getting hijacked even by accident because people are tagging their posts to the wrong niches. Or should that be limited so the owners and moderators aren't removing stuff just because they disagree with...
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
I believe all of what you suggested here is exactly the directions the Narrative team has in mind. They have said from the get go that bot voting will quickly loose reputation. I believe the activity of being present and active on the platform in human activity is what gets you activity rewards. I suspect that is part of the reason why we are doing kyc, that you get an added reputation boost for proving you are a legit person, not a bot. We don't know enough about moderation yet. Like if...
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