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Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
It seems that the Narrative community is in deep trouble with illegal spam posts and something drastic needs to be done before it is too late. I think it is time to consider the simple step of making everyone certify who they are! This will put an absolute stop to the problems in my opinion. I think that eventually the membership will need certification anyway and now is the best time to put this in place before the damage is irreparable. The certification process is not that difficult and I...
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Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Ted ·
Hi everyone- About a year ago, I started a conversation about potential price points for publication (though we were calling them "brand channels" at the time). Here is that original post: https://community.narrative.org/topic/your-opinion-wanted-price-point-for-brand-channels Even though publications will not be supported initially when we launch the beta, we definitely see them as a huge part of the ecosystem in the future. I'd like to circle back on this to get some fresh feedback. To...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
Perhaps we can even find a way to certify existing members who can't afford the certification price and establish the certification requirement for new members? I think this is the single most important step we can be taking right now.
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J Bandel ·
I know that most corporate decisions come down to the actual cost of implementing them. In this case I suggest that many members of the Narrative community might be able to offset some of the costs of universal certification through Nrve donations and possibly even cash donations if they are approached about it. I know that I would be willing to contribute cash to assist those who can't afford the cost of certification. Existing members could also perhaps work off the cost of certification...
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Antimetica ·
Hi Joe! I'm against mandatory certification. I would have never signed up in the first place if it were. It's not the price of it, either, but philosophical reasons - i.e. "showing your papers" is a demand for my private information and I take it very seriously. I did eventually certify, after evaluating the benefits of it. I believe it is important to find a balance between making it easy for legit new people to publish, and controlling the spam - which everyone is frustrated with. But the...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
ANTIMETICA I love your reply and I share many of your concerns and values or I wouldn't call myself anarchistbanjo! I also respect your choice. I feel that it's a damned if you do and damned if you don't type of choice. So in this case I've put my personal opinions to the side and simply share that I now believe (and I could very well be wrong) that Narrative does need universal certification if it is to survive and I say this for many considerations...not just the spam posts. I also believe...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Malkazoid ·
I know there will be others who will feel like @Antimetica does. Certification is a hurdle on many levels. But I agree we should be seriously considering it as a solution to several problems the platform has been experiencing - problems which are likely to get worse with time, not better. Universal certification is not the only solution, and possibly not the best. But it should be duly listed and weighed against the other solutions, as methodically as possible. From what I can see, at this...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
MALKAZOID My head tells me that you are right, but my heart tells me that we can beat Voice to the punch by getting there first! If we could get ahead of Voice that would be so awesome! It would really put Narrative on the map! So, my head or my heart?
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Robert Nicholson ·
I am curious as to why you think it's important to "beat Voice to the punch"? Why do people have loyalty to Narrative? If Voice - or Okuna or Trybe or Cent or Sapien or Stish - builds a better platform, that's GREAT! I'll happily use it.
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Malkazoid ·
Yes, Voice... My guess is Voice will use a certification process that is less costly than ours - so that would be the first work item if we wanted to beat them to the punch: change our certification process to a more economical one. This would also almost certainly mean a less accurate one, but I do think we can sacrifice a little bit of accuracy. But the biggest problem I see with universal certification is the Narrative Company itself: I don't perceive them as adaptable enough to change...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
Robert Nicholson I am loyal to the brand. It's in my nature and I can't help it. I don't change friends very often either and live a rather boring life...chuckle. There is something almost emotional about my connection with Narrative and I have never found that anywhere else. My heart just tells me that Narrative is sooooo close to finding the winning solution.....maybe just a few changes....
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
Maybe there is a way to encourage certification even while still allowing the normal registration process? Giving added benefits to those that have certified more than what is already there? While limiting the number of posts that are not certified...I really hate that, but if people could use Nrve for the certification process it might work out... I'm just thinking out loud.... maybe someone will come up with a good idea that the team will like....a little brain storming can't hurt and I...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Malkazoid ·
I LOVE that you're participating in the discussion! I think allowing people to certify with NRVE is really needed - a lot of folks support that. The Team let us know that this would require a fair bit of manual effort on their end since they would have to buy USD with the NRVE (Onfido won't take NRVE as a payment, understandably, LOL). In a way, certification would already be part of the posting limits options a lot of folks support. Since you may need to be higher than low rep in order to...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Antimetica ·
Joe, I do think for instance if mandatory certification were implemented right now this minute on the spot, with the flip of a switch, it would stanch the bleeding currently happening with the spam. It's just that in a larger picture one of my primary attractions to cryptocurrency was empowering people worldwide, and moving towards a true global economy. That means, making it accessible to everyone. So my issue is concerned with accessibility to wealth building and economy, and I do think...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
Antimetica What we think does count and I really believe that if we found a good solution the team would recognize it! They've made it clear that they run the show, but they've also made it clear that they are open to suggestions. I think your point about a global economy is vital and important, but perhaps allowing those in 3rd world countries to certify with Nrve is appropriate. Perhaps we should ask people around the world what would be effective ways for each of them to become certified?
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Antimetica ·
Thank you for always being kind, and encouraging I went and looked at our current certification provider, Ofido. You can see the countries they serve and the documents they accept here: https://onfido.com/supported-documents/ We're lucky because we live in a country that accepts 'other documents' meaning they'll take our DL or ID. But look at how many are passport only. I don't know about you, but having looked into the cost of getting a passport, I remember in the US it's like $150 or...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
I remember looking at the different countries when I went through the certification process. It did make me glad that I lived in the United States where I could use my driver's license. And this is a real concern but my question remains valid....each person will need to prove their identity to cash their Nrve. What kind of ID will they use for that? And can we make use of the same ID? Will onfido customize their process for us? How can we make use of the same ID's that people use to create...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Antimetica ·
Just to be clear, but you probably knew this, certification and KYC is not required to withdraw NRVE from the platform into your own personal wallet. Cashing out via an exchange (converting to fiat) Each exchange has different document requirements for their KYC. Bilaxy seems to take many different kinds, for withdrawing level 1, at least a national ID card which is accessible to most people I guess. https://bilaxy.zendesk.com/hc/...60020457811-KYC-FAQs Bilaxy is an exchange so very removed...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

J Bandel ·
Yes, I've never cashed out my Nrve and will need to go through the process some day myself. I do have a coinbase account though and went through that process. So it seems that people need to have at least a national identity card? That should be enough to certify people shouldn't it? I wonder if there are providers that will take national identity cards as certification? So what you are saying is that people with national identity cards can make it through Bilaxy and get crypto exchanged...
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Re: Is it time to certify membership?

Antimetica ·
Yep, you got it right. I'm unsure what other document services are out there. It's pretty wild the different requirements from exchange to another. I wouldn't dismiss Ofido, quickly. Colleen said they are based in the UK which gave her confidence over privacy concerns, and she's right - UK based businesses are held to a high standard to ensure privacy practices. Bilaxy is in Asia, I'm so sorry I'm not specific, as I'm not versed in Asian languages, and oddly, I can't find a physical address...
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks for the Cash App heads up @Antimetica !
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Antimetica ·
No problem! There is a fees of course through this whole thing, which is annoying but Cash App helps shave off a little in fees you would have in Coinbase. Using the O3 Neo Mobile wallet- I've sold the NRVE for NEO (Switcheo exchange fee), then swap the NEO for BTC (ChangeNow fee) - in that Swap wizard deposit to address: form, I put my Cash App BTC address. So the swapped BTC goes to the Cash App at that point. Then I sell the BTC within the Cash App (free/no fee), and deposit to my fiat...
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Emily Barnett ·
hmmmmm....I have thought a lot about this and i still don't have a good handle on it. When i look at Patreaon, it is free to get involved, and they take a portion of what is earned. The risk for investment is much higher on this one, because so much content is for free on Narrative and you are only wanting to accept fiat as the subscription fee (I think I read that, pls correct me if I am wrong). I think it would be a lot healthier model if the community could subscribe with their earned...
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Ted ·
@Emily Barnett - Re your first point... just want to make sure it is clear that publications do not have to institute any kind of paywall. By default, all content in a publication would be free. All I was saying that we would support the ability to have premium content in a publication (for those that want to try it as a revenue model). The nice thing about our premium model is that you can determine which pieces of content are free or premium... meaning that you can determine what...
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Emily Barnett ·
@Ted But just so I understand, if a publication doesn't have any paywalls, it doesn't earn any rewards. Correct? So why would someone pay anything on this platform to not make a source of income. that seems like a really bad investment. No? Am I not getting something, here?
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Ted ·
There are no "ownership" rewards, like we offer for niches, but as I mentioned in my point #6 above, the publication owners control ownership rights over the content posted to the publication. That means that they control what percentage of the content creator rewards generated by the publication content is retained by the authors. Thus, one publication may allow its creators to retain 100% of their creator rewards, some may take a percentage (say 50%), and some may go so far as to take 100%...
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Ted ·
Also, there will likely be a way for publications to sell their own ads on their content.
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Malkazoid ·
Wow - ok... I'm realizing I never took the time to understand publications properly. This may well have been very clear all along but it is much clearer to me now. Publications are much more interesting than I thought! I hope not too many people misunderstood things the way I did, because if so, we have to find a way for this to be more readily absorbed by folks. The way you explained it here was very helpful.
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Emily Barnett ·
@Ted I am feeling confused....so much to try and remember. SO I assumed after I read the blog post about Premium memberships to publications that the only revenues that a publication can earn is the memberships. But what you are saying here is that a publication ALSO gets paid the 60% of a content writers reward pool? What about the Moderator's rewards? And it is up to the owner to then determine how much they want to pay out the moderator and content makers for their work. Which in theory...
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Emily Barnett ·
I don't think you are alone in not understanding it. I think that there needs to be ONE document from the @Narrative that out lines it all at once. You have two documents on totally different platforms, community thread and Medium, and months apart (June and January), laying out the details of publications. If both me and @Malkazoid were not super clear on the rewarding mechanics of publications, I guarantee there are many others who don't.
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Ted ·
Publications are not niches, so Niche Owner rewards and Niche Moderator rewards do not apply. Publication owners will be able to earn money in these ways: 1. Share in Content Creator rewards. As I mentioned above, the owner determines how much of the content creator rewards they will earn (if any). By default, they will earn none of the creator rewards, so they will have consciously take action to tap into those rewards. 2. Advertising. Publication owners may optionally run their own ads on...
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Ted ·
We are not supporting publications initially, so we are not too concerned with how we promote them yet. That will be more important once we line it up for actual release as a feature.
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Emily Barnett ·
that does help @Ted . I have always understood that a publication was not a niche. But i did not understand that content on a publication still can earn it's 60% of the reward pool and that it is up to the owner to potentially negotiate a percentage of it. So now I have a much better handle on it. So, making it crystal clear for anyone else coming along. A publication could in theory negotiate with a content maker for say 30% of their rewards earned on the publication with no exclusivity...
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Ted ·
1. What do you mean by "magazine"? Are you just talking about publications in general? TBD on how we promote them, but the content itself would be fully integrated like all other content. Narrators could follow publications and thus have the content pulled into their personal content streams. 2. Publication fee payment methods likely will be the same as for niches - NRVE and fiat options. 3. All publication owner fees will go into Narrative Rewards pool.
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Emily Barnett ·
So finally answering your question, @Ted i think the structure that you added in the specification is pretty good. I think you should increase the basic level. (not a fan of the name...maybe Emerging sounds better) maybe something like $150 - 200 paid for in fiat or NRVE. and I would increase the number of content creators from 10 up to 15. and ad an extra few guest content posts. Business level ( I like Intermediate) i would do $450-500 and i would do a few less guest posts per month, and...
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Malkazoid ·
The part that I find a bit strange is that it looks like only the Enterprise level can share in content creator revenue? Why is that a good idea? I feel like all Publications would benefit from being able to do this, and restricting it to Enterprise level creates an unnecessary barrier to entry. With the creator revenue sharing, there's a clear path to viability. Without it, there isn't. If you are just trying to create value for the Enterprise level subscription, why not distinguish it with...
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Emily Barnett ·
I am just guessing here, @Ted would certainly have to clarify, but i assumed from what he said in this post that this meant it was up to the publication owner to negotiate the rate, and that the platform would not divide rewards up...content creators would have to send their share over to the publication via tips maybe. and that Enterprise level the system does support the payment split. If I am interpreting this table correctly. It does leave the two lower levels really at a risky place for...
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Ted ·
Re: "Share in Content Creator Revenue"-- This a feature we plan to support for publications (though potentially not for all plans, as shown in the old proposed plan summary) whereby a publication can take all or a portion of the content creator rewards for content posted to the publication. It is not a negotiated rate-- it is a percentage set by the publication itself for all content posted to that publication. The use case there is a brand or other large company that is already paying its...
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Vico Biscotti ·
@Ted , I think publications would be a very welcome feature. I come from Medium, and the vast majority of editors there are in search of an alternative - within a community - because publications on Medium are just a toy, with no tools. I think there is a difference between editors with curation purposes and business brands. Editors with publishing purposes want a topic to be well curated (at least when the publication is still not a business) and, usually, don't have great resources. They...
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Vico Biscotti ·
@Ted , one thing is not clear to me (maybe to others?) is the possible exclusivity between niches and publications, or between publications. Maybe three niches plus one possible (more?) publication is the model, for a single piece? Will be "multi-publishing" on more publications allowed or just republishing? That's an important point when evaluating what owning a publication on Narrative means.
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Ted ·
Hi @Vico Biscotti - ANY piece of content in Narrative can be associated with niches. The whole point of niches is to correlate content with specific subjects to allow people to easily find content that matches their own interests. And even for content posted to a publication, that applies. After all, if I have a publication, I want it to attract an audience. Niches help expand the audience base for everyone. The only major rule is that a piece of content cannot be posted to both a personal...
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Re: Publication Price Points (Revisited)

Ted ·
@Vico Biscotti - agree about Medium. We originally put Narrative's blog there (because Narrative did not exist yet) and watched as they kept stripping away features (including support for custom domains). I'm not sure why any business would want to set up a blog on Medium now, especially since it is paywalled so extensively. With Narrative, they will have the control they desire, but also have the opportunity to promote to a growing audience and earn revenue in a transparent environment.
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