Tagged With "reputation"

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Thinking Reputation and Human Behavior

Bryan ·
I’ve been thinking about reputation all night. Literally. Before you read any further, take one quick second to think about your definition of the word reputation . I looked it up in the dictionary mostly to make sure that I was referring to it correctly. I was surprised to find that my definition of reputation , or at least its reputation in my mind, did not quite match up. It is defined by the New Oxford English Dictionary as: It comes from the Latin reputare which means to “ think over ”.
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mrgoodsett ·
I'm thinking about CHIMING in on your post!!!
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Harj ·
Love this post Bryan just Retweeted it! Never realised there was so many different types of reputation, got me wondering which one am I ??? But its a great way to really seperate quality and reward the ones that make effort.
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YOUR REPUTATION GOING UP : ) OR NOT : (

Harj ·
A important part of your experience on Narrative is your Reputation. Your have a Reputation Score that is based on all of the actions taken by you a bit like in The good place (On netflix!! love it). : ) remember Eleanor Shellstrop! Anyway all content is rated based on your opinions, your reputation always influences Content Ratings. And how your content is rated impacts your reputation. (Still with me ?) This way your reputation reflects the actions you make, as well as how others perceive...
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Re: Distinctions

Malkazoid ·
An obvious category of distinctions is content distinctions. For a given day, week, month or year, algorithms could determine, or propose for voting, candidates who have distinguished themselves through the quality of their contributions. This could be broken down into categories such as 'originality', 'popularity', 'hilarity', 'outside the box'... etc... For the higher frequency awards, algorithms would by necessity bear the brunt of determining those who receive distinctions... but for the...
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Distinctions

Malkazoid ·
In another thread, we've been considering the reputation system in an open ended way. One of the engaging aspects of reputation in the real world is that it is complex - it can be built in many ways. I think Narrative will benefit and become more sticky as an ecosystem, if the ways in which reputation can be built are varied. Please contribute any ideas you have here, about ways in which members can earn distinctions that enhance reputation. The weighting of these distinctions would be the...
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Re: Distinctions

Malkazoid ·
Would it make sense for the owner of a niche to be able to positively rate content posted to their niche in certain ways - perhaps moderators of the niche as well? This wouldn't be targeted at reducing someone's reputation for posting inappropriately: a niche owner simply wouldn't approve such content, or it would be moderated in some way by the moderators. But it could be good for niche owners and moderators of the niches to be able to enhance reputation by rating highly the content that...
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ClosetCrypto ·
Love it @Malkazoid Always appreciate your discussions and comments. I have been thinking quite a bit on this subject, especially after @Michael Farris mentioned the Holy Trinity in MMO and the possibility of incorporating those concepts into a reputation system. Personally, I love that idea. That being said, I have absolutely no idea how complex designing/creating a reputation system based on that model would be for Narrative. Since I cannot compensate for my lack of technical expertise in...
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Re: Distinctions

Malkazoid ·
Woohoo! Thanks! So - I think you guys are really on to something here... Gamifying the community in this way is exactly the kind of complexity I was bumbling towards, in order for people to feel engaged by the reputation system. I'm not entirely sure where the specifics of the Holy Trinity come into play though? Is there a notion here of there being some correlation in content creation, for the Tank, the Healer and the Damage Dealer? Or are we talking more loosely, in terms of determining...
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ClosetCrypto ·
This is great! I definitely used the Holy Trinity terminology incorrectly when using it to describe classes. Just learned about it yesterday I now realize the Holy Trinity describes how the 3 main classes of MMO's work together to compensate for each others weakness rather than describing classes themselves. That being said, I LOVE your idea @Malkazoid of incorporating our own Holy Trinity of sorts. In this way we can compensate for each others weakness while allowing our strengths to...
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Bryan ·
I was thinking along the same lines re: Holy Trinity of MMOs—I referenced a way to differentiate storytelling in film: Entertainment, Propaganda, Dialog in an earlier post. Combined with this discussions identification of the different roles that people will play in the generation of content—perhaps we need different methods for scoring these different types of participation in Narrative. The L ikers/Chimers get very low points for low effort contribution. Click. The Responders get higher...
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ClosetCrypto ·
Attached is a very basic example of how we could gamify the reputation system. I put in a couple of different items one could complete in order to gain experience which in turn would increase or "level up" their reputation ranking. Each reputation level could be the basis on how a member receives a portion of the rewards. Starting to run out of steam so would love some input and feedback.
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Michael Farris ·
Thanks for this. A couple of things. I'm participating with two hats on. One as a narrative team guy who will have to hack out solutions to "reputation" in real world code and all its attendant compromises. AND the academic Michael with deep roots in building models for how we "know" things. So even I am head over heels on a concept, it may not make it to code.... That said, I am encouraged that you get my thoughts on MMO and Holy Trinity as a modeling new approach to reputation.
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ClosetCrypto ·
Thanks for the feedback @Michael Farris Like I stated earlier, I have absolutely no technical background for coding so I have the freedom to blissfully think anything is possible Also the book @Malkazoid was referencing I believe is The Tipping Point. https://www.amazon.com/Tipping...-ebook/dp/B000OT8GD0 I have not read it myself but am eager to do so now.
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Malkazoid ·
Yes, that's the one. Great read, and I think you'll find it a valuable inspiration for the Narrative challenges ahead!
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ClosetCrypto ·
Just ordered it
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Bryan ·
Profoundly simple. Here are two of my favorite lines from the movie, Harvey , by Elwood P. Dowd, played by Jimmy Stewart. And another one And if you liked those, there are a few more gems to be had at GoodReads .
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Reputation with NRVE holders

jcalumpit ·
I have brought up this topic a few times in the telegram group and some had agreed to what I was suggesting. I have seen how the reputation mechanics will work. I didn't see holding NRVE on the list. Maybe give more reasons for content creators to hold their NRVE. Not everyone will want to have their own niche. By giving incentives to hold NRVE in your wallet, this will increase the total holders of NRVE. Which will allow the value to grow. As I see it, if content creator won't buy niches,...
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Re: Reputation with NRVE holders

jcalumpit ·
I get why this is not getting replies now. Read something about the amount of NRVE has no weight at all or no influence on your reputation.
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Gerbino ·
I get what you're saying. I think coming up with as many within the ecosystem ways to encourage holding is the way the Team wants to go. If you could think of some killer ones (other than influencing reputation), I'm sure the Team would be grateful Maybe you could get a discount on NTV purchases using NRVE for example.
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jcalumpit ·
I cant think of any right now but I will tell everyone once somethinc comes up. If ever this gets put up, maybe just a small portion will consist of how much NRVE you are holding. 5-10% weight.
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[email protected] ·
I like the idea and a way to make users hold on to NRVE could be that using/keeping the NRVEs within the network, would be calculated into your overall reputation (2-5%). The amount of NRVE you hold should not matter on the reputation (holding one NRVE gives the same percentage as holding 1.000 NRVE). I think it should be time limit, maybe after the beta launch and a half year forward.
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Emily Barnett ·
Tough one. I get the importance of keeping NRVE in the system. But I also really like that the team is sticking to the principle that reputation is gained by creating great content. I guess the best strategy is for us to get as many people in our outside network to join the platform, so that we increase the critical mass quickly, and entice advertisers. Therefore we continually replenishing the network NRVE tokens.
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Niche validation voting, and reputation

Malkazoid ·
Hello @Narrative Network Team Voting for the niches is becoming quite time consuming especially if we want to leave informative comments for any downvotes, or a controversial upvote. And yet the community must do this in order for the platform to work. 1) This may already be the case, but in case it isn't, I propose that the voting activity from the outset of the Chaucer Alpha be taken into account in the initial reputation scoring when the platform launches. This way the people putting...
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Whitmal ·
HI Since they want good content maybe keeping it the way it is will drive people to take their time and post well written descriptions.
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Re: Niche validation voting, and reputation

Dr. Rick ·
I agree with a lot of what you are saying @Malkazoid , if I down vote a niche, I certainly want to give the creator a reason why which of course takes time. I also worry that when the volume of niche's increases I may simply miss a good niche and not give a vote to it. I think the idea of rewarding those taking the time to vote and thus putting the effort in is a good one. I also think having a scoring system also is good although I'm not sure of penalising those users that vote against the...
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Re: Niche validation voting, and reputation

Emily Barnett ·
Thank you for posting this @Malkazoid I intended to post a similar post, but wanted to wait until my niche selection was done. I think the time invested for voting must be counted towards ones community reputation. If you spend time pitching in to build all the houses in a community, you should get recognition for doing so. Following the same analogy...if you show up to build those houses and you don't know what you are doing, or worse yet have malicious intent, which results in making other...
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Re: Niche validation voting, and reputation

Dr. Rick ·
Another idea I had for speeding up the voting process when you wanted to leave a comment perhaps would be have a multiple choice of boiler plate reason why you up\down vote (duplicate, not inappropriate etc.) or more vote button rather than Yes/No, e.g. No Duplicate, No Inappropriate etc.
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Dr. Rick ·
Yes that works for me. Perhaps also ... No - other "fill in blank" too ?
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Emily Barnett ·
Maybe just No --dupicate of "fill in the blank" No--offensive to the community
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Bryan ·
Or... Abstain -- need more information, vague description, poorly written, etc.
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Re: YOUR REPUTATION GOING UP : ) OR NOT : (

Whitmal ·
hi I'll risk mine to voice my concern over Bitebtc. I am nonplussed with the decision to list there.
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Emily Barnett ·
I am curious to know, and have asked the question previously if and how our community reputation will be ported over to our Chaucer profiles, since the two are not connected.
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Michael Farris ·
Very likely not. There will be an entirely new reputation engine in Narrative so porting over ranking from here isn't realistic and probably not fair to newbies coming into Narrative. For example, once this first airdrop is done for Community participation we will simply reset everyone to zero to start over in phase 2. That gives people who have joined recently a chance to join in on an equal footing. BTW -- one very large difference between this Hoop.la ranking/ points system and Narrative...
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Malkazoid ·
Me too... And while we're asking this again, I'd like to know whether the system will reflect the effort folks put into voting and commenting on niches as well? It would be good to motivate everyone to take part in that.
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Malkazoid ·
Is it not a good exchange? Sorry, not super well-versed in all the exchanges. Can you say more?
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Malkazoid ·
I can see how ranking won't make sense in the release reputation system, but surely some of the work folks are doing here will translate into some aspect of that new system? Speaking of fairness - I don't think newbies would be too concerned over people already having established reputations if they have been around for many months longer than them. That's the nature of things - newcomers have to prove themselves, old timers already have. The unfair thing would be to wipe the slate...
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Malkazoid ·
I agree with Emily. A small difference - I was aware that the ranking system would not carry over into the actual Narrative platform. But several community members (myself included) had expressed a while back that it would make little sense if the platform launched without extracting some form of basis for reputation from the very important activity that takes place up until launch. I had assumed that our user accounts on the main platform would indeed be credited with some form of...
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Emily Barnett ·
Actually based on your answer @Michael Farris i don't see the logic why porting over this forums points isn't likely...quite the opposite. You say that your score is based on time and behavior, but then you say that to be fair to newbies everyone will be reset to zero. This seems hypocritical. So what you are saying, is that the people whom have just put in a massive amount of time to help build this community on this forum, that it just doesn't count for anything? How is that logical or...
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Emily Barnett ·
Well I am guilty of making this assumption. However like you @Malkazoid I am wary of the pitfalls in assumption, which is why I asked this question weeks ago on another thread and got no response. Hence, I asked the question again today. I doubt I am alone in my misunderstanding. But even if you did know, that does not dismiss the hypocrisy. If this forum was filled with fluff content, I could see why they are unwilling to assign reputation based on it. But that is not the case. The majority...
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Michael Farris ·
I'll stay with the statement that reputation is such a different beast in Narrative that there is nowhere to plug in something like 5743 points and #18 in ranking. Anything bodged together to try will fail and occasion complaints. Better to start afresh. Think of it like starting college in the fall. All your grades and awards from high school? Something to be proud of, of course. But the first day of classes is the same for all. You build your reputation in the new system from there. Trust...
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Emily Barnett ·
@Michael Farris I appreciate your observation, that I and others have an immense headstart. I have been putting my energy into building my reputation on this platform, and I have been taking it away from other platforms, both centralized and decentralized, in an effort to significantly strengthen that headstart. Hence my sharp response. Unfortunately I don't agree with your analogy. You see I am not starting "college" in Q4. I actually started "college" in Q1, and you just told me that my...
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Emily Barnett ·
My post asking the core team about porting reputation to Chaucer. It had six likes so clearly other people may not be clear that the reputation on the community board has nothing to do with a person's reputation on Chaucer. There was no reply from the core team, or any community member, about my question. I have read a lot of what has been written about Narrative including the section on the 200,000 NRVE token give away. A lot. I did not read that the points earned on the community forum DO...
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Michael Farris ·
Sorry - we're now arguing an analogy so I'll stop now. Please also be careful with hypocrisy related language.
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Soňa ·
Hello everyone, well this was certainly a little unexpected.... I will not elaborate on fairness points because they were quite well stated by @Emily Barnett and @Malkazoid . I agree with both of you. I also didn't expect the ranking to be 100% transported to beta but I expected there would be some sort of continuity, relationship. As it was mentioned some people spent a lot of time and energy on this and it would be only natural to reward them somehow since this is kind of system that...
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Emily Barnett ·
No @Michael Farris we are not arguing an analogy. We are discussing the teams decision that our activity ie. the content that we have been contributing to cannot possibly be ported to our chaucer reputation. This is now the second time that you have dismissed me, and given me warnings to stop expressing my view point on this community forum, because they seemingly differ from your own. I have given nothing but thoughtful observations that are from my perspective. I have been extremely...
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Emily Barnett ·
@Soňa and @Malkazoid thank you for voicing your concerns as well. I think that if the @Narrative Network Team can create a disruptor social media platform that rewards people financially for it's activity and to create a reputation system, it can surely come up with a way to credit some of the work that we have already been contributing over to our chaucer reputation, even if it is by human evaluation. It isn't hard to figure out who has been providing quality content in an effort to build...
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Banter ·
I think this makes a lot of sense. Thanks for taking the time to illuminate some of the details about reputation going forward. The people contributing a ton right now will reap the benefit through the 200k NRVE rewards....I think that is more than fair.
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Brian Lenz ·
Hi all, I just wanted to drop in and add a bit of background from a technical perspective. In order to provide context, I need to first reiterate that the platform we are using here ( Hoop.la ) is an online community platform. It's really nothing like what Narrative is going to be. What we are using here is a traditional discussion forum to discuss ideas and share inspiration, which is quite different from the long-form content platform Narrative will be. Hoop.la has a primitive points and...
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks @Emily Barnett . You are voicing this in a way I believe represents the very natural concern every person who has been engaged in helping Narrative probably feels at this point. @Brian Lenz - thanks for the in depth explanation. It is helpful to know these things. Unfortunately there is a flaw in your approach. Fortunately (for me), it is a very easy one to communicate, so I won't have to expend too much effort doing so. I earn more money in the real world than any NRVE reward that...
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