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NETWORK REWARDS

Harj ·
I love the idea as outlined by Ted in his whitepaper that the lifeblood of the network is the Network Rewards fund. All revenue generated by the network (excluding Fiat Conversion Fees), including new token generation (after the genesis token generation event), advertising sales, channel ownership fees, is always included in the Network Rewards fund and this fund is distributed on a recurring basis. That to me sounds like a amazing way for Narrative to have a strong base or support and...
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Harj ·
Thank you Dinuxen, Yes and the kicker is you dont even need a crypto wallet, you can get your rewards paid in Fiat if you wish : )
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Dinuxen ·
Yes main part of the project is the network so we want keep motivate to build up the project, Great Idea !!!
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Akshay Shinde ·
Yeah Narrative Platform has mind-blowing concept which they are paying us rewards points for sharing our thoughts on Narrative forum
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Malkazoid ·
It is going to be a fascinating process to see these rewards start to flow, and watch them respond to our communal efforts to improve Narrative content. Everything else put aside, it is fascinating in its own right to get to experience this play by play, from the beginning. In fewer words: I'm digging the journey. Onwards!
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Re: Advertising, Medium, Facebook and the Sea Change that is amongst us.

Kyle Kidd ·
I agree it'd be nice to give people the option to see ads or not using paid subscriptions, although I don't think that will be the determining factor of success for a social media platform. The nice thing about Narrative niches is that relevant ads can be shown there without having to collect any personal information on the users viewing it. In my opinion, most people are concerned with their personally identifiable information being (mis)used without their knowledge as well as not being...
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Advertising, Medium, Facebook and the Sea Change that is amongst us.

Emily Barnett ·
Hi All, I know there has been a lot of comparison of Narrative to the platform Medium, both in the elegant format, but also for the quality of content that is on it. Bamm. that is what sold me on Narrative ...well that and that content creators get paid, (although I do think some people get paid on medium too) I was just over there reading articles. I also have spent the last few days watching the Zuckerberg congressional hearings (not just the highlights, the whole thing, phew) and couple...
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Re: Advertising, Medium, Facebook and the Sea Change that is amongst us.

MichelleG ·
So, here is my two cents on this, for what it's worth: 1) Something "feeling" free makes it easier to try for new users. 2) Even if an fee for no ads is totally optional and low, it's still a "fee," which is psychologically bad. Just its existence is negative in the beginning. 3) So I'd wait till a substantial user base was built up and maybe even was clamoring for it before adding that feature. 4) To the extent we have information about the current vision for how ad placement might work, it...
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Re: Advertising, Medium, Facebook and the Sea Change that is amongst us.

Kyle Kidd ·
@Emily Barnett Good point - I think the current plan is to support content creators based on some kind of voting/tipping, but other models might also work well. I've been thinking of how the team might generate value/revenue for the NRVE token to encourage both users and contributors to hold onto them. One way I've seen it happen is through burning coins as a fee on various transactions within the platform. Taking coins out of circulation would essentially equally distribute that value to...
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Re: Advertising, Medium, Facebook and the Sea Change that is amongst us.

Emily Barnett ·
@Kyle Kidd I agree that peoples personal data is the most important concern of people. I do think subscriptions could be a profitable thing to get into...but maybe not as much as advertising. Unless it becomes the new expectation set by facebook. I am a big fan of Patreon and so many millennial's are into supporting platforms and favorite content makers. So it might be worth it for the Core Team to look at a two revenue system. Although maybe they did already and didn't find it advantageous.
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Emily Barnett ·
@Kyle Kidd oh I think the reward system is fantastic as it is....I just mean't that the subscription could be another layer to generate revenue for the content makers. Likewise the additional subscriptions fees would possible need to go through the Core Teams exchange fee for fiat to NRV tokens so it would be a win win for all.
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Re: Advertising, Medium, Facebook and the Sea Change that is amongst us.

Jeroenski74 ·
@MichelleG totally agree, social platforms are big because they're initially free, when big enough the ads/fees come, that the model used...until...maybe we should learn from the story shared with us by @Dennis of content creator Joel Spolsky https://www.joelonsoftware.com...-stack-overflow-age/ He tried to solve the problem of a sustainable questions/answers website without ads or fees just by combining demand and supply in this case job listings and software developers. Here you could...
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Re: Advertising, Medium, Facebook and the Sea Change that is amongst us.

Emily Barnett ·
Thank you @MichelleG and @Jeroenski74 very good insights as well. I am sure that the core team hashed all these things out, but social media...well all things internet, are changing at breakneck speed these days. I think it is wise to debate things, and this community so far is such a respectful place to toss ideas up in the air and have so many points of view describe them!
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Dennis ·
I also like Patreon idea, but then decentralized so that data is secure and owned by the creator. Watch this vid of NEO conference Amsterdam. It is the essence of why we do this. nOS announcement
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Emily Barnett ·
BAAMM! Well that is inspiring! Thanks for the link @Dennis Thanks for seeing what I see about subscriptions. I do see the previous point made, of attracting people first....but also the flip side to that position, is people don't like mid-stream change either. I believe that in the future advertisements will be only for people who choose not to pay for and ad-free experience... its coming. Like television vs Netflix I think 2019 will see a lot of social media implement tiered advertisement...
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Re: Advertising, Medium, Facebook and the Sea Change that is amongst us.

Rosemary ·
All of the revenue from advertising (when it comes to Narrative) will go into the rewards pool, to be divided up for everyone (see the pie below)! Let's make a huge pie.
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Re: Advertising, Medium, Facebook and the Sea Change that is amongst us.

Whitmal ·
That is a great model and I’m hoping to be a niche owner soon. Thank you ! On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 12:54 PM Narrative Community < [email protected] > wrote:
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Re: Advertising, Medium, Facebook and the Sea Change that is amongst us.

Whitmal ·
Hi, If I own a niche and the traffic of the niche is high enough to support advertisements will I be a cut of the advertising? Whit
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Emad ·
very good project
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Re: An interesting case of niche overlap

Rosemary ·
I think we can support both, especially since content can be submitted to multiple niches.
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An interesting case of niche overlap

Malkazoid ·
Suggested in fairly quick succession, these two niches seem to have just the right (or wrong) amount of overlap to make an interesting case study in how different two niches need to be in order to be considered unique enough for Narrative to benefit from having both. Algorithmic Art (submitted first) https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/22568778465722584 and Generative art https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/25524374813357414 They are different: generative art is more inclusive and includes...
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Re: An interesting case of niche overlap

pbock ·
I may be biased, given I am now the happy owner of Algorithmic Art , but here's my logic: On the one hand, the two niches seem to be very similar, both focusing on sharing art created using algorithms and discussiong the methods employed. On the other hand, the Generative Art niche isn't just a sub-niche of Algorithmic Art, given it also includes the use of organic (AKA. non computer-based) processes, and thus has more scope in that particular direction, while excluding some techniques and...
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M ·
Fantastic Pbock - I think you understand well how niche uniqueness works!
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General Thoughts and critique on Narrative

Peter Wagner ·
After a few days I got a some feelings I want to share about narrative. Maybe some of you can tell me something comforting or explain some stuff to me, since I am very new to all of that. First of all: I don't like the bidding system. It is not transparent. Who bids for what? How do prices emerge? Who gets the money? And for what does someone get the money? Next thing: I don't like is the NRVE oder creditcard payment system. In order to get NRVE (the way narrative.org suggests) you pay fees...
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Re: General Thoughts and critique on Narrative

Jayme Soulati ·
I just want to acknowledge your concerns, comments and time to share them because many of the points you make are ditto for me, although I already own a handful of niches to get in early. I cannot comment or clarify your points as I'm new, too, but I'm eager to hear from @Malkazoid and @David Dreezer who seem to have the major pulse of this platform and community. So, thanks for putting it all out there to open discussion. My experience with buying NRVE failed due to a bank issue and a...
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Gord ·
Welcome @peter.wagner! Have you read the Specs ? A lot of your questions are answered there.
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Rosemary ·
First, thank you for such an in-depth and considered set of questions/critiques! Every new person who joins the community brings a new perspective, and that's so valuable to us as we build this platform. I think @Malkazoid knocked it out of the park in terms of his responses (I think I would have said almost the same thing, and I'm so appreciative of his knowledge and support). Since we're building a platform that is self-governed, it's especially important for the community to discuss these...
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Jayme Soulati ·
So, @Peter Wagner , I'm hoping after the immediate and thorough responses you've received from the Founders and leaders that you're feeling more at ease to jump in with us? (I'm merely a member.) I am in awe of the time @Malkazoid spends commenting on these threads with such ease, information, and clarity. It gives me great comfort and excitement knowing that I'm on the ground floor of something new with such a team leading the way and giving the entire community an opportunity to be heard...
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks @Jayme Soulati and @Rosemary ! I'll be redundant in this role once Narrative gains more momentum and its paradigm becomes more familiar to all. Looking forward to that! In the meantime, I'm happy to help in anyway I can.
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Re: General Thoughts and critique on Narrative

Peter Wagner ·
@Jayme Soulati Yes I am usually lazy and lose interest when things on the internet seem absurd. But this time I was so intrigued by the general idea that I just had to. And from computer games I learned that as much feedback as possible is the only helpful thing to the creators in the Alpha + the community that is maybe too polite not to ask or talk about their feelings. Across the internet you often stumble across this "rant" posts that turn out to be most helpful because the creators can...
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Peter Wagner ·
@Jayme Soulati Yes I feel so much better now. Thank you. I can just agree on what @Rosemary said: @Malkazoid you have such a good way of explaining and creating an atmosphere of trust. Thank you very much for putting all this time and effort! Also thanks to anyone else who contributed. You got this one . Have a productive week!
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Re: General Thoughts and critique on Narrative

Jayme Soulati ·
Thank you @Peter Wagner for raising such important concerns. Because you stuck your neck out, I learned tremendously from the responses. As a new member, it's easier to take a back seat, and you did not. Says a lot about you, and I, in particular, learned H.U.G.E.
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Jayme Soulati ·
See? I learned AGAIN/MORE from you, @Peter Wagner . <3
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks for the candid observations and commentary, Peter. I am not staff, but I can help address some of your questions. You can see who bids on auctions. The following auction page is an example: currently there is one bid, and the person who made it is visible: https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...on/11309083445700505 Prices (starting bids) are based on 75 USD - whatever the USD to NRVE rate is when the auction starts determines the cost of the first bid in NRVE. I've made the suggestion that...
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Re: General Thoughts and critique on Narrative

Robert Nicholson ·
@Malkazoid - a 15% "service fee" to use a credit card is ridiculous. This is not a matter of "passing on bank fees," which are typically 3-5%
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Re: General Thoughts and critique on Narrative

Emily Barnett ·
The service fee is your choice if you don't want to deal in cryptocurrency. That is a wonderful option that opens the doors up for people whom are not in the crypto community, or choose not to learn how to navigate the crypto economy. This is very fair--a and cannot be compared to a 3-5% bank fee, since other decentralized, crypto tokenized platforms don't even offer a fiat payment option. Learning how to operate in crypto can save you this fee. Many of us have done this and I am sure there...
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Malkazoid ·
I don't disagree that it is high, but it seems to be standard across many such service providers of online credit card processing. Have a look around at various exchanges that allow payment via credit card. I'm no expert though. It is possible that we're also paying a little for the overhead of what Narrative has to do behind the scenes, when we purchase with USD. They have to purchase NRVE with those funds.
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Emily Barnett ·
Well @Robert Nicholson , good thing you are not the only person on this platform with an opinion! A great many people here, I would even venture to say the majority of (at least the early adopters of Narrative), are amongst the 5-8% crypto-users, and many understand the necessity of tokenizing the platform. But to each their own. Your choice of words, seems to imply a tone of premature bitterness, for someone only in this community for 7 days, especially with your reference to your fellow...
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Christina Gleason ·
I'm not exactly FOND of the 15% convenience fee for the fiat option, but in my amateur attempts to learn about trading crypto, I could just as easily lose more than 15% making poor crypto exchange decision because I can't wrap my brain around how trading works. For people like me who are pretty clueless about crypto, a 15% fee is less risky than figuring out when to buy ETH or BTC to exchange for NRVE, and WHEN to exchange those base currencies for NRVE. Would I rather it be a 5-10% fee...
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Gord ·
What do you propose would be better?
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Robert Nicholson ·
I have used cryptocurrencies. That makes me one of the 5-8% of Americans who have. Narrative has created an unnecessary barrier to adoption. The use of a cryptocurrency provides no benefit to me as a user, and it's ridiculous to charge a fee that far exceeds actually costs to a user who chooses not to drink the kool-aid.
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Robert Nicholson ·
So why is the use of cryptocurrencies important to a social platform? Because as I see it, if you took that entirely out of the equation, it would not change the basic value proposition of the site. When you are building a business that you want to be broadly adopted, you focus on doing one or two things really well. You don't throw in extraneous things that will get in the way of adoption. Now, let's talk about the revenue sharing. That seems to be the core value proposition of Narrative.
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Re: General Thoughts and critique on Narrative

Emily Barnett ·
@Robert Nicholson Not everybody is you. Many people are making content right now on other platforms and getting nothing. Posting their content here in conjunction with their youtube channels, their instagram pages, their blogs, doesn't hurt anything does it? True some will make very little here, others will do well. It is a speculation of time for some, money for others, and still some others both. There are already other models in the crypto social platform in existence, albeit somewhat...
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Emily Barnett ·
You mention the value in billions of page views. Later this year, after beta rolls out they are implementing advertising on the platform. It is a crucial part of the rewards pool. All advertising, with the exception of the 15% exchanging fee goes directly into the rewards pool to be divided up pro rata. You diminish the value of content, but I ask how does a page get views with out it? Last time I checked most people don't watch tv for the commercials...they watch for the content. Content...
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Re: General Thoughts and critique on Narrative

Robert Nicholson ·
@Emily Barnett - I typed a long reply last night, and somehow deleted it, but I think it's important to discuss, so I'll try to recreate it. Please understand that this is a discussion of opportunities and risks for the platform. Narrative needs to succeed as a business, and in order to do that, it needs to articulate a clear value proposition for various different communities: Advertisers Advertisers want to be able to target their ads. The more precise the targeting, the more they will...
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Emily Barnett ·
Hi @Robert Nicholson This is a a discussion of opportunities and risks for the platform, as you see it. Where I am taking issues, is that you seem to be stating your initial observations like they are the inevitable trajectories for this platform. You don't know that, and you don't have all the information on what the Narrative team does or doesn't have under way. None of us do. I am going to address the crypto part, because it is bothering me the most about your posts: What I like most...
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Christina Gleason ·
Re: Crypto as a barrier. I don't "get" crypto. I don't "get" the stock market either. But I do know that crypto can be turned into real money that I can use to pay my bills. Getting paid in crypto is a new concept to me, but THAT'S THE PLATFORM. I'll probably never truly understand how crypto works, but I plan on reading up enough to figure out how to turn it into...fiat. (Calling USD fiat also seems weird to me, but I'm trying to learn the "language" about crypto.) I signed up for Narrative...
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MOLLY O ·
@Christina Gleason . I put that how to guide on our list of to-dos for post beta launch.
Suggestion

Relations between niches

Vico Biscotti ·
Some niches are a generalization of sub-niches, while others are clearly a specialization, so a sub-niche. Having the possibility to explicit those relationships (or automatically build them by AI) would help to navigate niches, both when discovering and when suggesting new niches. Having this "graph" of relations would allow navigating a tree of niches. Without that, having a list of niches would be useless because we would have a very long and scattered list.
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Re: Relations between niches

David Dreezer ·
Hi, A good idea. A Niche Map is both referred to in the spec and on the roadmap. There has been no E.T.A. posted for the addition of that Map yet, but a discussion of how it would work was posted by Ted, here . https://spec.narrative.org/doc...ction-niche-map-tbd- https://about.narrative.org/as...arrative-roadmap.pdf
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