Tagged With "generated"

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NETWORK REWARDS

Harj ·
I love the idea as outlined by Ted in his whitepaper that the lifeblood of the network is the Network Rewards fund. All revenue generated by the network (excluding Fiat Conversion Fees), including new token generation (after the genesis token generation event), advertising sales, channel ownership fees, is always included in the Network Rewards fund and this fund is distributed on a recurring basis. That to me sounds like a amazing way for Narrative to have a strong base or support and...
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Advertising, Medium, Facebook and the Sea Change that is amongst us.

Emily Barnett ·
Hi All, I know there has been a lot of comparison of Narrative to the platform Medium, both in the elegant format, but also for the quality of content that is on it. Bamm. that is what sold me on Narrative ...well that and that content creators get paid, (although I do think some people get paid on medium too) I was just over there reading articles. I also have spent the last few days watching the Zuckerberg congressional hearings (not just the highlights, the whole thing, phew) and couple...
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An interesting case of niche overlap

Malkazoid ·
Suggested in fairly quick succession, these two niches seem to have just the right (or wrong) amount of overlap to make an interesting case study in how different two niches need to be in order to be considered unique enough for Narrative to benefit from having both. Algorithmic Art (submitted first) https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/22568778465722584 and Generative art https://alpha.narrative.org/hq...al/25524374813357414 They are different: generative art is more inclusive and includes...
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General Thoughts and critique on Narrative

Peter Wagner ·
After a few days I got a some feelings I want to share about narrative. Maybe some of you can tell me something comforting or explain some stuff to me, since I am very new to all of that. First of all: I don't like the bidding system. It is not transparent. Who bids for what? How do prices emerge? Who gets the money? And for what does someone get the money? Next thing: I don't like is the NRVE oder creditcard payment system. In order to get NRVE (the way narrative.org suggests) you pay fees...
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Relations between niches

Vico Biscotti ·
Some niches are a generalization of sub-niches, while others are clearly a specialization, so a sub-niche. Having the possibility to explicit those relationships (or automatically build them by AI) would help to navigate niches, both when discovering and when suggesting new niches. Having this "graph" of relations would allow navigating a tree of niches. Without that, having a list of niches would be useless because we would have a very long and scattered list.
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Generalization is not ruled by the Terms

Vico Biscotti ·
Existing niches clearly contain niches which are a specialization of existing general niches. In part, a hierarchy is already there. But, while suggesting a specialized niche clearly fits in the Terms, the generalization seems driven by legacy or very case-by-case driven. The current definition of niche suggests a "flat" structure. If a hierarchy is allowed - as it already is - the possibility of suggesting general niches should be clearly contemplated. For instance, it should clearly be...
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Change the AUP to read ...

Garden Gnome Publications ·
No usage of scripts or script-generated content to create or contribute to posts. This is necessary due to the following explanation in the comments of this post . The AUP currently reads: "No usage of bots to post content, manipulate votes, and/or ratings. Prove that self governance works without game playing!" Technically, what Atom Collector Records is doing, and encouraging its members to do, is not bot posting. However, it is game-rigging as they are using a pre-generated script to...
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Re: NETWORK REWARDS

Harj ·
Thank you Dinuxen, Yes and the kicker is you dont even need a crypto wallet, you can get your rewards paid in Fiat if you wish : )
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Re: NETWORK REWARDS

Akshay Shinde ·
Yeah Narrative Platform has mind-blowing concept which they are paying us rewards points for sharing our thoughts on Narrative forum
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Re: NETWORK REWARDS

Malkazoid ·
It is going to be a fascinating process to see these rewards start to flow, and watch them respond to our communal efforts to improve Narrative content. Everything else put aside, it is fascinating in its own right to get to experience this play by play, from the beginning. In fewer words: I'm digging the journey. Onwards!
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Dinuxen ·
Yes main part of the project is the network so we want keep motivate to build up the project, Great Idea !!!
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Re: Relations between niches

David Dreezer ·
Hi, A good idea. A Niche Map is both referred to in the spec and on the roadmap. There has been no E.T.A. posted for the addition of that Map yet, but a discussion of how it would work was posted by Ted, here . https://spec.narrative.org/doc...ction-niche-map-tbd- https://about.narrative.org/as...arrative-roadmap.pdf
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Re: Relations between niches

Vico Biscotti ·
Thanks David! Didn't notice. I'm glad this is on the roadmap.
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Re: Change the AUP to read ...

Colleen Ryer ·
Yup, if a bot isn't allowed to do it, a human shouldn't be either.
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Downward Spiral Mantra ·
You are doing this by using referrals on your posts and 'encouraging them to drive traffic away from Narrative where they earn someone else's crypto' as you just mentioned on your posts... : https://www.narrative.org/post...ion-to-coinbase-earn .. https://www.narrative.org/post...-makes-me-more-money so basically you are doing the same that you criticize right....i havent checked the lnks to your books but am sure you have some leading to amazon right......or right? come on you have been...
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Colleen Ryer ·
@Garden Gnome Publications doesn't stand to gain from the outside links. He writes a real post, not a copy/paste script. Your comparison is invalid. @Downward Spiral Mantra
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Downward Spiral Mantra ·
He does exactly earn crytpo for referring with an outside link : https://www.coinbase.com/earn/stellar/invite/p29g10fc ( invite/p29g10fc ) being the referral and https://brave.com/njo265 (njo265) being the referral.... So yes he is gaining from the link as our songs are doing in external links....the only difference being is that we take hours and hours of our felling and self into creating something nice for the world and he is gaining BAT tokens for his own self....so you see the...
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turtle ·
The whole reason for the post generator is to save time not to spam, we would post the same content if it were written by hand, we are musicians and our time is valuable and limited, we have so many hours in a day with which need to be spread out between making music to entertain people such as yourselves and self promoting our music on multiple platforms , not just this one, do you really take that into consideration, if we were to type out all these individual posts every day on each...
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Colleen Ryer ·
invalid
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Colleen Ryer ·
I wish I could use a post generator to save time. But I noticed it's against the AUP and its poor quality.
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turtle ·
sol_cycler , i agree , but it doesn't change the fact that it is limited, so easy to have an opinion on a life you have not lived , i know nothing of your life, maybe your time is limited too, i don't know, as you people don't know any of us and what we have to fit in to a day, do you really think i have time to be here now having this conversation, no, but i feel it needs to be made clear that the situation is misunderstood , like i said not all is black and white
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TS2019 ·
You're posting auto-generated content which is against the ToS, seems pretty black and white.
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turtle ·
colleen , quality is subjective, i can see im talking to deaf ears here , good day to you all
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David Dreezer ·
This has degenerated into a shouting match. We're not going to do that here. As with everything else on the platform, we're watching. We'll evaluate the suggestion and if necessary, we will make a change.
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Re: Change the AUP to read ...

David Dreezer ·
By request, I'll re-open this topic as long as it stays on topic and civil in manner.
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Re: Change the AUP to read ...

Malkazoid ·
Thank you David - I think the thread is allowing folks to see where each party is coming from.
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turtle ·
just one question, is it possible that all the people who down voted our posts could be so kind as to remove them now it has been resolved, i personally lost 6 points off my rep and would appreciate some of it back , thank you
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Malkazoid ·
Hey Turtle, I think at the present time, it isn't possible to remove a vote, only to transform it into an upvote. Has this been resolved: what was the outcome?
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turtle ·
thank you malkazoid , that would work for me
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turtle ·
malkazoid , the out come was https://community.narrative.or...nd-platform-comments
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Malkazoid ·
Thanks! I checked it out. I'm glad it is resolved and that the Team jumped onto it so quickly. I hope we can embed audio right here soon, so you guys can start keeping some of your tracks within Narrative.
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turtle ·
malkazoid , yes that will be cool
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Christina Gleason ·
Thank you, @Garden Gnome Publications . I'm happy that you understood why my brain interpreted the issue the way it did, but I wasn't able to find the right words to explain it. While the scripting in this specific instance might not break the current letter of the law, it breaks the spirit of it because it is a form of gaming the system.
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Christina Gleason ·
The Embed feature allows audio to be embedded from loads of places, including: Spotify, Soundcloud, Last.fm, Mixcloud, and a lot more. They're all listed on here: https://embed.ly/providers - you can filter by Audio to find the various audio platforms more easily. The functionality is there. It can't be hosted on Narrative, but neither can video.
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
The problem here, from a user's perspective, is that posts like the ones populating the Independent Music niche don't really add any value to the platform. Several reasons why this is so: The content is solely of a self-promotional nature; It demands that users leave the platform in order to enjoy the meat of the actual content being promoted; There is no benefit to the end user for meeting that demand while the self-promoter stands to gain just by drawing the end user away from the...
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Malkazoid ·
All excellent points @Garden Gnome Publications . It is a fine line. Though those posts are not considered AUP violations, Narrative is supposed to be more than a self-promotional bulletin board, and I do think it is legitimate for people to be concerned with the spammy aspects of such posts. I love music, and want to support musicians, but there is something that may need figuring out here.
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Christina Gleason ·
@Garden Gnome Publications My "reply with quote" button isn't working, but your tips for what is "infinitely more helpful" is worth making a post about on the platform, and can be generalized for any type of self-promotional content. I do have to go back and change my votes on all of those music posts, but since un-voting isn't an option, I can only change my downvote reasons to low quality because of the reasons you stated above. But that will take time, because I'm behind on my client work...
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Colleen Ryer ·
Self promotional bulletin boards can provide a good income stream for platforms . Embedding the audio tracks would go a long way to fixing this, I think. (not the copy paste formatting, tho).
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Malkazoid ·
They can! I think it is more a question of what belongs where. We have to balance mercantile concerns with quality concerns, and right now, I'm concerned that there are categories of people who love music, but who don't necessarily think they are subscribing to a random stream of tracks when they subscribe to a music niche. A random stream of tracks doesn't hold much value to the end user. There is a niche for Music promotion. Nobody has bought it yet. And yet that is where all these posts...
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turtle ·
garden gnome , I would love to have the time to do more of this, explaining the history of my process, maybe I will incorporate some of this in some posts in future, when i find I have a little more time to do so, but I can't do this with every post , good to see some ideas being thrown around in a constructive manner , much easier to deal with issues this way, a refreshing change from the previous days
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
@turtle , I appreciate your response. I dropped out of the conversation after one of your colleagues got snarky. We may disagree, but we can stay professional. I am trying to help everyone here, including you guys. I just opened up a draft of a post and went to one of the promo posts in question to see if I could embed any of the music files. Sadly, I could not. So you guys are telling the truth in that regard. That's a limitation of the platform, so I can understand where you're coming...
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Malkazoid ·
Is it acceptable from the musician's perspective, to put their tracks on a platform that Narrative can embed from? Would there be issues with doing that? @turtle , @AtomCollectorRecord.com
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
Good question, @Malkazoid . Really, all that would be necessary, to satisfy me, is for there to be one embed. If a music file could be embedded from somewhere , then I could listen to it on Narrative. I wouldn't have to leave the platform to hear the music. That being original content, I could upvote the post if I like the music. Then below the audio file, you can include your links to every other platform that hosts it. I'd be okay with that. As long as the meat of the post, which is the...
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turtle ·
garden gnome and malkazoid, i believe the team here are working on the embed issue so it should be better when that is sorted out , im sorry you had issues with the links, this is a known problem , we are trying to keep on top of with certain platforms , a lot of these platforms are also in beta , which always brings problems as you know.
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AtomCollectorRecord.com ·
@Malkazoid It's a bit of a balancing act at the moment. On the one hand we want to introduce as many people as possible to crypto/blockchain based sites so we try to use those wherever possible. The issue is they are not mainstream sites yet so the embed services don't cater for them. Then on the other side you have ease of use as @Garden Gnome Publications mentions. There's no easy answer but I am of the opinion that we should be encouraging people to move away from centralised monopolies...
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AtomCollectorRecord.com ·
On behalf our community I apologise if you found any of our members responses offensive. We are an open community and as such made up of a wide variety of individuals who are free to act as they wish. Please see my response to @Malkazoid . If we can all come to an agreement I can easily change the content generator to adhere to the rules/guidelines.
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Malkazoid ·
I hear you, and I'm assuming the motivation of getting paid on those crypto/blockchain sites is a big part of the focus... an extra source of income can't be underestimated for most artists, musicians or otherwise, right? I wouldn't be surprised if some crypto sites pay more than mainstream monetised platforms... I just wonder if it might be possible to publish to an embed.ly compatible platform as well , so that you can be more in line with what works for Narrative? If some artists don't...
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AtomCollectorRecord.com ·
All the links should go directly to the track on each site. I know musicoin often has issues as they are a very small but passionate team and progress is very slow. I'll look into the links to see if there are any others that are not working and see if that can be fixed. Not all musicians upload their tracks to the mainstream sites so it may not always be possible to offer an alternative that plays within the post. I will look at provide such an embed if the artist has it as an option within...
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Malkazoid ·
Great - let us know how you go. Various ways to approach this - you tell artists only embeddable content gets posted to Narrative while letting them know which platform they need to put their tracks on to make Narrative an option for them. Or you could just encourage them to use a platform that works for Narrative. Personally, I'd prefer if you used the surefire route of only publishing embeddable tracks, but I'm just one Narrative Community member with an opinion, and others may feel...
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Garden Gnome Publications ·
@AtomCollectorRecord.com , I certainly understand the desire to get paid for one's work. And artists typically have a tough time finding paying gigs. For one, there is a lot of competition. And secondly, those who pay artists are quite selective about where they'll invest in their chosen art form. It's dog-eat-dog. As a fiction writer, poet, and published author, I've realized that it is sometimes practical, and wise, to give up a coin for a greater value. Gaining new fans can lead to more...
 
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