Tagged With "NarraTORS"

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Moniker/Nickname for Narrative contributors.

mrgoodsett ·
I know the default name has been NarraTORS but might there be other options? Narraiders? Narrisers? Narrebels(Nar*rebels)? a person who resists any authority, control, or tradition. Narradores (español)? Any others?
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Re: Show off your Niche

Malkazoid ·
Eduardo, amigo, you missed the news. Narrative has decided niches can be sold by their owners at auction, with 95% of proceeds retained by the owner, and 5% kept by the network. I wept tears of joy, and we all ate clams to celebrate. I'll dig up the post in a sec... (PS This is not a joke. This really happened. Well the clams and weeping didn't, but everything else is the truth).
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Show off your Niche

Eduardo Hernández ·
Hi Narrators! So I just paid and, finally, reserved my Niche "Decadence." Again, I do not like at all the idea of just "leasing" my hard thought and earned niche, but that's more politics -and the possible downfall of Narrative in the near future. Anyway, on a less grim and "reality check" note, I am opening this discussion to showing off our Niches, and maybe letting each other know why we created them and what are our intentions with them. I'll start. I'm a writer and a big fan of Charles...
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The Politics Niche

Malkazoid ·
Narrators one and all, Narrators big and small... And there ends the attempts to rhyme, lest you come to think this will be the tone of the Politics niche: it won't be. I won't be rhyming people into a quivering mess. But it will be an inclusive niche, of course. Small people and very large people will not be discriminated against - I really meant that. Please jump into this thread if you have an interest in politics, and intend to participate in the life of this niche. Lets get to know each...
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Re: Show off your Niche

Malkazoid ·
https://community.narrative.ne...60#11025209287329460
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Re: Show off your Niche

Eduardo Hernández ·
You sir, are an angel. Cheers and thanks for helping achieve this fundamental change to this platform. Kudos!
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Re: Show off your Niche

Rsqrd ·
This is FREAKING awesome! Thanks for the share.
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Re: The Politics Niche

ClosetCrypto ·
Rhyming isn't too hard, You don't have to be a bard. lol thanks for the morning entertainment good sir. I look forward to the discussions to come.
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Narrative on the Road

Melanie Mathos ·
We've added a new events calendar to the Narrative Community to share upcoming events that we are attending and/or speaking at. Please give us a shout if you are going to be at any of the upcoming events - and know that we'll have Narrator Meetups at future dates! Coming up next: Women on the Block (Attending) May 13, 2018; New York, NY Consensus 2018 (Attending) May 14 - 16, 2018; New York, NY Use this URL in your calendar application to subscribe to upcoming events. What events are you...
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Re: Narrative on the Road

carlos ·
https://spotcoin.com/ref/987ab...e8-b305-06de39ffb344
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Re: Narrative on the Road

carlos ·
Observen este proyecto
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Re: Narrative on the Road

mrgoodsett ·
Dorn, all the action is on the East Coast, we need some California-Love(song playing in my head)!!!
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Dias Flac ·
Awesome! Can’t wait for my niche— crypto calendar — to get used. Announcements like these would be a perfect use case for it
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Get ready to welcome some new Narrators!

Melanie Mathos ·
Due to the momentum we're seeing across the board (have you seen all the great niches up for grabs ?!) and feedback from the Narrative community, we've decided to unlock Round 2 of early access once the digital waiting line hits 1500. We're only 300 people away! We are still honoring the same Referral Rewards . Check out the leaderboard to the right to see who is leading the pack -----> Who else is up for helping us get to the next round? Drop a comment with how you're spreading the word!
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Re: Get ready to welcome some new Narrators!

Melanie Mathos ·
@Malikulsaleh @Maelstrohm Black @christian - congrats on holding strong in the leaderboard!
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Re: Get ready to welcome some new Narrators!

Maelstrohm Black ·
I am pleased to be involved with this promising project! \m/
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Re: Get ready to welcome some new Narrators!

Malkazoid ·
Good call to go with 1500, IMO! To be honest, I'm putting all my current Narrative time into trying to help with what I perceive to be conceptual flaws that have surfaced recently, surrounding the role of niche owners, so no time left to refer or promote. But I will get back to it once those concerns are resolved one way or another.
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Where are the Narrators?

Osita ·
It's a new day & beginning in Narrativesphere, I feel like dancing. Where are the narrators? Time to create content. Thanks team!!!
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Re: Where are the Narrators?

Christina Gleason ·
Content has already been created...it just takes time to make sure it's properly formatted for publishing!
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Re: Where are the Narrators?

Rosemary ·
via GIPHY
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
Hi @Banter I understand - and I think all the system can do to mitigate this is to assign less weight to views from people who are not Narrators. Similarly to the reputation boost that comes with having done KYC, a weight boost should differentiate those who have signed up to Narrative and therefore have a reputation, and those who have not, and so could be part of a click farm operation. So we're compounding measures against three levels of risk: 1) the non Narrator who could be part of a...
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Gaming the System

Banter ·
Hey @Narrative Team and fellow Narrators! I was staring at the accrued NRVE reward bucket the other day and had a bit of an unsettling thought. Has the @Narrative team thought about safeguards as to how 'popular' content is ranked? Perhaps this all ties into the reputation algorithm, which makes me feel better. The immediate concern is of course someone 'viewing their own post a ton of times'...hopefully unique views are observed in some way, along with...
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Re: Gaming the System

Banter ·
Hey @Malkazoid , I agree with your general assessment / proposed solution. It will be interesting to see what the team finally settles on. I feel like any post that does really well (at least in the early days), will be 'viral' outside of Narrators with accounts, which won't necessarily benefit the poster all that much depending on how the algorithm is structured. If I know that 100 outside views ~ 1 view from a kyc narrator with good reputation, I might spend my time focusing on 'marketing'...
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Re: Gaming the System

Drixx Madison ·
Is it set in stone that posts will be "view" based rather than "Like" based? That distinction may make a difference.
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
Good question! I have no idea and am actually only assuming views will be part of the computation. If it were my design, I would be looking at both views and likes, with likes weighted heavier than views. How much heavier can only be properly determined through trialing the algorithm but I guess I would start at 3 or 4 times heavier.
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Re: Gaming the System

Banter ·
I believe that ultimately ties back to your point about Narrators (people with reputation, having more weight). I could be wrong, but I don't believe the general public will have any ability to interact with a post (like, comment, etc), they would need an account for that. Anyhow....I just wanted to toss the question out there, I'm sure the team has thought about it some, and just wanted to gain some insight into how content would ultimately get 'ranked'.
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Re: Gaming the System

Heather Aston ·
Good point, Banter, I think this sort of ties in with another post I just made that people might create a ton of junk content for their niches and/or try to use that junk content to boost their visibility and clout on Narrative. Right now three of the top 10 niches by number of posts are "Audi," "Nike," and "Air Jordan," three brands that I wouldn't think would attract much beyond marketing material, affiliate links, and empty content from enthusiasts talking about how much they absolutely...
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
@Emily Barnett - if you are suggesting that the outcome of content approved to a niche could cause the moderator who approved it to receive a small ding if it falls below a certain level of quality, I agree that could be an interesting route to explore. The process would have to be quite forgiving, with the ding being small, and the threshold being set to only cause demerit for very low value posts... since the idea is to only produce a penalty for behaviour that is deliberately...
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
I don't think the external views, needs to be factored into your rewards though. I mean, sharing it outside of the platform is a given, because if you already have an interested audience in your particular voice, you will by human nature be interested in enticing them to join Narrative, as they are mostly already in a favorable position to follow and vote up your content once they join. I think this is plenty of motivation.
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
I hadn't considered that - you're right, and the algorithm will have to strike a balance between the opposing imperatives of wanting to demote external views that are inherently more likely to be an attempt to game, and wanting narrators to market their content externally to the network. At first there will be a natural motivation for all of us to market externally though, since the low number of internal users at the outset will mean there just won't be that many internal views to court. I...
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
External views still remain part of evaluating how many non-Narrative eye balls are being brought to the platform via a piece of content. There is a value inherent in that. I completely agree there is also a natural motivation to share beyond the platform, but how effectively you do so should be rewarded to some degree. I trust that over time the algorithms will home in on how to do so optimally. Likes are way more important than views for judging content value, but the best algorithms...
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
That is why i suspect it is based on the same vote up or vote down system that our niche approval has.
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
I have always been under the assumption that it is "like" based, not views. Given that your participation in this platform gets you activity points, It always made sense to me that rewards would be accounted for based on votes for the content. That is why i haven't commented on this thread yet because I was confused why we were talking about views. It will be interesting to see how the metrics are laid out. But I suspect that since the platform is so much about transparency, that the actual...
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
I'm not familiar with what happens behind the scenes for them either. Easy: external views would have to be valued way below what is economically achievable with third party view providers. I'd imagine an article on Narrative which gains 1000 external views might be paying out 95% based on its internal Narrative metrics of Narrator views, likes and comments, with only a small percentage of its value derived from external views. This should make it virtually impossible for it to be...
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
Yes exactly @Malkazoid , I think just like all activity impacts up or down, on your reputation, Moderators should have this too. Perhaps if there is a real obscure reason why the moderator felt it was relatable to the niche and allowed it to be published, they can provide a comment immediately explaining their thought process, just as we sometimes see on the niche suggestions. It is also good to remember that the community can vote a moderator out of the position if they are sloughing off,...
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Re: Gaming the System

Banter ·
I think @Malkazoid and @Emily Barnett and others are bringing up good points. I'm looking forward to seeing what the @Narrative team has to say about it. As I'm the one that started this thread, one of my original concerns was 'paying for views', and how that will be mitigated. On the flip side, I'd hate to see such a heavily skewed formula to value outside eyeballs at 5% vs 95% for internal views. To use my favorite example, let's say I create some amazing, revolutionary macaroni art...
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Re: Gaming the System

Malkazoid ·
Hey @Banter ... as I mentioned, opposing external to internal views , I'd start with a 3:1 or 4:1 valuation ratio. So that's either 33.33% vs 66.66%, or 25% vs 75%. Then I'd run a platform simulator which I imagine the dev team is including in its suite of tools, and see what kind of values the economy develops from these settings... and adjust from there. Notice where I mentioned 5% vs 95%, I was looking at external views vs all internal Narrative valuations (views, likes, comments, and who...
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
I look at Medium as a good example. You can share your content in order to spread the word of the platform and your content, but those views don't count for anything in determining monthly payouts (at least not to my knowledge) The monthly payouts are pro rata based on how many member's claps, your content accumulates.. How do you propose quality views without engagement? I mean if views are calculated in, it is incredibly easy to game the system, one just has to start up a pay for view app...
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Re: Gaming the System

Heidi Hecht ·
True. One thing I'd like to see is the owner and moderator coordinate on what the "goals" of a niche are. Like, if the owner spots something that might only be tangentially related to the niche, he or she can talk it over with the moderator to have it removed. That way, we have less of niches getting hijacked even by accident because people are tagging their posts to the wrong niches. Or should that be limited so the owners and moderators aren't removing stuff just because they disagree with...
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
I believe all of what you suggested here is exactly the directions the Narrative team has in mind. They have said from the get go that bot voting will quickly loose reputation. I believe the activity of being present and active on the platform in human activity is what gets you activity rewards. I suspect that is part of the reason why we are doing kyc, that you get an added reputation boost for proving you are a legit person, not a bot. We don't know enough about moderation yet. Like if...
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Re: Gaming the System

Heidi Hecht ·
Random thoughts: How far would the reputation system affect someone who can churn out content and also get a lot of his buddies to join Narrative and upvote his content? Would it somehow undo the reputation system if someone could create a ton of bot accounts for the pure purpose of upvoting their content? Should there be some kind of machine learning system in place that can look for signs that a niche might be riddled with spam so that niche can be made less visible until the owner and/or...
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
@Banter To me the outside views negates the reputation we are all building, quite a bit. If we are judging the content as a portion, for eyeballs on the page then you are admitting the quality is only a percentage (As @Malkazoid suggests maybe 75%). Something being viral does not guarantee that the content is of higher quality. In fact quite often it is the opposite. I think this could take us in a lesser direction, that far out weights the problem of nepotism. Remember, only last year,...
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Re: Gaming the System

MOLLY O ·
@Heidi Hecht and others. Good discussion going on here. Just a few thoughts - it will be hard for someone to get their buddies to join only to upvote one person's content. New folks need to earn reputation before their votes count more than someone who has already earned a higher reputation. Reputation impacts the value of the vote. And, we do plan on incorporating machine learning later.
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Re: Gaming the System

Emily Barnett ·
@MOLLY O any details on how or if outside views from Narrative's platform will be counted in rewards? That is what the main gist of this thread is speculating on. Some direction would be helpful.
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Re: Narrative Marketplace

Garden Gnome Publications ·
That's not a bad idea, but I can see a marketplace niche getting so full that it would be difficult to go through all the messages to find something you want whereas an actual marketplace could be organized into channels for specific types of products. And services. Narrators can always trade NRVE for whatever between themselves, but a central marketplace makes it easier to find something specific that you may be looking for.
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Re: Narrative Marketplace

MALAY BANERJEE ·
This is a very wonderful suggestion to create a marketplace to promote ebooks and pages of famous writer community It will definitely attract famous writer and as they presenting their contents it will bring more readers in narrative Thanks
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Re: Narrative Marketplace

Robert Nicholson ·
As a quick-and-dirty approximation of this, you could set up a "Marketplace" niche, where Narrative members could post promos for their products, with links to purchase pages.
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Re: Narrative Marketplace

Gord ·
OMG yes please!
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Narrative Marketplace

Garden Gnome Publications ·
I would love to see a Narrative marketplace where Narrators can sell digital products. As someone who has published several book and e-book titles, I'd like to be able to offer those titles for NRVE on a special platform for that purpose.
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Re: Narrative Marketplace

Colleen Ryer ·
Ditto!!!
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