Contests and Challenges should not be Niches

Product: Narrative

While contests and challenges are great ways to promote niches, they should not be niches themselves.

Currently there are a few niches that are based upon specific challenges. These challenges can be great for the platform, but they can also be a problem.

While a challenge can semantically be rationalized as a subtopic, they are not when logically debated. They are usually just a combination of subtopics, which only serves to dilute the niche feature and possibly take awards away from niche owner's that have bid and won on the subtopics the challenge hijacks.

While I want to see challenges continue, I think it's only fair and in the platform's best interest to disqualify contests and challenges from becoming its own niche.

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Hi @Paladin,

I'd suggest that you appeal any Niches that you don't think are valid or violate the AUP or TOS to the Tribunal for consideration. That's really the most appropriate course of action here. That way, the Tribunal has proper opportunity to consider the merits of your argument (which can't really happen here on the support site, off-platform).

Thanks for sharing your concerns!

Brian

Brian Lenz posted:

Hi @Paladin,

I'd suggest that you appeal any Niches that you don't think are valid or violate the AUP or TOS to the Tribunal for consideration. That's really the most appropriate course of action here. That way, the Tribunal has proper opportunity to consider the merits of your argument (which can't really happen here on the support site, off-platform).

Thanks for sharing your concerns!

Brian

Why can't it happen right here?

This is where suggestions are made, user's weigh in and staff considers, correct?

Good, let that happen then...

I'm just telling you that this is not the appropriate place for official platform governance issues. All official governance discussions will happen on the platform through the course of filed appeals.

If you'd like to discuss your ideas here with other users, then that's just fine I'm just setting expectations that staff Tribunal members don't participate in those kinds of conversations off the platform.

The topic you're raising here is different than typical suggestions, which are normally about features and functionality of the platform. Your concern is about governance of specific Niches on the platform, which isn't really a suggestion about how the platform works.

Hope that clarifies things!

Brian Lenz posted:

I'm just telling you that this is not the appropriate place for official platform governance issues. All official governance discussions will happen on the platform through the course of filed appeals.

If you'd like to discuss your ideas here with other users, then that's just fine I'm just setting expectations that staff Tribunal members don't participate in those kinds of conversations off the platform.

The topic you're raising here is different than typical suggestions, which are normally about features and functionality of the platform. Your concern is about governance of specific Niches on the platform, which isn't really a suggestion about how the platform works.

Hope that clarifies things!

It doesn't, you are talking in circles. 

@Vico Biscotti, I see where you are coming from, but I don’t see this as an issue where the AUP/TOS would need to be updated. (It seems fairly unlikely to me that we would make any formal rule prohibiting challenges or contests.) The requirements for Niches are pretty clear: in short, they must be unique subjects. The question here is more about interpretation of those rules, in my opinion. The only way to find out how the Tribunal might feel on these particular Niches really is to appeal them. I’m not sure I understand the resistance to this approach. Anyone who feels the Niches aren’t valid should feel more than welcome to appeal them. The system is built to work this way from a governance standpoint.

I have had lengthy discussions with other Narrators about appealing for the rejection of the Color Challenge Niche. I have the appeal and an accompanying post  drafted and ready to go  and though we all agreed that the  tribunal will most likely reject my appeal,   I'll probably do it one day just to see how it goes.

It's unsettling to me how much the team protects the very factors that are bringing Narrative down. If anything we should be motivated and urged to close these niches which (arguably, I know... this is just my opinion) are FULL. OF. CRAP.  Lesser versions of pinterest whose upvotes come from voting  circles that do not even bother to look at what they are voting. * Picture of a flower * "Oh! Wow! Thanks for sharing" "Oh! so beautiful!" What?! do these people not have gardens or parks back home?! They need to come to narrative to see flowers?   Please...


This is the example I have in my appeal to reject the Color Challenge niche, just for reference.  Correct me where I am wrong and please point out to me how the  Color Challenge qualifies as a niche...



As an example let's hypothesize I suggest the Niche “London City”, there can be no other London City, since it is a very specific location. Same with the Niche “Aesthetic Medicine”, since it’s a specific area of Medicine. Color Challenge holds no meaning. If I suggest a Color Challenge niche, but the colors in the description  are: Sunday is White, Monday is Brown, Tuesday is Azure, Wednesday is Gray, Thursday is Fuchsia, Friday is Olive, and Saturday is Black, by the same logic it must be accepted because there is no overlap with the current Color Challenge Niche. 

Go on, I'll wait.

Nuno Moreiras posted:

I have had lengthy discussions with other Narrators about appealing for the rejection of the Color Challenge Niche. I have the appeal and an accompanying post  drafted and ready to go  and though we all agreed that the  tribunal will most likely reject my appeal,   I'll probably do it one day just to see how it goes.

It's unsettling to me how much the team protects the very factors that are bringing Narrative down. If anything we should be motivated and urged to close these niches which (arguably, I know... this is just my opinion) are FULL. OF. CRAP.  Lesser versions of pinterest whose upvotes come from voting  circles that do not even bother to look at what they are voting. * Picture of a flower * "Oh! Wow! Thanks for sharing" "Oh! so beautiful!" What?! do these people not have gardens or parks back home?! They need to come to narrative to see flowers?   Please...


This is the example I have in my appeal to reject the Color Challenge niche, just for reference.  Correct me where I am wrong and please point out to me how the  Color Challenge qualifies as a niche...



As an example let's hypothesize I suggest the Niche “London City”, there can be no other London City, since it is a very specific location. Same with the Niche “Aesthetic Medicine”, since it’s a specific area of Medicine. Color Challenge holds no meaning. If I suggest a Color Challenge niche, but the colors in the description  are: Sunday is White, Monday is Brown, Tuesday is Azure, Wednesday is Gray, Thursday is Fuchsia, Friday is Olive, and Saturday is Black, by the same logic it must be accepted because there is no overlap with the current Color Challenge Niche. 

Go on, I'll wait.

Agreed, there are an infinite amount of 7 day challenges or 8 or 3 or even 30...

The topics don't change, because they still fit into the typical photography niches, main and subtopics just the models change.

It's interesting that if green friday is a legitimate niche, why hasn't anyone suggested a green color niche? Because it's a dumb ass niche, that's why...

@Paladin and @Nuno Moreiras, as I said, appealing the Niches on the platform is the proper way forward here. Feel free to encourage other Narrators to appeal and share their views and support, as well.

There's not much more to discuss here off the platform, so I'm going to close this topic.

Edit: instead, I just changed it to a Conversation. It's not really a Suggestion, as stated previously...

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