Giving users a choice between algorithm and human curation

Service: Narrative

Niches currently have tabs: Featured, Trending, Quality and Recent.

We could have a tab in which the content is human curated to some degree.  

This idea was born from the need to mitigate the Team's qualms about the 'centralized' nature of human curation.  The best choice is usually to let users decide what they want.  So offer them both algorithm curation and human curation, and let them choose which tab they prefer.  You could have the initial default be the algorithm curation tab, if you feel that's more appropriate, but allow people to change the default in their preferences.

This new tab could be called 'Curated', and could include featured content, sticky content for posts of enduring utility for the niche (such as the niche introduction post), and even a community chosen post that gets replaced periodically.  This community chosen post could be something a niche follower gets to vote for, separately from their normal upvote.  This is useful because a user's upvote does not necessarily mean they feel a post should be featured. Explicitly voting for posts to be featured could seriously boost the appropriateness of what gets into those slots.

If there is a sense that this creates too many tabs, I would suggest taking a hard look at whether the existing Featured and Trending tabs both need to exist.  Since the Curated tab would have featured posts, Trending might be enough for the algorithm-curated content.  This would be truer to the words being used: 'trending' literally implies classification based on popularity with the crowd, whereas 'featured' has a connotation of considered selection by the establishment.

There is a wide gamut of possibilities for restricting how much curation takes place in the Curated tab.  You could allow it to be fully curated (since it is now in its own cubby hole), or you could limit the amount of content pieces moderators and owners could feature in a week, and the duration of the featuring.  You could allow the top five or ten pieces to be human curated, then have a line below which the pieces are ranked by the algorithms that currently operate on the Featured tab.  You could charge a nominal NRVE fee that owners would have to pay for featuring content in this tab, increasing the demand for NRVE.

Lastly, to address concerns previously expressed by the Team that any curation in niches might create dangerous overlap with Publications, please take into consideration that no brand in existence would choose a niche over a Publication: brands expect nothing less than total control over who creates their content and which of their pieces get to represent the brand.  Most insist on editorial control over the content too.  None of these things are possible with niches, and a small degree of curation in niches would do absolutely nothing to change this.

 

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@Malkazoid, Good idea. No need for an extra tab, since the current featured, trending, and quality appears to overlap, up to a point. Featured could switch its meaning to manually curated, trending is ok as it is, quality is "curation" from the algorithm according to quality metrics.

While the "curated by the community" may be a good idea, I don't like the double upvote possibility since it may add too much confusion.

I wouldn't fear the overlap between niches and publication, even adding curation to niches. Two completely different concepts. Moreover, niches are more or less unique, while the focus of the publications can largely overlap. Also, from the costs I see, publications are not going to be popular for just curation, at all... Maybe just business brands.

This is a GREAT idea, @Malkazoid! I'm definitely missing human curation on Narrative and I agree with @Vico Biscotti that the current tabs somewhat overlap. 

I know that in many niches I would prefer to see owner/mod curation. There are people on the platform I got to "know" well enough to trust their editorial judgement. Do I believe in the wisdom of the crowd? No. But I may write about it elsewhere...

Human curated contains holds more weight sometimes then branded ones. Reddit is a good example of it. However I don't use it more often but we can't deny it's popularity for it's curation friendly features compared with Facebook.

I think featured tab can be replaced with curated one. If it happens then we will be having a true mixture of Medium and Reddit in the name of Narrative or I should say a "World Journal curated by real curators not bots". 

Blogger Krunal posted:

Human curated contains holds more weight sometimes then branded ones. Reddit is a good example of it. However I don't use it more often but we can't deny it's popularity for it's curation friendly features compared with Facebook.

I think featured tab can be replaced with curated one. If it happens then we will be having a true mixture of Medium and Reddit in the name of Narrative or I should say a "World Journal curated by real curators not bots". 

 "World Journal curated by real curators not bots".  Very appealing aspect  of identity! Thanks @Blogger Krunal ... and I wish we had highlighting ... someone already suggest this?

Colleen Ryer posted:
Blogger Krunal posted:

Human curated contains holds more weight sometimes then branded ones. Reddit is a good example of it. However I don't use it more often but we can't deny it's popularity for it's curation friendly features compared with Facebook.

I think featured tab can be replaced with curated one. If it happens then we will be having a true mixture of Medium and Reddit in the name of Narrative or I should say a "World Journal curated by real curators not bots". 

 "World Journal curated by real curators not bots".  Very appealing aspect  of identity! Thanks @Blogger Krunal ... and I wish we had highlighting ... someone already suggest this?

We need highlighting! On Medium is an excellent and very welcome feature. But I fear it's very early for it... I didn't see anybody suggesting it.

Great idea, there could be a separate option, like on craigslist where you can mark a post 'greatest of all time" or "premium" or have moderators of each niche choose the best post(not their own) each week or month from their niche, then have a platform wide vote on the cream of the crop of narrative posts. I'm not trying to one up anyone here, just brainstorming to help get the creative juices flowing in the hopes of a fully polished product as the end result.

@Sol_Cycler - thanks for joining the Community Support site and joining the conversation here!

We're still finding our way in terms of how we use this site vs how we use the Narrative platform proper, to discuss these things.

The major difference is there is less engagement here on the CS site, than on the platform.  It suffers from needing a separate account setup (as you just realised no doubt), and from not rewarding users for their contributions.  So naturally most people from the platform won't contribute here.

But the main advantage here is that it is designed in such a way that the @Narrative Network Team can more easily track issues, suggestions and questions we have about Narrative.

Welcome!

@MALKAZOID, thanks for the info. Yeah, I'm not happy having to have multiple accounts to fully interact on a platform, considering how many I have already, but it seems par for the course these days. My list is just getting cluttered and pw's are getting harder to memorize.

I have high hopes for Narrative though, so decided to dive in. At least this isn't Discord, which I'm not interested in using. I just hope some new features will be added to the main platform that allows easier communication between users in the near future.

Forgive me if they are already in the mix, but I haven't fully read up on the site yet, but plan to soon.

Nice to meet you😀

Sol_Cycler posted:

I just hope some new features will be added to the main platform that allows easier communication between users in the near future.

Forgive me if they are already in the mix, but I haven't fully read up on the site yet, but plan to soon.

Nice to meet you😀

Nice to meet you too!  Your initial post was really interesting and I'm looking forward to reading more about your rig, travels and experiences.  I spent about 18 months living on the road and in wild places in Australia, 13 years ago.

Nested comment replies and private messaging are high on the list of features Narrators have requested since the Beta started.  

Newcomers sense the strength of the community on the platform and so want to engage in a conversational way in the comments, but then are faced with having to tag each other to have something vaguely resembling a proper exchange.  Some of us are kind of used to it now, but I won't allow myself to forget how off-putting it was for a long time.  I think this alone is losing us a considerable number of Narrators who would otherwise really dive in and enjoy connecting with us.

Private messaging is a must for a number of reasons.  Human societies always include public and private communication.  There is something Big Brother-ish about being forced to discuss everything publicly, and it is often counterproductive to have to do so.  Especially when it comes to community governance, where the community sometimes has to be alerted to the activity of certain accounts that may be systematically gaming the system.  Calling these people out in public can cause posturing and escalation, whereas a private discussion can allow full deliberation and sharing of information before any step is taken, and can allow back-channel diplomacy to keep things as positive and solution-oriented as possible.

But this is a digression from the topic of this thread - I apologise.

Your concise description of Narrators voting specifically to feature certain pieces of content exactly matches part of what I was envisioning - I'm glad this is popping up from several directions!  It would further engage users - people would really enjoy tracking the results of such community voting to feature items they have loved.  

A mixture of this alongside niche owner/moderator featuring and making niche-specific sticky posts, would transform what is now a very sterile and jumbled experience, into niches that feel like real locales, with their own community life.  We need this if we want Narrative to become really popular.  If we don't do this, some other platform will and we'll end up there, sometimes reminiscing on how much potential Narrative had.

I respect the decentralised ethos, and I think offering both modes of relating to niches by using separate tabs, is the way forwards.  Even though I believe the people who value decentralisation, over sheer quality and character, are a minority - I think those people would greatly appreciate being able to use niches organised only by algorithms, as they are now.  If we offer an option to suit both user types, we're addressing the market and will be rewarded for it.  If we don't, someone else will.

I think the two sites will be linked better in future. We don't get activity rewards for here? Not that it's a big deal, just wondering.

and I wanted to repeat something @BloggerKrunal said earlier - i think it got buried.

"World Journal curated by real curators not bots"

Welcome @Sol_Cycler !

Colleen Ryer posted:

"World Journal curated by real curators not bots"

Welcome @Sol_Cycler !

I think that would be a great slogan and implies and organic reach, which is appealing in these apathetic automated times.

Nice to meet you as well, Colleen.

Colleen Ryer posted:

I think the two sites will be linked better in future. We don't get activity rewards for here? Not that it's a big deal, just wondering.

and I wanted to repeat something @BloggerKrunal said earlier - i think it got buried.

"World Journal curated by real curators not bots"

Welcome @Sol_Cycler !

@Michael Farris posted recently that the community rewards program, that just got paid out recently to reward participation on this Community Support site, probably won't be renewed and the focus from now on is rewarding people for using the actual platform (through the Narratives Rewards Pool).  But I suppose that doesn't explicitly mean we couldn't be earning activity points towards the platform rewards, here, if they got the platform to track our activity here.  I'm pretty sure that's not happening now, but I admit, I'm guessing.  

 

@Sol_Cycler Welcome on community site. You suggested about selecting top posts and reward it by highlighting it, is a good one. In fact I already thought to initiate such things on my Niche circle to encourage rhe great content creators.

In Narrative spec it's mentioned that Niche Owner can select Lead Moderator to make some rules and guidelines for his/her Niche. I think we can add many things in it for the betterment of the Niche, if we get allowed.

Moderation part is yet to be fully discovered, as @MOLLY stated the same that we'll get more insights on Moderator' authorities topic when it's time.

 @Malkazoid I don't think the points earned here will be clubbed with platform rewards, specially after Beta launch (As I haven't see such info on this anywhere yet). Otherwise many one would have got high rep on this place too. Haha! 

The good thing is we can help and suggest improvements here if we feel such requirements are needed, which can be easily lost in posts on the the platform. 

I like your guess work here aboutiif they consider to club it and I'mmmore than happy if that happens. It will encourage all the platform and community users to share their valuable suggestions (along with such rubbish, obviously) or issues for Narrative's betterment.

All have something useful to share, the point is how we seduce them to share it.

IMO, Nothing can be compared with, if we add money in motivation for asking to do such a favor.

Malkazoid posted:
Colleen Ryer posted:

I think the two sites will be linked better in future. We don't get activity rewards for here? Not that it's a big deal, just wondering.

and I wanted to repeat something @BloggerKrunal said earlier - i think it got buried.

"World Journal curated by real curators not bots"

Welcome @Sol_Cycler !

@Michael Farris posted recently that the community rewards program, that just got paid out recently to reward participation on this Community Support site, probably won't be renewed and the focus from now on is rewarding people for using the actual platform (through the Narratives Rewards Pool).  But I suppose that doesn't explicitly mean we couldn't be earning activity points towards the platform rewards, here, if they got the platform to track our activity here.  I'm pretty sure that's not happening now, but I admit, I'm guessing.  

 

Well, I still see activity points displayed in my profile here - hopefully the are rewarded

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