Please unban people for minor offenses

Service: Narrative

This is a follow-up to a closed issue by Newen X 

Will all due respect that is ridiculous, there has to be something you guys can do. The system drastically needs a change for this guy. You don't need to change his rep but take off the 4 months penalties and replace it was a 24 hour first time offence for everyone.

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I'm reading this thread now, and I want to make a huge apology to @Newen X because I (am at least one person who) downvoted some foreign language posts yesterday. I thought this would just get the posts removed - I had no idea it would make anyone conduct negative, especially not for multiple months!

As the person who flagged the post(s) that were responsible for this penalty, let me say that the punishment is absurdly overreaching. Even among AUP violations, posting in a foreign language is sort of on the level of jaywalking, whereas most of the other offenses are along the lines of theft or possibly assault - metaphorically speaking. They should not be penalized the same way.

Christina Gleason posted:

I'm reading this thread now, and I want to make a huge apology to @Newen X because I (am at least one person who) downvoted some foreign language posts yesterday. I thought this would just get the posts removed - I had no idea it would make anyone conduct negative, especially not for multiple months!

As the person who flagged the post(s) that were responsible for this penalty, let me say that the punishment is absurdly overreaching. Even among AUP violations, posting in a foreign language is sort of on the level of jaywalking, whereas most of the other offenses are along the lines of theft or possibly assault - metaphorically speaking. They should not be penalized the same way.

Apology accepted. In the future, you should wait for a response or an explanation before downvoting. So instead of getting my post deleted I could have just changed the language and that's it.

Newen X posted:
Christina Gleason posted:

I'm reading this thread now, and I want to make a huge apology to @Newen X because I (am at least one person who) downvoted some foreign language posts yesterday. I thought this would just get the posts removed - I had no idea it would make anyone conduct negative, especially not for multiple months!

As the person who flagged the post(s) that were responsible for this penalty, let me say that the punishment is absurdly overreaching. Even among AUP violations, posting in a foreign language is sort of on the level of jaywalking, whereas most of the other offenses are along the lines of theft or possibly assault - metaphorically speaking. They should not be penalized the same way.

Apology accepted. In the future, you should wait for a response or an explanation before downvoting. So instead of getting my post deleted I could have just changed the language and that's it.

With all due respect, I had no way of knowing if you would graciously make the change if I left a comment about it or if you would target me for harassment, as others have done when I've left similar comments. I do regret not knowing how unreasonable the consequences would be for you, and I hope that Narrative changes how penalties are applied before your four months is up. 

Four months of penalty for a post not in English (this is what I understood) is absurd indeed.

Still, I don't see the need for "warning" before downvoting. We just don't have time for that, or it can even be dangerous with some members. Downvoting is there to be used. But it should certainly lead to much more reasonable consequences.

Christina Gleason posted:
Newen X posted:
Christina Gleason posted:

I'm reading this thread now, and I want to make a huge apology to @Newen X because I (am at least one person who) downvoted some foreign language posts yesterday. I thought this would just get the posts removed - I had no idea it would make anyone conduct negative, especially not for multiple months!

As the person who flagged the post(s) that were responsible for this penalty, let me say that the punishment is absurdly overreaching. Even among AUP violations, posting in a foreign language is sort of on the level of jaywalking, whereas most of the other offenses are along the lines of theft or possibly assault - metaphorically speaking. They should not be penalized the same way.

Apology accepted. In the future, you should wait for a response or an explanation before downvoting. So instead of getting my post deleted I could have just changed the language and that's it.

With all due respect, I had no way of knowing if you would graciously make the change if I left a comment about it or if you would target me for harassment, as others have done when I've left similar comments. I do regret not knowing how unreasonable the consequences would be for you, and I hope that Narrative changes how penalties are applied before your four months is up. 

I'm not saying you should just trust the person will change what they have done wrong, but at least give them a chance. I saw what you've been doing and if you are going to take your time and use it to search and find posts breaking AUP rules, at least take the time to try make people aware of their mistakes first instead of just taking them down. I'm sure there are many people (like me) that have broken the rules, without even knowing they did. 

@Vico Biscotti the platform is new, and there's gonna be a lot of people making silly mistakes like i did. Yes downvote is there to be used but fair warnings, educating people about the platform and making them aware of the situations creates a much better enviroment and a better community than just go around striking everyone down... but anyway what I said about leaving a warning was for her, because she is actively seeking for posts breaking the rules, meaning she has time.

@Newen X "She" didn't really have the time to report all of those posts today, but when I started the task, I had no idea how long it would take. I have a compulsion to see tasks through until they are done, and it's almost 4am here, and I haven't gone to sleep yet. I do not like having compulsions like these, because my sleep suffers, and I'm going to have to play catch up tomorrow on the client work that pays my bills. If I stopped to leave comments on every post violation I saw, it would take exponentially longer, never mind the fact that I would need to go back and check if edits were made at some later date... that just isn't feasible.

Narrative gave us the downvote button for a reason. They need to sort out more appropriate penalties for various violations. (I was banned for a brief time because I didn't have the money to pay for a niche I bid on when the deadline rolled around. I wasn't happy about it either, but my ban was nothing like yours. This is something they NEED to fix. Soonish.)

For the record, I did find other posts of yours written in another language, but I haven't reported them because you're already in too long of a timeout. When you do get unbanned, you should take a look at your old posts and take care of those.

@Newen X, truth is, the banning was certainly excessive. This is the problem. I see three posts removed, not one. Maybe this led to an unwanted cumulative effect.

But we shouldn't turn this bug (the platform is clearly still tuning these things) into a downvoting issue or - worst - into a personal issue. If @Christina Gleason wants or doesn't want to dedicate time to downvoting - until the downvoting is for good reasons - this is her business. On the contrary, I appreciate that someone takes care of reporting or downvoting when it's appropriate.

I'm the first one not to warn, when I downvote. I already had to fight fights, in the past, and I've no time nor will for that. Some members are willing to discuss and even get feedback, others take the thing immediately at a personal level, and it's not fun. So, I think that the "warning" is quite a personal decision, and both have pros and cons.

I find many of the punitive aspects of the Narrative AUP and TOS overly excessive. I know why they're there, and it's important to have them, but they can be excessive. A little more thought needs to go into how we punish abusers. Innocent mistakes shouldn't require harsh punishments. First-time offenders shouldn't bear months of time out. This definitely needs to be tweaked and honed to be more reasonable.

I am not sure the system should allow someone who has never been part of a niche to apply downvotes to it's posts. Surely the purpose of a niche is to form a self regulating community?

If one doesn't like the content in that niche then they should raise it with the niche owner/moderators.

@AtomCollectorRecord.com, that's completely incorrect. On every level. Anyone can downvote a post. The purpose of a niche is not to form a self-regulating community. If one doesn't like any content in any niche, then one is free to downvote it. These are the principles of the Narrative platform. But these principles should be employed with reason and common sense, not knee-jerk reactions and personal vendettas.

AtomCollectorRecord.com posted:

I am not sure the system should allow someone who has never been part of a niche to apply downvotes to it's posts. Surely the purpose of a niche is to form a self regulating community?

If one doesn't like the content in that niche then they should raise it with the niche owner/moderators.

@Garden Gnome Publications is correct. 

Niche members should not be allowed to control niches by deciding who can and can't vote. This Niches are for everyone on the , not just the people who post to them.

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