Rewards on republished posts

Service: Narrative

I should probably be the last one to mention that, but I noticed that many posts (including mine), published in October from elsewhere, got rewards.

I'm happy about that but... how comes?

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Okay I'm confused now...we lost a lot of good quality posting because people believed that they would not get rewards and this sounds like the change didn't go into place...am I reading that correctly?

If delayed, why not tell us. If you decide NOT to do it (or to cut down the rewards for repubs by some percentage - which would be the better part of valor BTW) - then communicate it to everyone...please.

I would have published about a dozen more articles last month, if I knew this was the case.

I modified a big chunk of my posting methodology based upon this change, which slowed down my overall posting and production volume. 

I hope that there is a reconsideration happening, and this is not just a "We haven't coded it yet, but it's inevitable" thing.

Please reconsider leaving this off the table entirely, and offer a mea culpa. A "We changed our minds" would be sufficient.

Lloyd Duhon posted:

I would have published about a dozen more articles last month, if I knew this was the case.

I modified a big chunk of my posting methodology based upon this change, which slowed down my overall posting and production volume. 

I hope that there is a reconsideration happening, and this is not just a "We haven't coded it yet, but it's inevitable" thing.

Please reconsider leaving this off the table entirely, and offer a mea culpa. A "We changed our minds" would be sufficient.

Ditto, and amen.

I too was convinced by your indications that, starting in October, the posts already published would not be paid. Now I discover that this was not so ... I am very puzzled.

This was a bad development.   I was very outspoken about not agreeing with NO REWARDS policy and then find out it wasn't even implemented as PER YOUR ANNOUNCEMENT.  I agree with everyone above - just announce that you reconsidered and APOLOGIZE for misleading us for the month of October. 

Sorry. We made a mistake - not perfect. Our intent was to include this change with a small release that has been slightly delayed and we forgot it was part of that release.  

So rather than reconsidering, it was just forgotten... how sad. Albeit, is sadder considering how many people have said this is a mistake and yet, they think we're mad at the fact it got delayed?

Guess the hope on Narrative sinks further.

It does appear that @MOLLY O may not understand where our anger is focused. I'm definitely not mad that it didn't make it into the system. Just the opposite.

I had hoped that it was a reconsideration. I still hope for it. It's not too late until they push the update through.

Cross-posting legitimately owned content is absolutely a normal process, and one which would help Narrative grow out of the current doldrums.

I was hoping it was due to a change of direction too...

To refresh memories: the Community now seems to feel strongly that removing rewards for reposted content further pushes away long form content, since the only long form content that can even remotely compete with short form content on an effort to reward ratio, is long form content that has already been written.  This is not theoretical - numerous long form content creators have taken the time to post on the platform and the CS site, that they were already unhappy at how their content gets washed away in a flood of shorter posts and so were resorting to reposting articles they had already placed elsewhere... but with the cessation of rewards for reposted content, many will post MUCH less, and some might give up entirely.

@MOLLY O - perhaps this forgetting to include the change is an opportunity?

Lloyd Duhon posted:

It does appear that @MOLLY O may not understand where our anger is focused. I'm definitely not mad that it didn't make it into the system. Just the opposite.

I had hoped that it was a reconsideration. I still hope for it. It's not too late until they push the update through.

Cross-posting legitimately owned content is absolutely a normal process, and one which would help Narrative grow out of the current doldrums.

I wish I could like this multiple times. Many of us who try to contribute only good quality content had to completely change how we were posting content to Narrative, because I've spent 10 years going to blogging conferences where the mantra has been "exposure is not compensation."

Whether I wrote something today or five years ago, it still brings value to the Narrative platform because the people visiting Narrative haven't read it before.

I haven't had the creative energy to write new things lately, so I didn't bother to try to polish up any old content either. As a result, I've only been publishing meta content in Fantastic Femme Fiction and for The NRVE! If I'd known I could still earn from posts with canonical links, I would have shared more of them.

This is all very frustrating.

MOLLY O posted:

Sorry. We made a mistake - not perfect. Our intent was to include this change with a small release that has been slightly delayed and we forgot it was part of that release.  

Thank you for admitting a mistake, no one expects perfection and mistakes should be forgiven.  But, the main point of these responses, if you are listening, is that we do NOT want this change made.  It was announced out of the blue, supposed to have been effective immediately, with no input from the community beforehand, and has been shown to be a vastly unpopular decision.  The vast majority of your quality content providers don't support it and we would like you to revisit that decision - putting more emphasis on stopping the flood of low quality spamming that is drowning the platform.

"Whether I wrote something today or five years ago, it still brings value to the Narrative platform because the people visiting Narrative haven't read it before."

Precisely that, @Christina Gleason! Communities can be totally different worlds. As long as the author is present, an article can provide value exactly as if it was native. And giving visibility to an article - AND being rewarded for it - on multiple channels/community is an essential tool for bloggers who invest in quality posts. Removing this opportunity can make Narrative way less attractive exactly for the type of content and authors we need most.

Adding my two cents to what @Vico Biscotti said: you will also lose people who came here following these authors. It's not a threat, it's a fact.

I'm among the people who will leave if you drive away competent narrators, I refuse to curate unoriginal 'color of the day'  posts. I downvote the posts deserving it, of course; but you think people will be happy like that? You think that will harden our resolve to make quality content? No, it'll tire us out.

Losing authors (who live out of blogging) > losing quality > losing manpower against meaningless posts. People will give up and leave, no one wish to fight a lose fight; there will be resilient people, but how many? And even if you amend in the future, how long will it take for you to regain people's trust?

Can you make up for this? Can you double the number of people who came here following these author's content? Surely, you MUST have thought a countermeasure for this scenario, given that you didn't even consult with your users beforehand. Given that you're ignoring your community's wishes.

I would like to add my own two cents worth on this topic. I have reached the point where I will deliberately post new original material here in my Publication Organic Gnosticism and on my blog at the same time and list my blog as being previously published to not get in trouble. It is more important to me that I post in both places than getting paid a few pennies for it! I've had my blog for over fifteen years and have many more readers than I have here. Ultimately my loyalty lies with them...

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