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Service: Narrative

8 posts, all very similar, by the same individual, no avatar, nickname "unknown", no photos, all within a 1 minute time frame, on the Discover page. How can you be proud of this? This is absolutely unacceptable, and you leave it up to your users to spend their valuable time to clean it up. It is freaking shameful.

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Antimetica posted:

The hedgehog tagged 18+ put me over the edge.

I did go downvote all those in your screenshot, too.

I downvoted that one too...after a few, I just stopped.

There have also been a spasm of non-english based posts, which I started down-voting, but have stopped because there are just so many spam posts today, it is overwhelming.  

It would be nice if someone on the team would tell us whether they are looking in to this or advise us in some way. 

@Ted @MOLLY O - Thanks in advance.

And then there's the guy who's copying articles directly from Wikipedia (and other sites), and not even bothering to clean up the html:

https://www.narrative.org/post...the-rise-in-rajshahi

I've downvoted for the last time.  Reported for the last time.  The tide of garbage is just too big to fight.

The community forum is filled with lengthly discussions among members who clearly care about the platform, and it makes no differences, because nothing changes.

We all had high hopes for Narrative, but if the team doesn't care, we are wasting our time trying to save it.

NRVE is down 38% today.  

 

Robert Nicholson posted:

 

We all had high hopes for Narrative, but if the team doesn't care, we are wasting our time trying to save it.

NRVE is down 38% today.  

 

Yes, and now I'm wondering if it wouldn't be best if we all cashed out completely. I was considering purchasing a publication. Now I'm having second thoughts. Every month, the value of my NRVE goes lower. And I'm pretty sure it's due to two related phenomena:

1) Spam, plagiarism, and low-quality content has taken over the platform. It's no longer an annoyance. It has become the norm. It's the main the event.

2) What little NRVE these bad actors can pull in for themselves each month is immediately cashed out with no regard for the benefit of the platform. And because the bad actors are winning, the higher quality content producers are cashing out their NRVE, and the regular Joes in second- and third-world countries are cashing out for living expenses. 

The discussion is no longer about quality. It's about survival. Survival of the platform. Whoever doesn't cash out is losing money hoping the platform gets better next month. The only logical course of action is to cash out so that the few dollars we do earn doesn't end up in the scrap heap with no-effort posts.

I've been posting on several other sites.  Trybe in particular doesn't seem to have the trash content problem Narrative has.  And guess what?  They actually have RULES!

"Do not SPAM, create more than one account, or try to cheat the system or your account will be suspended. We keep a constant eye on new account creation and on voting rings - so please don't engage in any suspicious behaviour."

They also have a minimum post length, and they check for plagiarism.

So you can actual use that platform, instead of wasting your time fighting a losing battle to clean up the site. 

https://www.narrative.org/post...s-to-narrative-trybe

Trybe is an awful name, though.  It doesn't sound like a Medium killer to me.  Just like Publish0x or however that's spelled, and it supposedly has rules and standards, too. And it's an EOS dog, which talk about long memories if you guys wanna be mad about your 18 months of dealing with Narrative BS just think of the years of Steemit devs that failed that platform and went to do EOS chasing the golden carrot.  Obviously I'm biased and hold a grudge about how EOS was born.

I would be mad at the Narrative team the same as you guys had I been at them this long, 18 months is a long time to put up with this crap.  I've only been here a few months, so I'm a fresh horse, ready to run.  I've got a few more months before I get as fed up as you.  

The spam stuff doesn't bother me that bad right now, but I know it will if we're expected to do the cleanup like this for the long run, like y'all have been doing.  I do think a saving grace about the platform is by default only shows quality to newbies, so hopefully they don't see that poop in the Recent, unless they manually select the show all filter.  I hope that's the case anyway, because it would be embarrassing otherwise.

Robert's suggestion about incorporating a 3rd party spam checker is really important, if the staff can't deal with it because they're doing other things, let's plugin a plugin for now to slap a band aid on it till it can be fixed.

 

 

 

@Antimetica - The reasons I've given up on Narrative are three-fold:

(1) Many of the problems could easily have been anticipated.  The team love to write grand manifestos, but seems completely blind to the real-world issues of running a site

(2) Members have been complaining about these and other issues almost from day one, and have discussed and proposed many solutions, and the team has ignored us

(3) The team seems to be unwaveringly committed to a "grand idea" - the company owns the platform, and the members manage the content, and that line will never be crossed.

As far at the cryto platform, I frankly don't care.  It does NOTHING for the site.  Give me a site that works well, and I don't care how it's built. 

And God save us all from people who write "manifestos." 

NEO is very important to the platform.  It has privacy features, the others do not.  Of course we don't know how its used, and I agree it's frustrating not to be informed.  To me it is a big part of the value proposition of Narrative, and the Team could do better talking about it.  The NeoNewsToday podcast was a nice boost in that regard, and thank you @Rosemary for doing that.

I've been skeptical about Narrative since I first joined.  I'm jaded for different reasons, after personally leading a project and going through the VC pitching process  (twice) here in SV.  I'm keenly aware new projects need to prove themselves to investors, and the key metric is increasing membership, aka 'traction.'  We;ve been pressured by staff to recruit.  Not in a bad way, but I can certainly see this is following in what I know from experience.

So for a while I've been wondering:

Are we just Lorem Ipsum to you, Narrative Company?

You know, like when you install a fresh CMS and it has all the filler content so you have something to work with?

I'd like to think not.  But then I look at the Board of Advisors and see there's a guy from Ancestry.com on there.  And knowing what I know about NEO and privacy, and then my imagination wanders to thinking about what I know about Utah, Geneaology, and the Mormon's mission to document every human, and how NEO has these privacy features, and it's blockchain, and wow wouldn't that be useful to a huge company like Ancestry?  I know, I know.  Silly, me and my theories.

It's like putting together puzzle pieces, trying to figure out just what part I play in this content platform - or any, for that matter.

Then since I'm rambling, I go back to Rosemary and her podcast and I could hear it in her voice her faith in Ted.  Because of her, I began to have faith in Ted.  Then I thought, why isn't Ted doing something, if he loves this so much and this is his vision?

I reached down deep, digging  for empathy, to put myself in his shoes.

I'm probably totally wrong.  This is just how I feel, because I'm annoyingly feely, and I've spent time in my almost 50 years trying to wrestle myself.

Maybe being told what to do, by others, really gets on his nerves.  I mean I really hate that, myself.  But the core of why I hate it is because:

I was thinking about doing the thing, anyway, and it really pisses me off when someone says to me, for instance, "You know, you wouldn't have graduated college if we hadn't of paid for it or helped you..." or "You wouldn't have cleaned out that mess in your garage, had I not nagged you."

If it weren't for me, you wouldn't have achieved the thing.

It's like robbing someone of their will, their agency, to claim their achievement.  Especially if you would have arrived there on your own volition.  

Maybe this whole process of the community suggesting, and in many cases, demanding, is so off putting it could have the opposite effect - and the staff could just dig in their heels and not do something because of the sheer fact the way these requests and demand are presented are wrong.

Why must people feel this driving need to claim something was their idea, that they are in charge?  To mark their territorial scent upon things, and then fight about it?

NAH.

I'm sure @Ted is above these kind of feelings.  

It's a communication puzzle we need to figure out.  How to word requests so that they are truly considered.  @David Dreezer has already begun to shepherd us a little, providing hints, about how to solve the puzzle.

Listen.  Respect. Figure out the paths.  Intriguing.

Sorry, too much coffee today.

 

@Antimetica There's someone from Ancestry.com on the board, and they haven't posted in my Genealogy niche? 🤨 

But I get your privacy concerns. If it's any consolation to you, Mormon records aren't exactly the most accurate. Their Millennium File is one of the least reliable "sources" for family history research on Ancestry. 

@Robert Nicholson, I may have to give Trybe another go. I was in early and did some posting, but they only wanted people posting about crypto and I'd said about as much as I could say on it so I focused on Narrative instead. Another thing about Trybe is they were unstable for a while. They got hacked, and the interface was somewhat clunky. Built on WordPress, which is a plus, but that's likely why they got hacked. I'm sure they've progressed since then. 

Christina Gleason posted:

@Antimetica There's someone from Ancestry.com on the board, and they haven't posted in my Genealogy niche? 🤨 

But I get your privacy concerns. If it's any consolation to you, Mormon records aren't exactly the most accurate. Their Millennium File is one of the least reliable "sources" for family history research on Ancestry. 

LOL Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean they are interested in any scant genealogy information here, but in the data technology possibilities of the NEO blockchain (i.e. the software)  There's some very important data businesses coming out of Utah, like Omniture, that I can think of off the top of my head.  Not saying that's anything to do with Mormons, sorry I got a bit carried away with my theories.  I suppose, a little drama, sorry for the spice.  Maybe I should channel this in some fiction writing.

 

 

Antimetica posted:
Christina Gleason posted:

@Antimetica There's someone from Ancestry.com on the board, and they haven't posted in my Genealogy niche? 🤨 

But I get your privacy concerns. If it's any consolation to you, Mormon records aren't exactly the most accurate. Their Millennium File is one of the least reliable "sources" for family history research on Ancestry. 

LOL Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean they are interested in any scant genealogy information here, but in the data technology possibilities of the NEO blockchain (i.e. the software)  There's some very important data businesses coming out of Utah, like Omniture, that I can think of off the top of my head.  Not saying that's anything to do with Mormons, sorry I got a bit carried away with my theories.  I suppose, a little drama, sorry for the spice.  Maybe I should channel this in some fiction writing.

I knew what you were getting at, I was just trying to make a little joke. Ancestry's gotten hundreds of dollars from me over the years, and anyone interested in researching their family trees from the USA eventually has to make a decision about how trustworthy certain sources are. In /r/genealogy, it's mostly Ancestry.com's own sources serious family researchers ignore. Because of this side conversation, I'm now thinking of the possibilities for genealogy on the blockchain, and I hope that board member is considering them, too.

@Teddy, it's unfortunate that your sentence was so long. You'd be well within your rights to go somewhere else. But I doubt that these spammers and plagiarists will get anything in the way of punishment because Narrative staff doesn't seem interested. The platform is set up for their success, not ours.

I understand. We can´t change them, they will try in other places too. I am confident, that Narative works hard to solve some isues. So I don´t loose my confidence. I try to support how I can ... from the distance. It is really hard to "survive" so long (since April - Nov) Thank you, Ted

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