According to the updated Narrative Alpha, the roadmap suggests that those that will not hand over their identity to this blogging platform, will not only be penalized 20%, but they will be unable to access "adult" content. This is laughable.

Will the developers please clarify for everyone what is meant by "adult." Who gets to decide what is "adult"? Is my Niche, Pakistan, adult content? Is my Niche, Canadian Politics, adult material? Is saying the word 'fuck' adult material? Is a picture of animals mating "adult"?

Please provide the detailed explanation to the community of what will be considered "adult." Is it politics? Is it bathing suits? Is it curse words?

Not only is this a horrible business decision for onboarding potential users, but it's an affront to our human rights to secure our identities online from private social media companies like yourself.

I will be reaching out to a few organizations closer to the launch of Narrative to let them know and to write articles on this violation, as well as aggressively using other channels to warn the bloggers to avoid handing over their identities to a private social media company called Narrative.

This is a ridiculous and inappropriate proposition, and I will not send my ID to blog about politics or any other topic. I will guarantee you that there's a large % of people that will stand by my position.

No matter which way the Narrative developers try to frame this, it's completely ridiculous for a privately-owned, for-profit, blogging company to ask for your personal ID FOR ANYTHING. Period.

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Hi Michael

You feel strongly about this, and you have done a good job of conveying that.

From what I have read so far, Narrative isn't interested in retaining the KYC information: they want as many accounts as possible to belong to real people.  So they need to incentivise people to prove they are real.

That can be accomplished by receiving KYC info, switching on a single bit associated to your profile, that signifies you have completed KYC, and then erasing all KYC data.

This could also conceivably be accomplished through a third party if that makes you more comfortable, and if Narrative enables this at some point: that would mean the platform would not merely delete your identifying data after flagging you as a real person: they would never receive it.

I'm curious whether these considerations change anything for your outlook.

Personally, I think I am comfortable with this.

Lastly, I don't think it is fair to say those who don't do KYC are penalized.  They make a choice - if they don't want to KYC, no problem.  But then the network cannot be sure they are not a bot, or someone with multiple accounts, so it must adjust that account's reputation accordingly.  If you have a better solution for how the reputation system can solve this issue, I'm sure the Narrative team will be open to considering it.

 

I don't know what I'll do in regard to KYC at this point. I'm usually pretty careful with my personal data online. I even prefer using web shops that allow you to checkout without creating an account. So I guess I'd prefer not to do KYC for Narrative, but might consider an exception if the handling and processing of data is explained thoroughly beforehand.

And although I'm not interested in 'adult' content in the broader meaning, I don't really understand why an unverified 18+ user wouldn't be able to access it. In any case, Narrative will really want to use top-of-the-line protection against bots besides the whole KYC stuff.

Michael posted:

According to the updated Narrative Alpha, the roadmap suggests that those that will not hand over their identity to this blogging platform, will not only be penalized 20%, but they will be unable to access "adult" content. This is laughable.

Will the developers please clarify for everyone what is meant by "adult." Who gets to decide what is "adult"? Is my Niche, Pakistan, adult content? Is my Niche, Canadian Politics, adult material? Is saying the word 'fuck' adult material? Is a picture of animals mating "adult"?

Please provide the detailed explanation to the community of what will be considered "adult." Is it politics? Is it bathing suits? Is it curse words?

Not only is this a horrible business decision for onboarding potential users, but it's an affront to our human rights to secure our identities online from private social media companies like yourself.

I will be reaching out to a few organizations closer to the launch of Narrative to let them know and to write articles on this violation, as well as aggressively using other channels to warn the bloggers to avoid handing over their identities to a private social media company called Narrative.

This is a ridiculous and inappropriate proposition, and I will not send my ID to blog about politics or any other topic. I will guarantee you that there's a large % of people that will stand by my position.

No matter which way the Narrative developers try to frame this, it's completely ridiculous for a privately-owned, for-profit, blogging company to ask for your personal ID FOR ANYTHING. Period.

Hi Michael,

Thanks for sharing your feedback and inviting us to weigh in… Narrative is an intricate system that, by design, will address many of the issues plaguing Big Social and other projects today (bots, content manipulation, poor quality content, child protection issues, etc.) For it to “work,” the community must be engaged, and the right mechanisms and incentives must be built in.

One of those mechanisms will be the optional KYC process. Those members who opt (read: optional) to go through KYC will be eligible for an additional 20 reputation points and will also be able to see content that has been rated “R” by the content creator, or by the community of Narrators at large.

Important to note: you can maintain your public-facing anonymous digital identity and still earn the KYC verified designation and benefits by completing the process.

Regarding identity protection, data will only be used to the extent necessary to verify identity, after which the data will be destroyed, with two exceptions—birth month and year (so we can verify age) and countryboth of which will only be used by the system and not displayed to any members.  

To answer your question about what “R” means, Narrative Company will not be making any content decisions. This will entirely rest on the community.

Here’s how it will work:

Because Narrative is an open, self-governing system, and because all content is public, it is important that tools are in place to protect children from inappropriate content. Content that is inappropriate for children under age 18 should be designated as Restricted ("R").

The content creator is responsible for properly rating content initially. (And the creator may edit the content rating as part of the content edit function, as well.)

However, once published, members may vote on the rating. Once at least 5 Reputation Positive members have rated the content, the community rating will trump the content creator’s rating, but only if the community rating is more restrictive than the author’s rating.

Members may also restrict their own access to content by age-rating, as well, via a personal setting. For instance, someone who wants to avoid R-rated content can prevent all R-rated niches and content from being displayed to them.

Important: R-rated content will never be displayed for anyone who has not been KYC-verified. This ensures that children are never exposed to adult-oriented content.

I hope that addresses your question, happy to clarify further.

You know, there is another NEO project, Bridge Protocol, which I believe is aiming to provide just this type of data protecting while doing KYC stuff. That might be worth looking at.

Full disclosure, I do own a teeny tiny small amount of that token. Less than $100 worth for sure. 

 

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