Redundancy, anyone?
Redundancy anyone?

 

As you all probably know - Narrative niches need to be unique, clear, correctly spelled, and to not violate the Terms of Service.

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Original Post

A couple of redundant niches to get us started - help avoid these going to the Tribunal for determination (which chews up energy the @Narrative Network Team could be using to build the platform)!

The Gaming Corner niche is redundant:

https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10182477413128240

The Gaming niche already exists ( https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/gaming  )

The ICON niche is redundant:

https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10323310571542334

The ICON - ICX niche already exists ( https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/icon-icx )

@Malkazoid. Thanks for starting this thread. I have a handful of  potential duplicates identified that have already been approved by the Community and being sent to the Tribunal.  So, the earlier we recognize the duplicates the better.

Also, beyond this thread (which will be very useful), remember to put comments in when voting. I think it really helps.  People can agree or disagree with comments, but they are still helpful and will get voters thinking.  

Ok, so don't hate on me.  I like pandas.

But the Panda niche has a problem.

https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10464048070848469

The description says it is about the Giant Panda, but there are several types of pandas out there.

So either the niche name needs to become Giant Panda, or the description needs to be changed to include all pandas.

As it currently stands, the niche needs to be down voted.

When the beta platform launches, how well presented the niches are will have a very direct impact on how the platform is perceived.  Cleanup has to happen now, before launch.  It goes against my nature to be this anal-retentive about things, but Niches, and the Search functionality that depends on them, will not work properly if we are not precise about these things.

https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10323310573468737

This niche is a mouthful: BITTUBE - MONETIZE YOUR CONTENT & FREDOM OF SPEECH & DECENTRALIZED MEDIA PLATFORM.

Should we perhaps enforce a character limit for niche names, @Narrative Network Team?  The niche should really just be called Bittube, with the rest of the information placed in the description...

For now though, there is a spelling mistake in the current name, so we should vote to disapprove of it in its current state.

Agreed. Besides, 'The Video Vault' already exists, and that's the function this Niche would serve, albeit with a different name.

These spelling mistakes and other simple fixes in names should be able to be changed without having to go through a week of waiting.

Either way, duplicate by function.

Michael posted:

Agreed. Besides, 'The Video Vault' already exists, and that's the function this Niche would serve, albeit with a different name.

These spelling mistakes and other simple fixes in names should be able to be changed without having to go through a week of waiting.

Either way, duplicate by function.

Hello Michael

Bittube appears to be a streaming platform but it is external to Narrative, and so should be allowed to have a niche dedicated to it.

The Video Vault is a Narrative niche that I think hopes to be the home for videos people post to Narrative directly.

I may be wrong, but I think that if the person who proposed Bittube makes a reasonable niche name, devoid of spelling mistakes - it should be acceptable.

Malkazoid posted:
Michael posted:

Agreed. Besides, 'The Video Vault' already exists, and that's the function this Niche would serve, albeit with a different name.

These spelling mistakes and other simple fixes in names should be able to be changed without having to go through a week of waiting.

Either way, duplicate by function.

Hello Michael

Bittube appears to be a streaming platform but it is external to Narrative, and so should be allowed to have a niche dedicated to it.

The Video Vault is a Narrative niche that I think hopes to be the home for videos people post to Narrative directly.

I may be wrong, but I think that if the person who proposed Bittube makes a reasonable niche name, devoid of spelling mistakes - it should be acceptable.

If it's an external website or platform, that's called a link.

I'll have to let @Ted or @MOLLY O respond to this one, because if Narrative wanted external links, they'd probably just use Google.

If we don't know what it is, needless to say, it will need to be specified.

Malkazoid posted:
Michael posted:

Agreed. Besides, 'The Video Vault' already exists, and that's the function this Niche would serve, albeit with a different name.

These spelling mistakes and other simple fixes in names should be able to be changed without having to go through a week of waiting.

Either way, duplicate by function.

Hello Michael

Bittube appears to be a streaming platform but it is external to Narrative, and so should be allowed to have a niche dedicated to it.

The Video Vault is a Narrative niche that I think hopes to be the home for videos people post to Narrative directly.

I may be wrong, but I think that if the person who proposed Bittube makes a reasonable niche name, devoid of spelling mistakes - it should be acceptable.

Agree with you @Malkazoid. I voted down for misspelling. @Michael This would be a valid niche assuming it is not just a link. Assuming this niche is to be about posting content related to that platform.

I'm not sure what the difference between "Shopping" and "Shopping Haul" would be.

Shopping: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/shopping

Shopping Haul: https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10041739938077770

 

Hard to say, but if niches are very similar like this, their owners might end up fighting later on as to who has the valid space, it also might end up confusing members as to which niche to post in.

Technically, they're different, but really they're not. My thought is, why have a niche for both fishing, and fishing haul? Is one JUST dedicated to everything about fishing, while the other is dedicated to JUST showing pictures of what a person caught while fishing?

Does the owner of Shopping Haul promise not to post anything later on about Shopping. hahaha

It really depends on the precision of language, and if Niche owners intend to stick to that narrow niche, or if they'll eventually 'niche creep' into other areas.

MOLLY O posted:
Malkazoid posted:
Michael posted:

Agreed. Besides, 'The Video Vault' already exists, and that's the function this Niche would serve, albeit with a different name.

These spelling mistakes and other simple fixes in names should be able to be changed without having to go through a week of waiting.

Either way, duplicate by function.

Hello Michael

Bittube appears to be a streaming platform but it is external to Narrative, and so should be allowed to have a niche dedicated to it.

The Video Vault is a Narrative niche that I think hopes to be the home for videos people post to Narrative directly.

I may be wrong, but I think that if the person who proposed Bittube makes a reasonable niche name, devoid of spelling mistakes - it should be acceptable.

Agree with you @Malkazoid. I voted down for misspelling. @Michael This would be a valid niche assuming it is not just a link. Assuming this niche is to be about posting content related to that platform.

Okay, cool.

It looks as though it's a Youtube replica. Users can broadcast as well as just upload videos.

https://bit.tube

Michael posted:

I'm not sure what the difference between "Shopping" and "Shopping Haul" would be.

Shopping: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/shopping

Shopping Haul: https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10041739938077770

 

Hard to say, but if niches are very similar like this, their owners might end up fighting later on as to who has the valid space, it also might end up confusing members as to which niche to post in.

Technically, they're different, but really they're not. My thought is, why have a niche for both fishing, and fishing haul? Is one JUST dedicated to everything about fishing, while the other is dedicated to JUST showing pictures of what a person caught while fishing?

Does the owner of Shopping Haul promise not to post anything later on about Shopping. hahaha

It really depends on the precision of language, and if Niche owners intend to stick to that narrow niche, or if they'll eventually 'niche creep' into other areas.

Yeah @Michael, I don't know what the endgame regarding similar Niches is. It seems even the Tribunal doesn't care too much if Narrators have to 'duke it out' for content. I know I'm preparing for a 'fight' with at least one of my Niches 

Michael posted:

I'm not sure what the difference between "Shopping" and "Shopping Haul" would be.

Shopping: https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/shopping

Shopping Haul: https://alpha.narrative.org/ballot/10041739938077770

 

Hard to say, but if niches are very similar like this, their owners might end up fighting later on as to who has the valid space, it also might end up confusing members as to which niche to post in.

Technically, they're different, but really they're not. My thought is, why have a niche for both fishing, and fishing haul? Is one JUST dedicated to everything about fishing, while the other is dedicated to JUST showing pictures of what a person caught while fishing?

Does the owner of Shopping Haul promise not to post anything later on about Shopping. hahaha

It really depends on the precision of language, and if Niche owners intend to stick to that narrow niche, or if they'll eventually 'niche creep' into other areas.

Good questions!

Niche creep may well be a thing, and it is difficult to predict how many resources will need to be devoted to keeping it in check.

Before reading the full length of your post, I was of a mind that the niches are both valid and can coexist, because I saw the distinction that you mention: that Shopping seems to be all about shopping, and Shopping Haul seems to be specifically about sharing what got bought on the last shopping trip.  (Neither are very interesting to me so I have to make an effort to project myself into this space to begin with).

Once I read your post to the end, I still felt, and feel the niches are sufficiently different, given that distinction evidenced in the descriptions.  But I am concerned about niche creep.  No doubt this will be an on-going discussion after launch, and we may need to adjust policy if it becomes a significant problem.  For now though, my recommendation would be for the @Narrative Network Team to try to message clearly that niches must abide by their descriptions, so the moderators understand that a great article on how to determine what drone to buy, for instance, should not be accepted for publication on the Shopping Haul niche.

I see a different problem with the Shopping niche though.

The description says it is all about ONLINE shopping, but the niche name is more general.  Online shopping may one day be the only form of shopping (scary thought), but that day has not come yet and until it does, that niche should be considered unclear, and invalid.

I'll post about it separately so it can be addressed as a separate issue.

- EDIT

Ok - I see now the Shopping niche was approved already.  I've put in an appeal to the Tribunal.

Michael posted:

Talent acquisition phrase is used in two Niches.

As someone that hires others on Upwork on a contract-basis, these two terms are interchangeable.

Any thoughts?

talent acquisition

Yes - I agree they are interchangeable.  Worse still: there was a recruiting niche approved before either of these cropped up.

https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/recruiting

 So please downvote the Talent Acquisition niche if you agree they are redundant.

https://alpha.narrative.org/niche/talent-acquisition

Technically, the Recruitment Process Outsourcing niche could be considered unique because the niche name makes clear its focus is specific to outsourced recruitment - that's my take.

@Micheal - things will be easier with the beta launch. The matching will be better, etc.  For now, if you notice something , please keep posting here and also in the comments as you vote.  We appreciate your time and effort. All of these actions in alpha are helping with beta. 

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